Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[German Angst]

if Iran fell then Pakistan was next

luckily for Pakistan the Iranian fought back hard and won the war

Pakistan should thank Iran for being its Vanguard

You are spreading so much rubbish in this thread about Pakistan being next. Stop posting that Bullshit everytime.

There are so many differences between Pakistan and Iran.

- Pakistan already got nukes
- Pakistan has a reliable lifeline in China
- Pakistan is not threatening to nuke Israel
- Pakistan isn‘t isolated internationally, on the contrary got good relations to many countries in the world.
- Pakistan is totally different gravy military-wise
- Pakistan only gets dangerous if it becomes unstable aka the military is weakened.
- Pakistan got a lifeline in China (again because that solely makes everything you say fantasy)

Stop that nonsense please

 

[mulj]

Well, he does agree to a ceasefire on Gaza twice and how did that one goes?

He is going to use Iran as a punching bag and now with Trump onboard, I mean do you still think Trump would just say no to Nathanyahu? Trump had been warned by his own base and he is doing this anyway, that's a political suicide because he bound to isolate a lot of his base just to attack Iran.

And to be honest with you, I don't know what the current administration thinks anymore,. no one in the right mind will go raise a trade war with LITERALLY EVERYBODY out of nothing, and yet here we are, we are doing it (I mean like what? 80 days over the "deal deadline" and how many deal do we have?) Can US handle a 3 front war? No, but does that mean Trump is not going to try? I don't know, I just don't know.

On the other hand, Israel don't need to win the war,what BiBi is doing is he is playing into multiple threats against Israel, and everyone is against them, so you need him to stay in power, that's why he is pissing off everyone he can piss off in that list. Sure, let's say this ceasefire hold, then what? Next time when there is a mass protest against him, he is going to fire a couple of missile in Lebannon or Iran and said they are close to whatever they are closed to, and judging from what Trump did this time, he is not going to say no.

He can not use Iran as punching bag, Lebanon and Gaza can not return fire while Iran is perfectly capable to launch missiles and disrupt their lives and inflict damage and losses.
No more arrows for protection means that they will suffer to, out of the necessity they will "obey" ceasefire for couple of months at least, who will use better this time will have better chances in next round.

 

[El Sidd]

Bahahaha. @BonPlan got played by the great El Sidd

I didn't do anything. He walked straight into it and never call me great again.
Thanks

 

[Musings]

And if it is proved that I'm french, you will apologize ?

I hope so, if not it's far too easy, nearly an insult....

I frankly dont care. You have indian heritage. You either 2nd generation and are ashamed to show your origin flag or managed to get residency.
Either way i couldnt care less. Just occasionally try to view the world objectively and take your TVA glsses off

 

[Watandar]

You are spreading so much rubbish in this thread about Pakistan being next. Stop posting that Bullshit everytime.

There are so many differences between Pakistan and Iran.

- Pakistan already got nukes
- Pakistan has a reliable lifeline in China
- Pakistan is not threatening to nuke Israel
- Pakistan isn‘t isolated internationally, on the contrary got good relations to many countries in the world.
- Pakistan is totally different gravy military-wise
- Pakistan only gets dangerous if it becomes unstable aka the military is weakened.
- Pakistan got a lifeline in China (again because that solely makey everything you say fantasy)

Stop that nonsense please

Pakistan has nukes and missiles to deliver them, which is unacceptable to the West/Israel/India.

Pakistan is economically very weak and even more vulnerable to sanctions than Iran is.

Pakistan is a poor country and a resource rich and skilled agency like Mossad, or someone trained by Mossad, can easily recruit agents from all classes of society

Pakistan is over-dependent on China and could be thrown to the wolves if India-China or China-West relations improve drastically. Iran is over-dependent on Russia and was badly hurt in this war when Russia refused to provide any support amid suspicious it has made a deal with West over Ukraine.

Going OT though.

 

[Aryan_B]

Guys dont forget what Trump said last week when asked why he didn't ask Israel to cease fire he said you don't ask a winning side to ceasefire when they winning. So one can only assume israel was losing for Trump to ask for ceasefire

 

[SD 10]

if Iran fell then Pakistan was next

luckily for Pakistan the Iranian fought back hard and won the war

Pakistan should thank Iran for being its Vanguard

Absolutely we cant afford a pro israeli government on the western border too

 

[Musings]

Note to all members.sectarianism or attack on minorities is strictly a no no.
Discuss the topic and stick to it.
We will take strict action if rules are broken

 

[Musings]

Guys dont forget what Trump said last week when asked why he didn't ask Israel to cease fire he said you don't ask a winning side to ceasefire when they winning. So one can only assume israel was losing for Trump to ask for ceasefire

Look at the videos leaked out of Israel -
Its been pulverised bro.
1 more week and it would have been rubble

 

[Davey Crockett]

Gotta agree.

