Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

SolarWarden said:
-If Fordow isn’t now a hive of activity? It’s done. If the regime isn’t frantically repairing the approach roads? It’s done. If they aren’t pulling all that earth crammed into the tunnel entrances? It’s done.

Mere power interruptions can destroy high-speed centrifuges. They HATE vibration of any kind. (12) 30,000 pound high-order explosive deep penetrators delivered a monumental amount of vibration, let alone explosive effects. My money is on Fordow being rendered useless. Activity- or the lack of it- will be the tell. I doubt the Iranians now have the time or the money to pretend to work on this facility.
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I can think of at least one additional way Fordow could have survived.

Regardless, that was darn good shooting. 12 bombs down 6 holes from 50,000 ft.
 
dbc said:
They all cite an unnamed US official attributing the claim to a DIA report. An unnamed US official could be anyone, unless we know the bonafides and motives of this unnamed source we can't know for sure. All this could be politically motivated potentially Israeli disinformation such as the Iraqi WMD saga. My problem is that these claims could be used to justify future attacks on Iran. If I were Iran, I'd be happy for the world to think Fordo is rubble even if it's not. And I don't have a problem with you just the narrative you are pushing.
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The documents themselves were leaked.

The Israelis are saying partial damage.

The leaked documents are saying no actual.damage to the underground structures, and only the entrances are damaged; this is in line with what most expert opinion is, all of who are using OSInt.

I have no reason to not believe it, as everything pretty much aligns.

I'm not pushing a narrative, I'm pushing back against a narrative. There's a clear difference.

People are basing their opinion based on a claim.

I'm basing my opinion on science.
 
That_Guy said:
The documents themselves were leaked.

The Israelis are saying partial damage.

The leaked documents are saying no actual.damage to the underground structures, and only the entrances are damaged; this is in line with what most expert opinion is, all of who are using OSInt.

I have no reason to not believe it, as everything pretty much aligns.

I'm not pushing a narrative, I'm pushing back against a narrative. There's a clear difference.

People are basing their opinion based on a claim.

I'm basing my opinion on science.
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Is there a chance they knew fordow couldn’t be destroyed, but they wanted to see where they would bring the uranium?
 
Frogen said:
I’d guess most of the Indians who support Iran are probably Muslims.
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And most leftists as well, because they rightly see this as imperial aggression.

And this is generally true for most leftists around the world, most of whom may not like Iran, but acknowledge it is the victim of imperialist aggression.
 
You know what is sad? After all that's been said and done during this conflict, I'm still not 100% sure if the Iranian leadership will acquire nuclear weapons. I don't trust them at all. It feels like they're looking for an excuse to not go all the way. What are they scared of? What is the end goal? What is the strategy here?
 
Frogen said:
I’d guess most of the Indians who support Iran are probably Muslims.
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Indians are by far most numerous internet users, so anything you can see in their comments..
 
Frogen said:
I’d guess most of the Indians who support Iran are probably Muslims.
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Not exactly. As mentioned, many Indians are divided in their views because they believe neither side is entirely innocent. While the spotlight is on Israel, the conflict runs deeper—it's largely fueled by Iran’s support for non-state actors operating beyond its borders. The nuclear talk often serves as a distraction. Many believe that if Iran had not chosen to engage through proxies, this war might have been avoided altogether.

What’s happening in Palestine is tragic, but Iran’s approach stands apart. Unlike other Muslim-majority countries that have chosen to play it safe, avoiding direct confrontation with the U.S. and Israel, Iran has taken a hardline stance—and it’s paying the price for going it alone. Israel may be the visible front in this conflict, but for many indians, the real driving force remains the United States.

At the same time, public opinion in India is mixed. Many feel a cultural and historical closeness to Iran, given its geographic proximity and deep-rooted ties. Conversely, Israel enjoys strong goodwill in India for its reliable support during critical moments, particularly in defense, intelligence, and crisis response.
 
Eşbah said:
You know what is sad? After all that's been said and done during this conflict, I'm still not 100% sure if the Iranian leadership will acquire nuclear weapons. I don't trust them at all. It feels like they're looking for an excuse to not go all the way. What are they scared of? What is the end goal? What is the strategy here?
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Goal was to use nukes as leverage to remove sanctions, while still being able to use peaceful nuclear energy. The sanctions have ruined the economy.Gambit did not work.
 
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