Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[mulj]

What is JF-17 gonna do in front of F-15I,F-16I and F-35Is?

A lot for pin point defence with his launching capabilities of pl15, at minimum it can chase away attacking airplane, in more ideal scenario where it is networked with AWACS and AD it could take them down.

 

[ShapurII]

"Six of China's top 10 official sources of oil are in the Persian Gulf region — and that doesn't include Iran, which sends over 90 percent of its exported oil to China."


"HOW MUCH IRANIAN OIL DOES CHINA BUY? China buys roughly 90% of Iran's shipped oil, which has limited buyers due to U.S. sanctions aimed at cutting off funding to Tehran's nuclear programme."


https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/chinas-heavy-reliance-iranian-oil-imports-2025-06-24/#:~:text=HOW%20MUCH%20IRANIAN%20OIL%20DOES,funding%20to%20Tehran's%20nuclear%20programme.

And? How does that change the logical implication that China buys Iranian oil with the US permission?

 

[ety]

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China-Pakistan relations would never work had Pakistan had hostile relations with the US. So, apples and oranges.

Pakistan 's security is also a national security interest of China, both countries' securities are sort of intertwined, that's different from Iran.

 

[ety]

And? How does that change the logical implication that China buys Iranian oil with the US permission?

Lol, China doesn't need US permission to buy Iranian oil, China has been buying for years not like some supa powa backed off at US whim. Arrogant bigots. Probably try to entice Iran to give up nuke program. Or US can try to sanction China of tariffs to 200% as the big mouth said, see what happens then, lol.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

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Is he REALLY Iranian? He looks more jewish than Iranian.

 

[ShapurII]

Lol, China doesn't need US permission to buy Iranian oil, China has been buying for years not like some supa powa backed off at US whim. Arrogant bigots. Probably try to entice Iran to give up nuke program. Or US can try to sanction China of tariffs to 200% as the big mouth said, see what happens then, lol.

China did sign a bad tariff deal with the US though, but it's none of my business and I wish China the best.
I'm not saying Trump is right, but if that tweet is based on any reality whatsoever, it has only one logical implication as I said.

For example, we know that Iraq imports electricity from Iran with the US permission. Year after year, Iraq asks the US for permission to import electricity from Iran. India also asked the US for waivers to import Iranian oil. So, it makes me wonder if it's the same with China. I guess we will never know.

 

[mulj]

This is a 2-part question.

First, on 9/11, I watched quite a bit of live video of Muslims dancing in the streets when the towers feel. Including here in the US. What I don't remember seeing was official condemnation from Muslim nations. That's not to say it didn't happen. I just don't recall seeing it.

2nd question - yes, we do tend to be hypocritical. When it comes to capital punishment for murderers and baby rapers, we've got rent-a-mobs out there condemning it but when the pro-life crowd stands up for the unborn, the same rent-a-mobs decry it while shouting "Our body our choice".

Jews also danced but you did not bomb them

 

[Psyko70]

Dont believe it. It was not even full scale war.

 

[Hayabusa]

Soil sampling. Already, surface discoloration hinted at different types of soil below the surface. So what make you think the US and/or Israeli spec-ops will not send in troopers to get soil sampling for further analysis and estimates of subterrain damages?

As a professional, I would have expected a more nuanced consideration. The notion that U.S. or Israeli special forces would undertake a high-risk infiltration into Iranian territory particularly near a highly sensitive site like Fordow-for the sole purpose of collecting soil samples is illogical.

 

[ety]

China did sign a bad tariff deal with the US though, but it's none of my business and I wish China the best.
I'm not saying Trump is right, but if that tweet is based on any reality whatsoever, it has only one logical implication as I said.

For example, we know that Iraq imports electricity from Iran with the US permission. Year after year, Iraq asks the US for permission to import electricity from Iran.

Lol, Trump and company can claim whatever they want. The fact is China is buying the vast amount of Iranian oil while there are US sanctions for the companies doing that, that's why 90% of your oil goes to China now. About tariffs, it's bad for both China and US, China also imposes equivalent tariffs on US products to the 50% US tariffs on China all together collected over the years on some products, not the Trump BS of only 10%.

 

[RealNapster]

Well, now that trump have allowed China to import oil from Iran. Pakistan can also now indirectly procure Iranian oil (from China).

1000+ oil tankers (purchased by China from Iran) daily move from Iran to Pakistan , and then never reaching China (as Pakistan buy it from China).

