Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Kharral]

Kunni? If it means what I think it means, it means fagg*t?

Nope you are confusing the Persian word for the Punjabi word. Different meanings altogether.

 

[vmro]

Never believe that that the Army Chief is the sole decision maker when it comes to strategic interests of Pakistani establishment. If Pakistan does give in to the GCC/UK>US>Zionist entity’s demands then it wouldn’t be a single guy’s decision.
It ll be the establishment’s decision.

Establishment itself single entity that is training own members to be part of elite...problem here is that there is no way out of this circle...they deeply attuned, deeply corrupted, deeply involved in various immoral and bizarre acts, so that brotherhood is devoted to keep it in private no matter how....every general there has been through mad night partying that are shameful and painful now, and various secret services are good to keep the memories in good material shape...

It's not just about money, many of them are pretty modest people in their lives...but power and control is different type of beast...

 

[ShapurII]

Turkey & Pakistan are the only relevant powers here. Pakistan must carry on with its policy of working in silence, doing what needs doing & not look for taking credit or being loud mouths. This attitude has served us well & long may it continue.

Leave the verbal part to Turkey & at best give out a joint statement.

To be fair, there isn't much Turkey or Pakistan can do, even if they're willing to do something for Iran and I highly doubt that.

First of all, Turkey is in NATO. So, it is absolutely unlikely for them to go against the US or Israel. As for Pakistan, Pakistan has become closer to the US after the overthrow of Imran Khan. The country considers itself a close ally of Saudi Arabia, even though it has reduced this alliance in the last years. On the other hand, while the alliance with Saudi Arabia has become weaker, Pakistan has found itself to be much more aligned with Turkey and Azerbaijan. Both countries have official ties with Israel. So, nope.

Secondly, Iran could very well be placed under Article 42 of Chapter VII of the UN charter. In that case, not only Turkey and Pakistan won't be able to support Iran, but even if they want to support Iran, they should still cooperate with the UN-approved coalition that will attack Iranian targets to "restore global peace". It is right there in the UN charter.

 

[Sultan Baybars]

Turkey & Pakistan are the only relevant powers here. Pakistan must carry on with its policy of working in silence, doing what needs doing & not look for taking credit or being loud mouths. This attitude has served us well & long may it continue.

Leave the verbal part to Turkey & at best give out a joint statement.

Erdogan may close alle US airbases in Turkey and declare a no-fly zone above the country, like they did in 2003 when the US attacked Iraq.

Turkey has better relations now with Iran than back in those days with Iraq. It would be a logical step.

 

[Kharral]

Establishment itself single entity that is training own members to be part of elite...problem here is that there is no way out of this circle...they deeply attuned, deeply corrupted, deeply involved in various immoral and bizarre acts, so that brotherhood is devoted to keep it in private no matter how....every general there has been through mad night partying that are shameful and painful now, and various secret services are good to keep the memories in good material shape...

It's not just about money, many of them are pretty modest people in their lives...but power and control is different type of beast...

You want saints to run your affairs & look after your strategic interests ?

 

[tsunset]

Will the US allow sales of awacs and fighter jets to Iran if a deal is reached?

 

[Kharral]

To be fair, there isn't much Turkey or Pakistan can do, even if they're willing to do something for Iran and I highly doubt that.

First of all, Turkey is in NATO. So, it is absolutely unlikely for them to go against the US or Israel. As for Pakistan, Pakistan has become closer to the US after the overthrow of Imran Khan. The country considers itself a close ally of Saudi Arabia, even though it has reduced this alliance in the last years. On the other hand, while the alliance with Saudi Arabia has become weaker, Pakistan has found itself to be much more aligned with Turkey and Azerbaijan. Both countries have official ties with Israel. So, nope.

Secondly, Iran could very well be placed under Article 42 of Chapter VII of the UN charter. In that case, not only Turkey and Pakistan won't be able to support Iran, but even if they want to support Iran, they should still cooperate with the UN-approved coalition that will attack Iranian targets to "restore global peace". It is right there in the UN charter.

You couldn’t be more wrong. I hope & pray for Iran’s sake that the people in charge of Iran don’t think the same way.

There’s a lot that Pakistan & Turkey can do & probably will do for their own selfish interests if not in the larger interests of the region itself.

Geo Politics & Geo Strategy isn’t limited to a single event, a single day or month or year. Even if there’s an invasion of Iran ( which is extremely unlikely if not impossible ) Pakistan & Turkey will be doing a hell lot of a lot to undermine & defeat any power that may choose to carry out such a folly.

Even if there’s an attack or an Invasion of Iran, rest assured Iran is not going anywhere.

Relax & stay firm.

 

[ShapurII]

You couldn’t be more wrong. I hope & pray for Iran’s sake that the people in charge of Iran don’t think the same way.

There’s a lot that Pakistan & Turkey can do & probably will do for their own selfish interests if not in the larger interests of the region itself.

Geo Politics & Geo Strategy isn’t limited to a single event, a single day or month or year. Even if there’s an invasion of Iran ( which is extremely unlikely if not impossible ) Pakistan & Turkey will be doing a hell lot of a lot to undermine & defeat any power that may choose to carry out such a folly.

Even if there’s an attack or an Invasion of Iran, rest assured Iran is not going anywhere.

Relax & stay firm.

I personally do not think a ground invasion of Iran is on the agenda. At least not any time soon. Maybe a few years later, if the regime does not get their shit together.

