Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

flyingorca said:
If the new Iranian government comes, it will be entangled with insurgency. Do you think shias are just going to stay still and let zoroastrians rule over them? The biggest miscalculation the west is going to make that if they topple current regime, Iranians are going to be freed.
Its going to be 50 50 power struggle. The other half would want to restore previous government and the new government will struggle alot. We do not know how and in what way its going to effect pakistan. Maybe the shias may become the good tban for Pakistan and who knows. Maybe Iran may get split in two parts?
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Exactly.

An unstable Iran will become a nightmare for us. We already have an unstable neighbor in the west. How's that working out for us?

It is in our interests to keep a stable Iran as a buffer between us and the rest of the Middle East including Israel. It is also payback time for all the help Israel has been providing to India militarily.
 
ToqeLowkey said:
read the Chinese intervention during Korean War that was brutal .
Thing is China doesn’t like unnecessary wars that doesn’t endanger mainland .
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China sent over 2 million troops during the Korean War, and later supported North Vietnam with 320,000 troops during the U.S. invasion. That’s one of the reasons why the U.S. has always been cautious about engaging in direct military conflict with China.

We’re very careful when it comes to military actions — but once it’s decided that vital interests must be defended, the scale can be far beyond what anyone expects.

What’s interesting is how different China’s neighbors perceive this: some are terrified, thinking China is about to invade the whole world (like Japan, South Korea, Vietnam), while others complain that China isn’t aggressive enough. Quite the contrast.
 
Shakehands said:
I Believe lesson learned.
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Lesson learned by who, Iran? I don't think so, if they survive this bout of crisis they will again go back to their old ways. They won't go for nukes, they won't pursue genuine alliance, they will continue with the opportunism. Basically, they feel they can be smart arse about everything and get the benefits from everywhere and even as far as playing the west with their nuclear card without ever getting nukes. There is no cure for this kind of "smart assery".

The Chinese (and all east Asian nations) are very smart people. That lady who posted this on X has accurately described Iran's character, which I have noticed for a long time but couldn't have written it the way she did even if my life depended on it.
 
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Frogen said:
I think India’s decision not to join the Shanghai Cooperation Organization in condemning Israel’s unprovoked attack was a serious mistake. Even if India was concerned about its ties with Israel, it could’ve asked for a softer or more neutral wording.

But in this case, a non-member of the SCO attacked a member — and not just any member, but one India had just signed an "all-weather strategic partnership" with. This move undermines India’s diplomatic credibility. Even the Israelis might not appreciate a friend who abandons their own partners so easily.
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Are SCO members really India’s 'partners' though?

India didn’t join the SCO because we’re all best friends. It was more about keeping a seat at the table for regional issues, not because we see the world the same way as China, Russia, or Iran. Calling them strategic partners is a bit of a stretch, especially when half of them have their own problems with us.

And as for Israel, not signing a statement isn’t the same as backing the attack. Sometimes in diplomacy, staying quiet says more than picking a side. We’ve always valued strategic independence, and that’s what gives us credibility.
 
Starlord said:
I mean people make fun, or these videos but what's the point? at this point anyone in this world actually matter or care that Israel is lying? Americans know Israel is lying and trying to bring them into war with Iran but what are they doing to stop this ? any politician that has come or risen up to call out Israel and either demo/rep rally behind him or her? I see no point of such videos they serve no purpose but for people to just laugh for a min or two and move on.
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Might is right bro. This is why I said if Iran didn't have the nukes or military capability to defend itself then it was better for Iran interest to carefully decide its foreign policy. Yes they took the path of confronting the devil and standing with the truth, we cannot point fingers at Iran for standing with the truth but from a military point of view it may have been better to arm itself enough to be able to defend.
 
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Developereo said:
Exactly.

An unstable Iran will become a nightmare for us. We already have an unstable neighbor in the west. How's that working out for us?

It is in our interests to keep a stable Iran as a buffer between us and the rest of the Middle East including Israel. It is also payback time for all the help Israel has been providing to India militarily.
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A successful installation of a new govt in Iran will be very, very unlikely. Israelies themselves do not believe it will work. The current Govt is an ideological one and Iranians fought to have it. In other countries where the US toppled governments previously, the rulers are unpopular and new ones are installed via mock elections.

In this case neither is the govt (that) unpopular (despite all Western claims), nor will their followers accept a new Govt brought in through any means. The final nail in the coffin is that any new govt will inherit Israeli legacy (in the mind of Iranians), including Gaza Genocide and the current war against Iran. Maybe a small section of Iranian society will be okay with it, but a vast majority will hate them absolutely. On top of it, Pakistan, Russia, Azerbaijan, Iraq, India, China, Arab States, US, all will pull and push for their own interests. Pakistan's concern will not be Baluchistan only, but also other areas that border Afghanistan.

With best hopes for Iranian brothers, that it never comes to that .. I cannot even start to imagine how much of a mess US will be making if they start this. Maybe that is why Trump wants nothing of this, in the first place.
 
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God .. I hope so .. and I deeply hope Hezbollah are sitting back waiting for the moment when these Ba$tards run out of AD Missiles.
 
ToqeLowkey said:
read the Chinese intervention during Korean War that was brutal .
Thing is China doesn’t like unnecessary wars that doesn’t endanger mainland .
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Yes, exactly in order to dominate and spread your influence globally, you need to treat wars beyond the mainland with equal importance. That's how every global power of the past and present came to dominate the full spectrum.
 
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