Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Pak-Warrior]

Iran's real threat is within

I fear there are many Mosad agents in Iran which are still in sleeper mode, As the time for their turn or the time when they had to play their role never came. Israel had planned certain objectives. If objectives A & B are secured then more agents will be activated to do the next job in order to take charge of the regime. But because initial objectives never completed that's why next tier of agents couldn't be activated. You never know how deep this goes. This was decades of planning.

I also suspect there is someone very high up in the ranks, as how come intel on top commanders and top scientists reached israel. Iran's main task now is to find that whole network. Whatever is visible and whatever is invisible that needs to be cracked open.

@Persian Gulf

 

[Agnostic Muslim]

Look at the videos leaked out of Israel -
Its been pulverised bro.
1 more week and it would have been rubble

Seeing some reports about the Israelis strictly enforcing ‘no coverage’ of Iranian damage inflicted on military and strategic sites.

I’ve also read multiple reports from Western news outlets interviewing different Israelis that they ‘know several families who have lost someone’.

The damage inflicted by Iran appears to have been significant.

 

[ShapurII]

And so, it's a child !!

It's a heinous hate crime against an 18-month old child.
The asshole saw that these people had fled Iran and made conclusions.
He thought they were Iranian because of their hijab and origin airport.
Pro-Zionist Jews are truly despicable, vile people.

 

[ShapurII]

Seeing some reports about the Israelis strictly enforcing ‘no coverage’ of Iranian damage inflicted on military and strategic sites.

I’ve also read multiple reports from Western news outlets interviewing different Israelis that they ‘know several families who have lost someone’.

The damage inflicted by Iran appears to have been significant.

Glad to see you're still here, bro.
You were one of my first Pakistani friends on the old PDF.

 

[Farhan23]

I wouldn't really say that. Israel has been using AI to target Hamas fighters since the beginning of the war.

it was AI drones example Turkey used swarm AI drones in Libya first and it does damage but it is like using normal drones not ground breaking..

AI is not ground breaking just yet and far from maybe a century from now.

but laser technology is next and it will change warfare more then drones has changed it and will change warfare drastically.

IMAGINE EVERY SOLDIER HAVING HIS OWN LASER AND CAPABLE OF DOWNING ANY FIGHTER JETS OR DRONES AT WILL.. The Air threat will be reduced to tank level.

warfare will completely change

 

[PakAl]

So, do you see the problem? You are contradicting yourself.
At some point you say that Iran needs to resolve its foreign policy issues, but then you say that it's impossible, then again move on to say that we should resolve our differences with the US. Do you see how complicated the issue is?

You are very gullible if you think it's about our "tone". You think China doesn't want to trade with Iran because some people chant death to America in Friday prayers? It's about US sanctions, not our tone. And the US hasn't sanctioned us for our tone, but because Iran is run by an anti-imperialist/anti-Zionist ideology. Do I agree with it 100%? No, but I am not a decision maker.

Because the only way we can resolve our issues with the US is to guarantee them that we will not act against their interests. Iran is not a super power for sure, but we are one of the richest countries in natural resources and fossil fuels. I'm sure if the US wants to resolve their issues with us, one of their conditions will be to ensure that we won't get too close to China as it is against their interests.

And your comment about India is really biased. We do not have a strategic partnership with India, but we do have a strategic partnership with China. We have a 25-year strategic partnership deal with China. China is simply not interested in deeper ties. As I said, at this point, the best we can do with China is to ask North Korea to act as a proxy between us, like in the Iraq-Iran war.

Not contradictory, alot of people on PDF claim Iran needs to improve it's airforce, and suggested Iran needs to imrove relations with China Pakistan in order to do this, the issue is China Pakistan cannot sell advance military equipment due to sanctions, including pressure from Usa Eu GCC, this is why I suggested Iran must find ways to tone down their anti west propaganda, try to get sanctions removed the least or else this will not take place, I suggested Iran nationalist/patriotic to rise up and do this, keep the mullahs on the backstage, this MAY reset the relations, however it doesn't mean suddenly you will become buddies with the usa and they will sell you advanced military weapons, even Egypt doesn't get them. Instead your pointing out oh if we had good relations with USA we wouldn't need China, making it out like Iran is some superpower and will recieve advance weapons. Regarding the slogans, what you fail to understand is when you openly threat Usa and it's daddy, then threated GCC, how can you expect sanctions to be removed or the situation to improve. They use your propaganda against you.