I think the worst case scenario, and possibly the most likely scenario, is that they will attack Iranian nuclear sites with limited success and call it a day, exaggerate it in the media to make it look like the problem has been resolved.
They will destroy uranium mining infrastructure, centrifuge assembly and supply chains, all tunnels and routes to underground facilities. They will destroy some accessible parts of Natanz with success.
However, I think the main chambers of enrichment at both Natanz and Fordow will survive the attacks.

If Iran decides to respond to these attacks, they will then go for our critical energy infrastructure like oil and gas terminals, power plants, etc.

I highly doubt it would ever get to the point of a ground invasion, which is highly costly and completely unpredictable. The US may very well lose this war in that scenario. The US can easily win a series of aerial campaigns against our nuclear sites, but is likely to lose a ground invasion of Iran with trillions of dollars wasted.

However, I don't see why Turkey or Pakistan has any interests in defending Iran whatsoever.

 

[vmro]

You want saints to run your affairs & look after your strategic interests ?

That is politics. the lowest point is nonexistent... Trump, deeply into high-level establishment for generations before him, is now rebranded in anti-establishment, almost martyred hero... and it works. That's the crazy thing...



I think that Bibi would forgive every single data from leaked material... But for his private spying of his political opponents, and spying on his own privacy and his insane family, alcoholic wife, and mental disorders among close family members, he is mad dog now...

Americans have to find out how to prevent monstrous politicians to make unforseen consequences for lack of common sense... I am really worried that the wounded beast is the most dangerous one...

 

[newb3e]

Never believe that that the Army Chief is the sole decision maker when it comes to strategic interests of Pakistani establishment. If Pakistan does give in to the GCC/UK>US>Zionist entity’s demands then it wouldn’t be a single guy’s decision.
It ll be the establishment’s decision.

the whole system is desperately looking for backers supporters they will burn the region to stay in power!

 

[Watandar]

Nope you are confusing the Persian word for the Punjabi word. Different meanings altogether.

In Pashto it has same meaning Can you translate what you wrote there to English ? Did you mean establishment is very devious, perfidous ?

 

[vmro]

I personally do not think a ground invasion of Iran is on the agenda. At least not any time soon. Maybe a few years later, if the regime does not get their shit together.

I think the worst case scenario, and possibly the most likely scenario, is that they will attack Iranian nuclear sites with limited success and call it a day, exaggerate it in the media to make it look like the problem has been resolved.
They will destroy uranium mining infrastructure, centrifuge assembly and supply chains, all tunnels and routes to underground facilities. They will destroy some accessible parts of Natanz with success.
However, I think the main chambers of enrichment at both Natanz and Fordow will survive the attacks.

If Iran decides to respond to these attacks, they will then go for our critical energy infrastructure like oil and gas terminals, power plants, etc.

I highly doubt it would ever get to the point of a ground invasion, which is highly costly and completely unpredictable. The US may very well lose this war in that scenario. The US can easily win a series of aerial campaigns against our nuclear sites, but is likely to lose a ground invasion of Iran with trillions of dollars wasted.

However, I don't see why Turkey or Pakistan has any interests in defending Iran whatsoever.

At least Turkey and Iran should keep eternal pact of non-aggression, one of really few functional cases globally between two inherently rivals turned to acceptable neighbors, for centuries avoiding serious conflicts...

Such conflict would be delirium for all of the friends, enemies, allies...everyone would enjoy seeing them decimate each other...

For Pakistan, I think is even harder to believe in possibility of bigger conflict... Conflicts are possible in Baluchistan, but that's the different story...

 

[tsunset]

 

[ShapurII]

At least Turkey and Iran should keep eternal pact of non-aggression, one of really few functional cases globally between two inherently rivals turned to acceptable neighbors, for centuries avoiding serious conflicts...

Such conflict would be delirium for all of the friends, enemies, allies...everyone would enjoy seeing them decimate each other...

For Pakistan, I think is even harder to believe in possibility of bigger conflict... Conflicts are possible in Baluchistan, but that's the different story...

It is unusual for the Middle East and Asia Minor but Europe is full of such cases.
France and Britain, Italy and Austria, Poland and Germany, etc.

Iran needs a new defense strategy. Reliance on ballistic missiles as the sole deterrent has been proven to be insufficient for defending Iran against the US and Israel. Being a nuclear threshold state has proven to be extremely costly with nearly no return. And our investment in the Axis of Resistance has been the same. Too costly with low return. We need a new strategy, which is possible only if younger people enter the top leadership.

 

[vmro]

It is unusual for the Middle East and Asia Minor, but Europe is full of such cases.
France and Britain, Italy and Austria, Poland and Germany, etc.

Iran needs a new defense strategy. Reliance on ballistic missiles as the sole deterrent has been proven to be insufficient for defending Iran against the US and Israel. Being a nuclear threshold state has proven to be extremely costly with nearly no return. And our investment in the Axis of Resistance has been the same. It's too costly with low return. We need a new strategy, which is possible only if younger people enter the top leadership.

Yes, but Europe is a bad example. From supreme global overlords, they decimated each other, degrading itself in the process of practically second rate factor... with impossible chances of renewal, they will be majority Islamic populated in some way or another, but if Islam itself survives the poisonous corruption and attraction of fatal immorality of the west...

So no, Europeans are not comparable, Iran and Turkey are still unique in that way....and I hope they will stay on that path for the centuries ahead of us...