Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Lulldapull]

Nothing stopping them from shipping advanced radar/EW equipment or AD systems to be operated by Iranians.

And Iran knows their performance no?

So that bit ain’t goin happen.

 

[Hakwa Nadro]

Right now Iran should focus more on their EW capabilities. Spoofing a few bases and military aircraft belonging to the USA might do the trick.

 

[Musings]

So many people on this forum are quick to blame China, Russia, India, etc., but I'm not sure what exactly they were expecting. These countries might offer diplomatic niceties and do business when it's mutually beneficial but they’re not going to throw away their long-term strategic interests to jump into a conflict that isn’t theirs.

Why would they take such a risk when even the so called "Ummah" hasn’t done anything meaningful themselves? Even the much hyped idea of an "Islamic nuke" is little more than a Pakistani deterrent. There's nothing truly Islamic about it, it was never meant for the defence of the wider Muslim world.

To put India in the same sentence as Russia and China - thats where i ended reading your post. Stop being so delusional and sit down.
No ones asking india to do anything

 

[Aggregate]

stop posting this misleading video again and again. Its been debunked this is not Israel.

Yup, that's Georgia. Though things in Israel are not perfect either. Those shelters are pretty tough to love in with hundreds of people huddled in single rooms and yesterday some people also got injured falling down some damaged stairs and at another place due to suffocation and resulting chaos

 

[Developereo]

As Donald Trump deliberates over Iran, he has a MAGA problem​

By North America correspondent Kamin Gock and Emily Clark in Washington DC

2h ago2 hours ago

There is some trouble in the ranks of the MAGA movement. (Reuters/Eduardo Munoz)

As Donald Trump unleashed a series of posts about the Israel-Iran conflict, he used the word "we".

"We now have total and complete control over the skies of Iran," he said.

He was either suggesting the United States and Israel were a "we" or he was saying the US was in control.

Either way, it is likely to anger parts of the MAGA movement who have been reminding him that kind of thinking is not very America first.

Some of the president's longest and most diehard supporters have warned that US involvement in the Israel-Iran conflict could "blow up the coalition" of MAGA supporters.

Since his sudden departure from the G7 and his ominous "everyone should immediately evacuate Tehran!" message, speculation about Trump's next steps has been smouldering.

Vice-President JD Vance issued a statement about how Trump "may need to take further action to end Iranian enrichment" and "people are right to be worried about foreign entanglement" in another entrenched conflict in the Middle East.

"I can assure you that he is only interested in using the American military to accomplish the American people's goals," Vance said in an apparent effort to put out any spot fires among supporters.

But then Donald Trump fanned the flames.

Within the space of an hour he said, "we now have total and complete control over the skies of Iran" and "our patience is wearing thin" and warned when it came to Iranian supreme leader Ayatollah Khamenei: "We are not going to take him out (kill!) — at least for now."

All lines that were stunning because they appeared to communicate the US was already somewhat entangled.

That is not what some parts of MAGA want to hear and despite being a convert to the movement himself, it appears JD Vance is well aware of the cracks starting to appear.

The MAGA diehards​

MAGA is far from a monolithic group, but some of its most high-profile commentators are putting its differences on display for Donald Trump to see.

Steve Bannon, Tucker Carlson, Marjorie Taylor Greene — the gang's all here.

The divide is getting deeper and getting very personal.

As the world waits on Donald Trump's next move, these are some of the possibilities for the Iran-Israel conflict, writes Ben Knight.

Former Fox News host turned podcaster Tucker Carlson and ex-White House chief strategist Steve Bannon are two MAGA heavyweights leading the push to stay out of the Israel-Iran conflict.

"If we get sucked into this war … it's gonna not just blow up the coalition, it's also gonna thwart what we're doing with the most important thing, which is the deportation of the illegal alien invaders that are here," Steve Bannon told Tucker Carlson.

Carlson wrote a newsletter to his subscribers calling the president "complicit in the act of war."

