Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[hasn2009]

One point that has not been discussed on the bunker busters. By not using them, there was a deterrent effect that they could be used, if needed. Now that they were used and didn't work, that deterrent effect is gone. There will be no future "stick" to any future diplomatic "carrots" Washington may try to offer.

They will always have something, may be tactical nukes, but with consequences.

 

[Hassan_716]

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is it really true? I mean they must have ways in case they go to a big war.. what if a WW ?

 

[ety]

Yesterday, Trump tweeted that China now can buy oil from Iran. What does that tell you? To me, it says that the Chinese buy Iranian oil with the permission of the US. That's the only reasonable implication of that comment by Trump.

"Six of China's top 10 official sources of oil are in the Persian Gulf region — and that doesn't include Iran, which sends over 90 percent of its exported oil to China."


"HOW MUCH IRANIAN OIL DOES CHINA BUY? China buys roughly 90% of Iran's shipped oil, which has limited buyers due to U.S. sanctions aimed at cutting off funding to Tehran's nuclear programme."


https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/chinas-heavy-reliance-iranian-oil-imports-2025-06-24/#:~:text=HOW%20MUCH%20IRANIAN%20OIL%20DOES,funding%20to%20Tehran's%20nuclear%20programme.

 

[Xiaolong]

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[mulj]

What is JF-17 gonna do in front of F-15I,F-16I and F-35Is?

A lot for pin point defence with his launching capabilities of pl15, at minimum it can chase away attacking airplane, in more ideal scenario where it is networked with AWACS and AD it could take them down.

 

[ShapurII]

"Six of China's top 10 official sources of oil are in the Persian Gulf region — and that doesn't include Iran, which sends over 90 percent of its exported oil to China."


"HOW MUCH IRANIAN OIL DOES CHINA BUY? China buys roughly 90% of Iran's shipped oil, which has limited buyers due to U.S. sanctions aimed at cutting off funding to Tehran's nuclear programme."


https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/chinas-heavy-reliance-iranian-oil-imports-2025-06-24/#:~:text=HOW%20MUCH%20IRANIAN%20OIL%20DOES,funding%20to%20Tehran's%20nuclear%20programme.

And? How does that change the logical implication that China buys Iranian oil with the US permission?

 

[ety]

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China-Pakistan relations would never work had Pakistan had hostile relations with the US. So, apples and oranges.

Pakistan 's security is also a national security interest of China, both countries' securities are sort of intertwined, that's different from Iran.

 

[ety]

And? How does that change the logical implication that China buys Iranian oil with the US permission?

Lol, China doesn't need US permission to buy Iranian oil, China has been buying for years not like some supa powa backed off at US whim. Arrogant bigots. Probably try to entice Iran to give up nuke program. Or US can try to sanction China of tariffs to 200% as the big mouth said, see what happens then, lol.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

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Is he REALLY Iranian? He looks more jewish than Iranian.

 

[ShapurII]

Lol, China doesn't need US permission to buy Iranian oil, China has been buying for years not like some supa powa backed off at US whim. Arrogant bigots. Probably try to entice Iran to give up nuke program. Or US can try to sanction China of tariffs to 200% as the big mouth said, see what happens then, lol.

China did sign a bad tariff deal with the US though, but it's none of my business and I wish China the best.
I'm not saying Trump is right, but if that tweet is based on any reality whatsoever, it has only one logical implication as I said.

For example, we know that Iraq imports electricity from Iran with the US permission. Year after year, Iraq asks the US for permission to import electricity from Iran. India also asked the US for waivers to import Iranian oil. So, it makes me wonder if it's the same with China. I guess we will never know.

 

[mulj]

This is a 2-part question.

First, on 9/11, I watched quite a bit of live video of Muslims dancing in the streets when the towers feel. Including here in the US. What I don't remember seeing was official condemnation from Muslim nations. That's not to say it didn't happen. I just don't recall seeing it.

2nd question - yes, we do tend to be hypocritical. When it comes to capital punishment for murderers and baby rapers, we've got rent-a-mobs out there condemning it but when the pro-life crowd stands up for the unborn, the same rent-a-mobs decry it while shouting "Our body our choice".

Jews also danced but you did not bomb them

 

[Psyko70]

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Dont believe it. It was not even full scale war.

 

[Hayabusa]

Soil sampling. Already, surface discoloration hinted at different types of soil below the surface. So what make you think the US and/or Israeli spec-ops will not send in troopers to get soil sampling for further analysis and estimates of subterrain damages?

As a professional, I would have expected a more nuanced consideration. The notion that U.S. or Israeli special forces would undertake a high-risk infiltration into Iranian territory particularly near a highly sensitive site like Fordow-for the sole purpose of collecting soil samples is illogical.

 

[ety]

China did sign a bad tariff deal with the US though, but it's none of my business and I wish China the best.
I'm not saying Trump is right, but if that tweet is based on any reality whatsoever, it has only one logical implication as I said.

For example, we know that Iraq imports electricity from Iran with the US permission. Year after year, Iraq asks the US for permission to import electricity from Iran.

Lol, Trump and company can claim whatever they want. The fact is China is buying the vast amount of Iranian oil while there are US sanctions for the companies doing that, that's why 90% of your oil goes to China now. About tariffs, it's bad for both China and US, China also imposes equivalent tariffs on US products to the 50% US tariffs on China all together collected over the years on some products, not the Trump BS of only 10%.

 

[RealNapster]

Well, now that trump have allowed China to import oil from Iran. Pakistan can also now indirectly procure Iranian oil (from China).

1000+ oil tankers (purchased by China from Iran) daily move from Iran to Pakistan , and then never reaching China (as Pakistan buy it from China).

I am sure Pakistan will be able to save $4-5 billion every year.