Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[ChineseTiger1986]

Agree Pakistan is definitely on the list but they will use India as a pawn, nominating Donald as a nobel peacemaker was a diplomatic disaster when will the thick establishment and politicians learn might is what counts in today's theatre of the game.

Iran needs team up with Pakistan as Israel is now teaming up with the BJP.

 

[MH.Yang]

China has poured resources into developing next-gen hypersonics, stealth aircraft, and AI-powered platforms, but let’s face it: war isn’t some tech demo or theory exercise. It demands grit, sacrifice, and unflinching resolve.

In my analysis, no matter how advanced its arsenal becomes, China is unlikely to directly engage in a full-scale war. Their doctrine seems centered on showcasing strength rather than testing it in live combat. If any of their systems are ever truly battle tested, it’ll likely be through Pakistan, not by putting their own boots on the ground.

And now more than ever, modern war is all about airpower, drones, AI, and advanced electronic warfare. It’s no longer just about tanks and trenches, future conflicts will be fought by drones and robots, in a battlespace where data dominates and human presence is minimized.

China may dominate the tech race on paper, but whether it has the resolve to commit that power when stakes are real, that’s still up for debate.

It is China's greatest goodwill to human civilization to stay out of the war. To be honest, most people don't know enough about China's massive war capability. If China starts a general mobilization, then it should be aliens trying to invade the earth.

China produces 126 times more steel than the United States. China produces four times as many automobiles as the United States. China has 233 times the shipbuilding capacity of the United States. China's military age population is 4 times that of the United States. This is an industrial monster that can explode dozens of times America's war potential if necessary.

 

[r3alist]

China has poured resources into developing next-gen hypersonics, stealth aircraft, and AI-powered platforms, but let’s face it: war isn’t some tech demo or theory exercise. It demands grit, sacrifice, and unflinching resolve.

In my analysis, no matter how advanced its arsenal becomes, China is unlikely to directly engage in a full-scale war. Their doctrine seems centered on showcasing strength rather than testing it in live combat. If any of their systems are ever truly battle tested, it’ll likely be through Pakistan, not by putting their own boots on the ground.

And now more than ever, modern war is all about airpower, drones, AI, and advanced electronic warfare. It’s no longer just about tanks and trenches, future conflicts will be fought by drones and robots, in a battlespace where data dominates and human presence is minimized.

China may dominate the tech race on paper, but whether it has the resolve to commit that power when stakes are real, that’s still up for debate.

This is a very good and smart post, and it's exactly the dichotomy that two modern technologically capable superpowers fall into, so I do not criticize it

You should also remember that on average the Chinese people are pretty smart and diligent, and ideally suited for this new technological world

But, it cannot just be for a show, this is why Pakistan's aerial victory was such a moment of joy ......


I didn't just say all of the off topic, it's relevant to Iran in terms of coming up with a new strategy of working with China more closely, iran's missile, industrial and specific technology capabilities seem really excellent and commendable, but it's potentially too much of a solo effort, especially if this continues to escalate

 

[Mobius]

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[Olympus81]

Why should they sit to negotiate? And negotiate what? Surrender?

Its due time someone made these pathetic bullies payback in the same coin. As far as regional "peace" is concerned, its only a matter of time thay ziopigs chose another target to destroy.

Look at the past 50 years and see how many "paece" agreements were made by ziopigs and how many did they honor.

The problem with muslim nations isnt about lack of firepower, but rather will to use it, and that has embolded the ziopigs to the extent that they now operate across multiple countries without any fear.

Understand your concerns.

There are several ways to tackle this. Least of which is to take the US and NATO head on. The Zionazis would want exactly that.

 

[Maea]

people in Pakistan will remember it. Pakistan is not next, it is going to be targeted very soon. the influential groups and former members of Israeli establishment have already expressed desire on dismantling Pakistani nuclear capability. just like Iran they want a fully compliant government that is miles away from China and Russia and a country reduced to a shadow of former self.

Peope who are saying Pakistan isnt on the target list of isreal are naive,imo.
Whatever happened in Iran was exactly what indians tried to do on 7th may, but i did not work.

Unfortunately the state has used and abused the term "traitor" so now even if somebody is actually one, we simlply dont believe them.
The world order and rules have once again changed, so we need to change our strategic thinking as well.
The strategy of waiting for an enemy attack is pure stupidity, premptive strikes are the new norm.
Active sabtage, economic espionage and proxy funding are the new defence weapons.
I dont want to name anyone specifically, but our leadership for the past 30 years have been so impressed by "aman ki asha" that we now lose 1k+ men every year despite being at "peace".
From my perpective Pakistan's offensive capacity in the above mentioned areas are looking pathetically non-existent.
I hope our decision makers know what they're doing.

 

[Mobius]

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[RescueRanger]

No Iranian threat ‘other than having US regional interests challenged’
Stephen Zunes, the director of Middle Eastern studies at the University of San Francisco, says the suggestion that Iran posed any kind of threat to the US is “totally nonsense”.

“Iran has no capabilities of reaching the United States with its missiles or other kinds of weaponry,” he told Al Jazeera.

“And if the concern was about their nuclear programme eventually being militarised to make nuclear weapons, Trump would not have destroyed” the 2015 nuclear deal, Zunes added.

He argued the attacks were not about any kind of Iranian threats “other than that threat of having a major power that could challenge US interests in the region”.

Asked about why he thought Trump decided to attack Iran now, Zunes replied: “I have a feeling he’s been wanting to launch war on Iran for some time, frankly”.

He added that this was “obviously” contrary to what Trump had campaigned on but added that “it should not be that big of a surprise” because the Republican president “has broken any number of campaign promises” on both foreign and domestic issues”.

 

[Mobius]

Via the Mossad Run Esptein Ops

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[koolio]

Escalation will get more serious if this is true

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[ChineseTiger1986]

It is China's greatest goodwill to human civilization to stay out of the war. To be honest, most people don't know enough about China's massive war capability. If China starts a general mobilization, then it should be aliens trying to invade the earth.

China has provided the supervision to Iran how to rely on rocket missile force if you lack the power to build up a powerful air force/navy.

Iran's underground missile tunnel was also a reference to China's underground great wall that has effectively shielded its missile power that the enemy cannot neutralize it.

Otherwise, Iran cannot deal a such amount of damage to Israel during this war.

 

[onlinpunit]

This is not the first time India has backstabbed Iran

However Iran has some sort of one sided love for India, kind of the way American Christians have one sided love for Israel.

I can't understand it. I won't try. But it exists and we have to acknowledge it and deal with it accordingly.

How exactly india backstabbed iran ?
Do we have any defence pact which we refuse not Honour ?
Any defence supply deal not fulfilled by us ?
Did our govt nominated someone for something ?

 

[Bengal71]

AI:

Verdict:

Iran’s version (entrance/exit damaged) is more likely, based on:

• Physics of bunker-busting
• Fordow’s geological protection
• Known limits of GBU-57
• Lack of reported massive seismic activity or radioactive concern
• Fordow being designed specifically to survive this kind of strike

Unless:

• The U.S. used a new, classified weapon, or
• There was sabotage from within, or
• The strike was theatrical and the “destruction” is more symbolic than physical.

What is the actual depth of Fordow, does anybody know?

 

[Mobius]

Just dust in our eyes from the Najdi Arabs......

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[koolio]

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