I understand it's complex, this is why different scenario are being discussed here. Iran keeps on getting trapped, if they continue the way they are, no advance weapons and may get attacked again, if somehow manages to tone down anti west, stay away from middleeast then just maybe they can do something, that is if the west takes off the targets on their back, another way is military takes the front and Ayatullahs on the back end. Then finally I gave my own opinion, which is west has Iran trapped and will topple them sooner. This may sound contradictory but it's not, at first I discussed different scenarios, then finally my own opinion, I maybe wrong.

 

[ShapurII]

Not contradictory, alot of people on PDF claim Iran needs to improve it's airforce, and suggested Iran needs to imrove relations with China Pakistan in order to do this, the issue is China Pakistan cannot sell advance military equipment due to sanctions, including pressure from Usa Eu GCC, this is why I suggested Iran must find ways to tone down their anti west propaganda, try to get sanctions removed the least or else this will not take place, I suggested Iran nationalist/patriotic to rise up and do this, keep the mullahs on the backstage, this MAY reset the relations, however it doesn't mean suddenly you will become buddies with the usa and they will sell you advanced military weapons, even Egypt doesn't get them. Instead your pointing out oh if we had good relations with USA we wouldn't need China, making it out like Iran is some superpower and will recieve advance weapons. Regarding the slogans, what you fail to understand is when you openly threat Usa and it's daddy, then threated GCC, how can you expect sanctions to be removed or the situation to improve. They use your propaganda against you.

I understand it's complex, this is why different scenario are being discussed here. At the moment we all are discussing different scenarios.

It's not about anti-West propaganda. It's about the ideological nature of our foreign policies. Egypt, Jordan and [P]GCC nations are completely OK with whatever Israel does in Palestine. Iran is not OK with what Israel is doing in Palestine for ideological reasons that are deeply rooted in Shiite Islam. Shiite Islam has some core ideas, one of them is the bloody uprising of Imam Hussein against tyranny, and the other is the active role of clergy in politics under the theory of Velayate-e Faqih. When you combine these two, you get a system where the clergy define your foreign policy like it is now.

I understand that you think we should change this, but the question is how? The system is inflexible, it resists any sort of change. The US, Israel and some Arabs want Iran destroyed. Iranians do not want Iran to turn into another failed state like Syria or Libya after a bloody revolution. The political system in Iran does not listen to the wish of Iranians. You think Iranian patriots and nationalists can change any of this in a short time?

As things are now, it is impossible for Iran to balance its relations with both the US and China at the same time. The US simply won't like an Iran that has amicable/strategic ties with China. You are talking about an ideal world where Iran is ruled by truly patriotic people that have come to power by a popular revolution and without foreign interference, as if Iran was an isolated island in a happy, quiet place. We don't have an independent alternative to the Islamic Republic now. The ideal situation is for younger minds, patriotic minds inside the IR, to take over the system in a coup, reset our relations with the US and make fundamental changes but it is unlikely to happen now that the country is in war.

 

[StrategicBear]

Right now the way I see it, many Mid-Tier countries are afraid of the USA because of it's overwhelming status as a Military and Economic Superpower.

Therefore I postulate the world will become more of a "free for all" where everyone can have more freedom of action if the US power both militarily and economically are Nerfed BIG TIME. How can that be accomplished? By devastating Natural Disasters like Yellowstone Supervolcano or New Madrid Megaquake, or both.

When the US has to worry about taking care of their survivors and regrouping as a nation they won't have time to care about events in Taiwan or the Middle East anymore, and everyone in every part of the world are free to settle their scores without US intervention.