He has called out his former employer, Fox News, saying it is playing a central role in the "propaganda operation" pushing the US ever closer to conflict with Iran.

By vocalising his anti-involvement stance to millions of his followers, Carlson annoyed his commander-in-chief, and as Trump usually does, he opted for a personal and public insult, calling him "kooky Tucker Carlson".

Even more astonishing, fierce Trump ally congresswoman Marjorie Taylor Greene came to Carlson's defence, saying it was "not kooky" to want to stay out of "foreign wars" that "put America last".

Donald Trump was the one to make his supporters the promise of America first, and his administration regularly rolled out the line "promises made, promises kept".

Now, he is telling them America first could actually mean all manner of things.

"America first means many great things, including the fact IRAN CANNOT HAVE A NUCLEAR WEAPON," he said in a Truth Social post.

On the other side of this MAGA fracture line are people like Laura Loomer, who are taking names.

Far-right activist and conspiracy theorist Laura Loomer has urged her nearly 2 million followers on X to "take screenshots of every single right winger who is s**t talking Trump right now".

Loomer has considerable influence within right-wing circles and has been known to regularly advise Mr Trump on issues of loyalty.

The president has said he wants an end to the escalating situation in the Middle East. He has thrown public support behind Israel's unilateral strikes, calling for Iran's "unconditional surrender".

One reason this issue is dividing his base and supporters so viscerally is that Donald Trump campaigned on ending the "forever wars".

He regularly spruiks that no new major conflicts occurred during his first term.

'The wars we never get into'​

Steve Bannon tells his following that ending the "forever wars" is one of three key pillars of the MAGA movement, alongside immigration and trade.

He has called on his supporters to pray Trump can "seek the guidance he needs".

Bannon has attacked what he calls the "deep state's" influence within the White House, claiming the Republican Party does not want to end "forever wars" because of its ties to Wall Street and the defence industry.

Foreign policy has been a sticking point that has divided the right in America for decades, but a conflict with Iran could be one of the most defining and damaging decisions for Donald Trump's legacy among many of his supporters.

This is a man who accused Barack Obama in 2011 of wishing to start a war with Iran.

This is a man who lampooned Joe Biden over the withdrawal of American troops from Afghanistan in 2020.

He said Russia would never have invaded Ukraine had he been in power at the time.

He said he would end that conflict on his first day back in the Oval Office. Russian strikes on Kyiv killed at least 10 people overnight.

Netanyahu's agenda is clear, but Trump wants plausible deniability​

There are many things happening in the Middle East at the moment but beneath them lies one single through-line: Israel is attempting to reshape the political map of the region.

Trump's barrage of posts overnight had a very threatening tone, but as he has spoken about Iran, his comments have ranged from military threats to diplomatic overtures, such is the style of Donald Trump.

He is said to be considering his options. The Wall Street Journal is reporting a US strike on Iran is among them, but so are diplomatic levers.

Trump said on Monday, local time, he might send Middle East envoy Steve Witkoff or Vance to meet Iranian officials.

Trump received rapturous applause on inauguration day in January for his "peace by strength" maxim.

Just five months ago, he told his country: "We will measure our success not only by the battles we win, but also by the wars that we end, and perhaps most importantly, the wars we never get into."

A core group of the MAGA movement — the one that elevated him to the most powerful job in the world — want the president of the United States to stick by those words.

He risks a broken promise and a MAGA meltdown if he doesn't.

---

As Trump contemplates Iran, he risks a MAGA meltdown

Donald Trump has made a lot of promises on foreign policy, but perhaps the loudest has been America First. If he breaks it, he will have a MAGA-sized problem.

www.abc.net.au

 

[AZ_HighCountry]

What support do they really get at the moment?

Outside of a letter of condemnation shared amongst them? Nothing.

Point I was trying to make was if Iran is ever going to get any support whatsoever from the Arab nations based on a common religion, attacking them isn't going to help.