I am sure Pakistan will be able to save $4-5 billion every year.

 

[Frogen]

All of these things have been tried, to be honest.

The truth is that all countries in the world prefer to comply with the US secondary sanctions because their reliance on the US economy is too much to ignore and the interests of having good economic ties with the US overshadows their economic ties with us.

A perfect example of this is the Iran-Pakistan-India gas pipeline that not only would've tied the national interests of the said countries together, but it could've even brought peace to the Pakistan-India relations due to energy ties. It was a major international project. We built our own side of the pipeline before 2015, but Pakistan had to abandon the project due to the US pressure.

China was offered to participate in the development of several multi-billion dollar projects in Iran. China abandoned all those projects. Again, as an example, Phase 11 of the South Pars gas field was offered to the Chinese but they didn't do anything for years and Iran had to eventually kick them out and develop it on our own. Iran needs to invest $200 billion dollars in our oil and gas industries, but the Chinese seem reluctant to participate in any of these projects due to US sanctions.

Yesterday, Trump tweeted that China now can buy oil from Iran. What does that tell you? To me, it says that the Chinese buy Iranian oil with the permission of the US. That's the only reasonable implication of that comment by Trump.

China-Pakistan relations would never work had Pakistan had hostile relations with the US. So, apples and oranges.

I don’t think China is particularly bothered by U.S. sanctions on Iran — at least not behind the scenes. After all, the daughter of Huawei’s founder was held under house arrest in Canada for two years due to Huawei’s dealings with Iran’s telecom system. That alone shows China is willing to take certain risks and face Western backlash when the cooperation with Iran serves its interests.

But like any rational actor, China’s cooperation with Iran has to be mutually beneficial. If the risks outweigh the potential gains, China may very well choose not to take on excessive political cost.

It’s also worth mentioning that Iran only restored diplomatic ties with Saudi Arabia in 2023. Before that, any close cooperation with Iran not only risked friction with the West, but also could have been misunderstood or viewed unfavorably by other Sunni-majority countries in the region.

From a Chinese perspective, both China and Russia have, in the past, made suggestions regarding Iran’s military development. But Iran seems to have strong confidence in its own defense capabilities. In fact, during the 2024 Xiangshan Forum, Iran’s Chief of Staff, Habibollah Sayyari, said in an interview with Chinese reporters: "Iran's domestic weapons fully meet our needs. Our systems are increasingly diverse. We've repeatedly said that we and other regional countries can guarantee the region's security. There's no need for outsiders to get involved." That says a lot about Iran’s lack of urgency when it comes to deeper military cooperation.

As for your point about Trump tweeting that China could buy oil from Iran — I think you're reading way too much into it. Trump said a lot of things on Twitter that didn’t reflect actual policy. No serious strategist would base national-level judgments on his tweets alone.

In fact, Trump threatened in March this year to impose a 25% tariff on all countries importing oil from Venezuela. And yet, according to a Reuters report from early June, Venezuela’s oil exports to China actually rose in May — around 584,000 barrels per day, up from 521,000 in April. Global exports remained steady at about 779,000 bpd. This shows that China, using tactics like obscuring the source, trans-shipping, and re-labeling, not only maintained but even increased its intake of Venezuelan oil.

The global strategic landscape has changed. Trump slapped tariffs on practically everyone, and at one point, U.S.–China tariffs reached over 100%. Do you really think China still loses sleep over U.S. tariffs? Not to mention China holds leverage with rare earth exports.

So rather than saying China is afraid of U.S. economic retaliation, I’d argue the more decisive factor is whether the partnership with Iran is truly profitable or strategically beneficial for China. After all, Russia has already been sanctioned to the extreme by the West — yet even Russia’s cooperation with Iran has remained limited.

 

[BonPlan]

Cry baby:
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He saved Iran....
It will be interesting to hear its ansmer after Iran detonated its first nuc in some months or years.
A shame. He really is an idiot.

 

[StrategicBear]

One point that has not been discussed on the bunker busters. By not using them, there was a deterrent effect that they could be used, if needed. Now that they were used and didn't work, that deterrent effect is gone. There will be no future "stick" to any future diplomatic "carrots" Washington may try to offer.

The emperor has no clothes......

 

[A1Kaid]

Congratulations to the Iranian people on a heroic and brave defense!

I know things are still tenuous but seeing images of Israel burn brought joy to many of us.