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Netanyaho and Fred Trump (Trump's father) were close friends...

Post in thread 'Gaza-Israel Conflict | 2023- till present' https://defencepk.com/forums/threads/gaza-israel-conflict-2023-till-present.272/post-762912

 

[Meengla]

Well, he does agree to a ceasefire on Gaza twice and how did that one goes?

Comparing Gaza/Lebanon/Syria with Iran??!!

He is going to use Iran as a punching bag and now with Trump onboard, I mean do you still think Trump would just say no to Nathanyahu? Trump had been warned by his own base and he is doing this anyway, that's a political suicide because he bound to isolate a lot of his base just to attack Iran.

Trump is the one President since Bush Sr. who can say 'No' to Netanyahu. Not only there is a strong 'America First' MAGA movement but there ARE a signficant number of Democrats in the US Congress who have attempted to put Netanyahu in his place. This forum's lazy thinking member don't know that as many as 19 out of the 50 Democratic Senators were backing a Resolution to block arm sales to Israel during the Israel-Gaza War. That's a huge number when you consider it was an election cycle in America and the influence of AIPAC!!

On the other hand, Israel don't need to win the war,what BiBi is doing is he is playing into multiple threats against Israel, and everyone is against them, so you need him to stay in power, that's why he is pissing off everyone he can piss off in that list. Sure, let's say this ceasefire hold, then what? Next time when there is a mass protest against him, he is going to fire a couple of missile in Lebannon or Iran and said they are close to whatever they are closed to, and judging from what Trump did this time, he is not going to say no.

I am amazed by your repeated comparisons between the poor little Arab forces and Iran. Add to that, you still don't seem to understand: Americans can't get into a full blown war against Iran without seriously inflicting losses on America itself. Iran is not without its own options.

Overall, it is not just you but a large part of this forum who majorly discount the roles of lobbies, the pressure groups, the political cadres which drive an American President's policies, which are still greatly personally shaped by the personal biases of a President. The era or 'Checks and Balances' is largely gone: An American President can become a an almost total dictator like Trump has become.

 

[mangekyo]

You are spreading so much rubbish in this thread about Pakistan being next. Stop posting that Bullshit everytime.

There are so many differences between Pakistan and Iran.

- Pakistan already got nukes
- Pakistan has a reliable lifeline in China
- Pakistan is not threatening to nuke Israel
- Pakistan isn‘t isolated internationally, on the contrary got good relations to many countries in the world.
- Pakistan is totally different gravy military-wise
- Pakistan only gets dangerous if it becomes unstable aka the military is weakened.
- Pakistan got a lifeline in China (again because that solely makey everything you say fantasy)

Stop that nonsense please

You want to rely upon being a protectorate of China? I smell Indian false flagger. Anyone with an IQ above 0 can see that the entity will come for Pakistan if the road from Iran is open. This is the pattern.

And btw. All the things you mentioned makes Pakistan far more vulnerable than Iran and a more likely target.

 

[Mighty_Dragon_Strike]

Israel absolutely wanted a ceasefire. Netanyahu was talking about it for days before. They had planned for a maximum two week war.

they had planned for a regime change!
but they could not continue bombing, so reluctantly took ceasefire
in other words, USA asked them to do cease fire, otherwise no cease fire would have taken place!

 

[Meengla]

He can not use Iran as punching bag, Lebanon and Gaza can not return fire while Iran is perfectly capable to launch missiles and disrupt their lives and inflict damage and losses.
No more arrows for protection means that they will suffer to, out of the necessity they will "obey" ceasefire for couple of months at least, who will use better this time will have better chances in next round.

Thanks. That's what I tried to tell him. How uninformed for guy with a long military background like his AND for written more words on PDF than 1000 other active posters COMBINED!

 

[Musings]

You want to rely upon being a protectorate of China? I smell Indian false flagger. Anyone with an IQ above 0 can see that the entity will come for Pakistan if the road from Iran is open. This is the pattern.

And btw. All the things you mentioned makes Pakistan far more vulnerable than Iran and a more likely target.

Pakistan is not the topic here. I suggest creating a thread and talking about it elsewhere. Not here please