 

[Hakwa Nadro]

To put India in the same sentence as Russia and China - thats where i ended reading your post. Stop being so delusional and sit down.
No ones asking india to do anything

I read his first post today and got as far as "I condemn Iran" , that fool wrote a whole page just to say that one sentence

 

[Aggregate]

To put India in the same sentence as Russia and China - thats where i ended reading your post. Stop being so delusional and sit down.
No ones asking india to do anything

Agreed, what has India even done here ? They did not even vote against Israel in the UN. nobody is giving any credence to Modi since last month anyway. Not sure why OP is thinks India has done anything at all, here.

 

[AZ_HighCountry]

As Donald Trump deliberates over Iran, he has a MAGA problem​

By North America correspondent Kamin Gock and Emily Clark in Washington DC

2h ago2 hours ago

There is some trouble in the ranks of the MAGA movement. (Reuters/Eduardo Munoz)

As Donald Trump unleashed a series of posts about the Israel-Iran conflict, he used the word "we".

"We now have total and complete control over the skies of Iran," he said.

He was either suggesting the United States and Israel were a "we" or he was saying the US was in control.

Either way, it is likely to anger parts of the MAGA movement who have been reminding him that kind of thinking is not very America first.

Some of the president's longest and most diehard supporters have warned that US involvement in the Israel-Iran conflict could "blow up the coalition" of MAGA supporters.

Since his sudden departure from the G7 and his ominous "everyone should immediately evacuate Tehran!" message, speculation about Trump's next steps has been smouldering.

Vice-President JD Vance issued a statement about how Trump "may need to take further action to end Iranian enrichment" and "people are right to be worried about foreign entanglement" in another entrenched conflict in the Middle East.

"I can assure you that he is only interested in using the American military to accomplish the American people's goals," Vance said in an apparent effort to put out any spot fires among supporters.

But then Donald Trump fanned the flames.

Within the space of an hour he said, "we now have total and complete control over the skies of Iran" and "our patience is wearing thin" and warned when it came to Iranian supreme leader Ayatollah Khamenei: "We are not going to take him out (kill!) — at least for now."

All lines that were stunning because they appeared to communicate the US was already somewhat entangled.

That is not what some parts of MAGA want to hear and despite being a convert to the movement himself, it appears JD Vance is well aware of the cracks starting to appear.

The MAGA diehards​

MAGA is far from a monolithic group, but some of its most high-profile commentators are putting its differences on display for Donald Trump to see.

Steve Bannon, Tucker Carlson, Marjorie Taylor Greene — the gang's all here.

The divide is getting deeper and getting very personal.

As the world waits on Donald Trump's next move, these are some of the possibilities for the Iran-Israel conflict, writes Ben Knight.

Former Fox News host turned podcaster Tucker Carlson and ex-White House chief strategist Steve Bannon are two MAGA heavyweights leading the push to stay out of the Israel-Iran conflict.

"If we get sucked into this war … it's gonna not just blow up the coalition, it's also gonna thwart what we're doing with the most important thing, which is the deportation of the illegal alien invaders that are here," Steve Bannon told Tucker Carlson.

Carlson wrote a newsletter to his subscribers calling the president "complicit in the act of war."

He has called out his former employer, Fox News, saying it is playing a central role in the "propaganda operation" pushing the US ever closer to conflict with Iran.

By vocalising his anti-involvement stance to millions of his followers, Carlson annoyed his commander-in-chief, and as Trump usually does, he opted for a personal and public insult, calling him "kooky Tucker Carlson".

Even more astonishing, fierce Trump ally congresswoman Marjorie Taylor Greene came to Carlson's defence, saying it was "not kooky" to want to stay out of "foreign wars" that "put America last".

Donald Trump was the one to make his supporters the promise of America first, and his administration regularly rolled out the line "promises made, promises kept".

Now, he is telling them America first could actually mean all manner of things.

"America first means many great things, including the fact IRAN CANNOT HAVE A NUCLEAR WEAPON," he said in a Truth Social post.

On the other side of this MAGA fracture line are people like Laura Loomer, who are taking names.