It might get Chaotic, but like Sakyo from Yuyu Hakusho said, "A more chaotic world would be more fun to live in"...

 

[Mighty_Dragon_Strike]

Who do you think has access to facilites after striking? Not a ragtag agent he would obviously be killed but a ranked invididual within Iran military

(my reading, could be wrong!)
no, thats not the truth, had that been true though:

1. US would have known the precise location/weak points of Fordow
2. IR would not have blocked all the entry points of Fordow!

 

[Shags101]

Seeing some reports about the Israelis strictly enforcing ‘no coverage’ of Iranian damage inflicted on military and strategic sites.

I’ve also read multiple reports from Western news outlets interviewing different Israelis that they ‘know several families who have lost someone’.

The damage inflicted by Iran appears to have been significant.

Yeah it will days weeks or even month before such things will come out only thing newspapers are even allowed to acknowledge are residential building schools or hospitals that were hit zero mention of military or intelligence infrastructure hit Israel won’t even pretend to acknowledge that even with direct hits shown on video

 

[Aryan_B]

Iranians need to kick Indians now, work with Pakistan and China whatever it takes please please FFS produce some nukes asap and do a nuke test

I am not a recent convert to this I was arguing this on old pdf in 2011 and 2012 you can ask people on here that were on old pdf I was arguing and fighting with arrogant Iranians who thought they knew better and some donkey Pakistanis who sold their asses to Gulf states. You cant fight with your location both Pakistani and Iranian interests converge

If Iran continues on its trajectory with cow piss drinkers and no nukes get ready to welcome Shahs bastard son to come and rule you guys

 

[Shags101]

(my reading, could be wrong!)
no, thats not the truth, had that been true though:

1. US would have known the precise location/weak points of Fordow
2. IR would not have blocked all the entry points of Fordow!

Doesn’t mean they don’t have traitors within as much people who go abroad I am sure Israel has turned a couple with cash or blackmail

 

[ShapurII]

it was AI drones example Turkey used swarm AI drones in Libya first and it does damage but it is like using normal drones not ground breaking..

AI is not ground breaking just yet and far from maybe a century from now.

but laser technology is next and it will change warfare more then drones has changed it and will change warfare drastically.

IMAGINE EVERY SOLDIER HAVING HIS OWN LASER AND CAPABLE OF DOWNING ANY FIGHTER JETS OR DRONES AT WILL.. The Air threat will be reduced to tank level.

warfare will completely change

No, you didn't get it It's not about drones.

It's about target selection. Israel used AI for profiling Palestinians to decide where they should hit and who they should hit. They feed data they have collected on Palestinians to determine how dangerous a Palestinian person is, based on his activity on the internet and other sources of information they had collected on him.

It is an evil form of fascist-level inquisition that is done using modern tools. Also, companies like Microsoft are developing AI-powered goggles for helping American soldiers fight. It's been rumored that some of these goggles also use gamification strategies but it's just rumors at this point.

 

[mulj]

In my humble view USA influence in your country play a bigger role.
Pakistan ties with PGCC which have a tighter relation with India is a lot closer than it's relation with iran

My country is irrelevant and messy politically, no need for going over defensive mode over friendly suggestion.
As i said to your other country men, i wish you full success and best outcome in going alone mode.

 

[Shags101]

No, you didn't get it It's not about drones.

It's about target selection. Israel used AI for profiling Palestinians to decide where they should hit and who they should hit. They feed data they have collected on Palestinians to determine how dangerous a Palestinian person is, based on his activity on the internet and other sources of information they had collected on him.

It is an evil form of fascist-level inquisition that is done using modern tools. Also, companies like Microsoft are developing AI-powered goggles for helping American soldiers fight. It's been rumored that some of these goggles also use gamification strategies but it's just rumors at this point.

So I guess all Palestinians are dangerous definitely believe ai works but Israel targets the mass population regardless of whose a fighter or not they killed a thousand in a week promise you only a handful were fighters