Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Tijani]

What Iran needs to achieve before calling it over:

1.)Some of Israeli critical infrastructure destroyed

2.) 100+ Israeli's killed

3.) Widespread destruction in Tel Aviv

4.) Put Israeli home front under intense pressure

5.) Hit Dimona facility

^^

This will actually lead to deterrence. Risk of escalation doesn't matter after all red lines were crossed.

Not enough! The zionist West needs to surrender and leave!

 

[hussain0216]

We're not talking about your generals now.

Buddy the Pahlavi regime were trained dogs for the Americans and west, spreading some sort of weird ideology

 

[r3alist]

So they are neutral in their stance

No, that's not how the concept of neutrality works


They have distanced themselves away from the SCO consensus position, that's not neutrality that's a position

If there was a war let's say between Chile and Ecuador, sure I could understand how neutrality might work there


Can you also be neutral about a crime against humanity?











Shouldn't allow India to claim neutrality

 

[Mighty_Dragon_Strike]

I don't want to toot my own horns, but many years ago on this site I had some conversations with Iranian members, I told them their airforce should conduct exercises with friendly countries such as Pakistan or even China to understand modern air combat. I told them they're seriously lacking in avionics and EW.

Our Iranian friends argued with me, saying everything is ok, Iran can manufacture modern avionics and missiles themselves and their F-14 is the best.....

After 2020 Soleimani assassination, I came here and said Iran needs to obtain nuclear weapons asap. Our Iranian friends told me Iran does not need nuclear weapons because US is divesting from ME....

Somehow I don't think their problems is solely with their incompetent leaders

"Trust me, it's the same issue with the Pakistani mindset! There is no real desire to deeply reflect on past mistakes; instead, people just keep talking endlessly, all day.


To gauge just how dire the situation is, observe how the nation seeks entertainment—through weddings, celebrations, food, and gatherings. Ours are ghastly ostentatious!"


People who are keen to think of criticality and dependency are ridiculed, as if it is moral and islamic obligation to ridicule them!


thats the truth, like it or lump it!!!!!!! shrugs!

 

[Sarhang]

40% now

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He won't go anywhere. Israel loves him.

 

[ShapurII]

How would AF be useful in this situation?

You've got IDF F-15's launching aero-ballistic missiles from 250/ 300 miles away over Iraq/ Syria which have ballistic trajectories and then a vert dive near target and then turning home.

How do you intend to intercept these aero-ballistic missiles or FTM go up against USAF aircraft operating out of NE Syria Al-Omar or the Al-Assad bases?

Please explain?

I don't have time for this now, but we could've intercepted Israeli F-15s and F-16s over Iraq and establish a buffer zone over Iraq.

The US wouldn't get directly involved in the war due to low public support at home, but if it did, we would've had a legitimate reason to target the US navy and their assets in the region, forcing them to back off.

And 400 jet fighters would deliver more destruction than 150,000 missiles.

 

[mangekyo]

A military coup right now would probably have decent support. even some conservatives may support it

Whos going to lead the coup though? The only candidate we had is dead

 

[Fasbre2]

Crazy that the IR thought that it was a good idea to give visa-free travel to these street shitters

Street shitters’ …. Love that….

 

[Hassan Al-Somal]

 

[ShapurII]

Buddy the Pahlavi regime were trained dogs for the Americans and west, spreading some sort of weird ideology

Buddy, you're digressing. They had the strongest military in the region by far, period.

 

[NationalistPKDude132]

No, that's not how the concept of neutrality works


They have distanced themselves away from the SCO consensus position, that's not neutrality that's a position

If there was a war let's say between Chile and Ecuador, sure I could understand how neutrality might work there


Can you also be neutral about a crime against humanity?











Shouldn't allow India to claim neutrality

True this is a disgusting stance but im specifically talking about Israel-Iran not Israel-Gaza

 

[PakAl]

next generation will be Iranian nationalists want Iran to have nuclear weapons and strong air force (like me)

Israel will want Iran to be weak like Syria in this scenario since it wants all its neighbours to be weak even if they don't pose a threat

so the conflict with Israel is not going anywhere unless there is a coup by people who want to abandon nuclear weapons and enter US orbit and join Abraham Accords. which does not seem realistic.

If Iran request Chinese and Russian help, declare a coup by Iranian army, who will declare neutrality and become friendly with usa and Israel aswell as others, get rid of the current regime and IRGC, leave middleeast affairs altogether. Israel Usa will never allow Iran to have nukes or long or medium range missiles. Iranian nationalist need to put Iran first, develop good relations with neighbours, build economy, get rid of sanctions, build airforce, build good relations with the USA GCC Russia and China, slowly build up from this, maintain your freedom but no to nukes or long range missiles. This may save Iran. It's a good move too. The other option is become like Iraq, completely under the control of the Usa and no freedom.

 

[Sam6536]

What do you mean?

This is from the IDF account.

I meant you can't choose specific targets with those. Israel is a smaller nation geographically so it might hits through saturation attacks.

But if you need to take out something specific like a base or something supersonic/hypersonic missiles are way more maneuverable and faster.

Ballistic missiles still work not denying that was just commenting on how they're older tech now.

 

[Mighty_Dragon_Strike]

Whos going to lead the coup though? The only candidate we had is dead

seems that list will be long...

long enough for zionist to make work shorter for every next slave!

 

[tower9]

Yup

This is extremely unwise, Trump is reluctant to involve in a war like this, Iran would be foolish to force his hands.

Trump just want to take a diplomatic win in a Iran nuclear deal for his domestic audience. Once Iran actually detonate a nuke Trump will forget about Iran's existence all of a sudden.

Here in lies the rub, can Iran make a bomb or not? This will define Iran's future

A war with boots on the ground will spell the end of the US empire. The US military pulled out of the war with the Houthis because stocks of critical weaponry and missiles were already running low. With Chinas restrictions on certain rare earth minerals, the military industrial complex will not be able to produce some critical weaponry in large numbers to replenish what is lost. Also the cost of fighting a ground war in a country 1/3rd the size of the continental US and as mountainous as Iran is, will be extremely draining and costly when the US is already barely managing its finances and its debt is spiraling.

Trump doesn’t want to fight Iran for a reason and it’s not because he loves peace. It’s because it would spell the end of the US empire and he knows it.