Far-right activist and conspiracy theorist Laura Loomer has urged her nearly 2 million followers on X to "take screenshots of every single right winger who is s**t talking Trump right now".

Loomer has considerable influence within right-wing circles and has been known to regularly advise Mr Trump on issues of loyalty.

The president has said he wants an end to the escalating situation in the Middle East. He has thrown public support behind Israel's unilateral strikes, calling for Iran's "unconditional surrender".

One reason this issue is dividing his base and supporters so viscerally is that Donald Trump campaigned on ending the "forever wars".

He regularly spruiks that no new major conflicts occurred during his first term.

'The wars we never get into'​

Steve Bannon tells his following that ending the "forever wars" is one of three key pillars of the MAGA movement, alongside immigration and trade.

He has called on his supporters to pray Trump can "seek the guidance he needs".

Bannon has attacked what he calls the "deep state's" influence within the White House, claiming the Republican Party does not want to end "forever wars" because of its ties to Wall Street and the defence industry.

Foreign policy has been a sticking point that has divided the right in America for decades, but a conflict with Iran could be one of the most defining and damaging decisions for Donald Trump's legacy among many of his supporters.

This is a man who accused Barack Obama in 2011 of wishing to start a war with Iran.

This is a man who lampooned Joe Biden over the withdrawal of American troops from Afghanistan in 2020.

He said Russia would never have invaded Ukraine had he been in power at the time.

He said he would end that conflict on his first day back in the Oval Office. Russian strikes on Kyiv killed at least 10 people overnight.

Netanyahu's agenda is clear, but Trump wants plausible deniability​

There are many things happening in the Middle East at the moment but beneath them lies one single through-line: Israel is attempting to reshape the political map of the region.

Trump's barrage of posts overnight had a very threatening tone, but as he has spoken about Iran, his comments have ranged from military threats to diplomatic overtures, such is the style of Donald Trump.

He is said to be considering his options. The Wall Street Journal is reporting a US strike on Iran is among them, but so are diplomatic levers.

Trump said on Monday, local time, he might send Middle East envoy Steve Witkoff or Vance to meet Iranian officials.

Trump received rapturous applause on inauguration day in January for his "peace by strength" maxim.

Just five months ago, he told his country: "We will measure our success not only by the battles we win, but also by the wars that we end, and perhaps most importantly, the wars we never get into."

A core group of the MAGA movement — the one that elevated him to the most powerful job in the world — want the president of the United States to stick by those words.

He risks a broken promise and a MAGA meltdown if he doesn't.

---

As Trump contemplates Iran, he risks a MAGA meltdown

Donald Trump has made a lot of promises on foreign policy, but perhaps the loudest has been America First. If he breaks it, he will have a MAGA-sized problem.

www.abc.net.au

And this, as written, can easily tie into the Tweet (is that what it's called on Truth Social?) by Ambassador Huckabee. The President is facing a situation similar to what President Truman faced in July of 1945.

He signed up for the job. He has to deal with the consequences for his decisions.

 

[Hakwa Nadro]

As Donald Trump deliberates over Iran, he has a MAGA problem​

By North America correspondent Kamin Gock and Emily Clark in Washington DC

2h ago2 hours ago

There is some trouble in the ranks of the MAGA movement. (Reuters/Eduardo Munoz)

As Donald Trump unleashed a series of posts about the Israel-Iran conflict, he used the word "we".

"We now have total and complete control over the skies of Iran," he said.

He was either suggesting the United States and Israel were a "we" or he was saying the US was in control.

Either way, it is likely to anger parts of the MAGA movement who have been reminding him that kind of thinking is not very America first.

Some of the president's longest and most diehard supporters have warned that US involvement in the Israel-Iran conflict could "blow up the coalition" of MAGA supporters.

Since his sudden departure from the G7 and his ominous "everyone should immediately evacuate Tehran!" message, speculation about Trump's next steps has been smouldering.

Vice-President JD Vance issued a statement about how Trump "may need to take further action to end Iranian enrichment" and "people are right to be worried about foreign entanglement" in another entrenched conflict in the Middle East.

"I can assure you that he is only interested in using the American military to accomplish the American people's goals," Vance said in an apparent effort to put out any spot fires among supporters.

But then Donald Trump fanned the flames.

Within the space of an hour he said, "we now have total and complete control over the skies of Iran" and "our patience is wearing thin" and warned when it came to Iranian supreme leader Ayatollah Khamenei: "We are not going to take him out (kill!) — at least for now."

All lines that were stunning because they appeared to communicate the US was already somewhat entangled.

That is not what some parts of MAGA want to hear and despite being a convert to the movement himself, it appears JD Vance is well aware of the cracks starting to appear.

The MAGA diehards​

MAGA is far from a monolithic group, but some of its most high-profile commentators are putting its differences on display for Donald Trump to see.

Steve Bannon, Tucker Carlson, Marjorie Taylor Greene — the gang's all here.

The divide is getting deeper and getting very personal.

As the world waits on Donald Trump's next move, these are some of the possibilities for the Iran-Israel conflict, writes Ben Knight.

Former Fox News host turned podcaster Tucker Carlson and ex-White House chief strategist Steve Bannon are two MAGA heavyweights leading the push to stay out of the Israel-Iran conflict.

"If we get sucked into this war … it's gonna not just blow up the coalition, it's also gonna thwart what we're doing with the most important thing, which is the deportation of the illegal alien invaders that are here," Steve Bannon told Tucker Carlson.

Carlson wrote a newsletter to his subscribers calling the president "complicit in the act of war."

He has called out his former employer, Fox News, saying it is playing a central role in the "propaganda operation" pushing the US ever closer to conflict with Iran.

By vocalising his anti-involvement stance to millions of his followers, Carlson annoyed his commander-in-chief, and as Trump usually does, he opted for a personal and public insult, calling him "kooky Tucker Carlson".

Even more astonishing, fierce Trump ally congresswoman Marjorie Taylor Greene came to Carlson's defence, saying it was "not kooky" to want to stay out of "foreign wars" that "put America last".

Donald Trump was the one to make his supporters the promise of America first, and his administration regularly rolled out the line "promises made, promises kept".

Now, he is telling them America first could actually mean all manner of things.

"America first means many great things, including the fact IRAN CANNOT HAVE A NUCLEAR WEAPON," he said in a Truth Social post.

On the other side of this MAGA fracture line are people like Laura Loomer, who are taking names.

Far-right activist and conspiracy theorist Laura Loomer has urged her nearly 2 million followers on X to "take screenshots of every single right winger who is s**t talking Trump right now".

Loomer has considerable influence within right-wing circles and has been known to regularly advise Mr Trump on issues of loyalty.

The president has said he wants an end to the escalating situation in the Middle East. He has thrown public support behind Israel's unilateral strikes, calling for Iran's "unconditional surrender".

One reason this issue is dividing his base and supporters so viscerally is that Donald Trump campaigned on ending the "forever wars".

He regularly spruiks that no new major conflicts occurred during his first term.

'The wars we never get into'​

Steve Bannon tells his following that ending the "forever wars" is one of three key pillars of the MAGA movement, alongside immigration and trade.

He has called on his supporters to pray Trump can "seek the guidance he needs".

Bannon has attacked what he calls the "deep state's" influence within the White House, claiming the Republican Party does not want to end "forever wars" because of its ties to Wall Street and the defence industry.

Foreign policy has been a sticking point that has divided the right in America for decades, but a conflict with Iran could be one of the most defining and damaging decisions for Donald Trump's legacy among many of his supporters.

This is a man who accused Barack Obama in 2011 of wishing to start a war with Iran.

This is a man who lampooned Joe Biden over the withdrawal of American troops from Afghanistan in 2020.

He said Russia would never have invaded Ukraine had he been in power at the time.

He said he would end that conflict on his first day back in the Oval Office. Russian strikes on Kyiv killed at least 10 people overnight.

Netanyahu's agenda is clear, but Trump wants plausible deniability​

There are many things happening in the Middle East at the moment but beneath them lies one single through-line: Israel is attempting to reshape the political map of the region.

Trump's barrage of posts overnight had a very threatening tone, but as he has spoken about Iran, his comments have ranged from military threats to diplomatic overtures, such is the style of Donald Trump.

He is said to be considering his options. The Wall Street Journal is reporting a US strike on Iran is among them, but so are diplomatic levers.

Trump said on Monday, local time, he might send Middle East envoy Steve Witkoff or Vance to meet Iranian officials.

Trump received rapturous applause on inauguration day in January for his "peace by strength" maxim.

Just five months ago, he told his country: "We will measure our success not only by the battles we win, but also by the wars that we end, and perhaps most importantly, the wars we never get into."

A core group of the MAGA movement — the one that elevated him to the most powerful job in the world — want the president of the United States to stick by those words.

He risks a broken promise and a MAGA meltdown if he doesn't.

---

As Trump contemplates Iran, he risks a MAGA meltdown

Donald Trump has made a lot of promises on foreign policy, but perhaps the loudest has been America First. If he breaks it, he will have a MAGA-sized problem.

www.abc.net.au

Well the MAGA crowd got scammed, too bad. It was Make Israel Kill Again all the time

 

[S.Y.A]

He acted like an idiot on a trip to Iran with IK and Iranis complained, prompting Mir Bajwa to use this opportunity to trap IK the ever gullible simpleton into firing him. Setting the bad blood and visceral hatred of IK from this bald headed paindu wannabe Kim Jong-Un.

wow, really? what happened? never knew about this before today.

 

[Tamerlane]

Yes, the Iranian situation is complicated. They are strongly nationalistic but also infested with Israeli spies. They are proudly and fiercely Muslim, and they also have a super strong bond to their ancient heritage. This leads some to dream of reclaiming their ancient dominance and complicates the relationship with neighbors. It all goes south when other regional countries have their own dreams of reclaiming their own past glories. If only these countries could look at the United States and see that focusing on the future rather than the past may be a more fruitful enterprise.

Figuring out how Iran works will make is easier to understand why they act the way they do. Iranians have a two-sided personality, Persian and Islamic. During the time of the Shah, they emphasized the secular Persian side, while after the revolution they've been more Islamic. The problem happens when some Iranians go to the extreme in being Persian or Islamic.

Extreme Persians reject their Islamic side and link themselves to pre-Islamic Persian glory. In 1971, the Shah of Iran threw a huge three-day party to celebrate 2,500 years of the Persian Empire. Persian Iranians are very non-religious. Not just the ones in the West, but also inside Iran. They consider Arabs, Turks etc. as rivals in civilization which cuts them off from socializing with other Muslims.

Islamic Iranians emphasize their Shia religion, which also cuts them off from the majority Muslim world, since shias are only 10-12% of Muslims. They have their own mosques and practices, and it doesn’t allow them to mix with other Muslims. For example, where I live in Canada there are tons of Muslims from various nationalities, but we rarely see Iranians in the mosques or other places.

Either way, they've cut themselves off from the bulk of the Muslim world, including having alliances with Muslim countries. If moderate and patriotic Iranians come to power who are not extreme in being Persian or Islamic then better relations can be established with Muslim countries.

 

[onlinpunit]

Nothing stopping them from shipping advanced radar/EW equipment or AD systems to be operated by Iranians.

But they will not do. They have equally good relationship with GCC and to an extent with Israel as well. Also despite all swashbuckling and posturing China dont want a direct confrontation with USA.

 

[the saint]

stop posting this misleading video again and again. Its been debunked this is not Israel.

again and again.. you have choice to ignore...or continue worshipping israhell....

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[SaadH]

wow, really? what happened? never knew about this before today.

The reports that I've heard state that he misbehaved with Iranis in his typical uncouth bluster that he has revealed on a few occasions through his ill-conceived speeches and diatribes, e.g. "Faarwarded as Reeceiveeedd"...