Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Nuffle]

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The problem with non-Westerners are that you lack the understanding that they will NEVER allow you parity.

China is not only achieving parity but also using asymmetric means of force, which compensates for technological inferiority.

 

[Meengla]

If Khamenei still says no bomb then he is basically a dud, a totally incompetent person to understand the national security and geopolitical scenario and irresponsible TBH. He should be ignored by the hardcore elements of the revolution, sidelined or even replaced with a new leader. No leader is worthy enough to keep at the expense of a nation's sovereignty.

Regardless of the nukes debate, It is just too odd that a nation with many scientists and highly intelligent people have a religious cleric as the Supreme Leader who can veto the most rational, consensus based policies of the govt.
But their country, their system. Just sayin'

 

[Homajon]

If true, this is a very disturbing development.

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If that is true:

- Irans underground facilities (nuclear, missile or whatever) are designed to withstand a nuclear-bomb attack, so radiation on a far larger scale was taken into account when they were built.

- If depleted uranium was used on above ground targets, the question is: were they used because the targets could not otherwise be destroyed, or were they used to cause radiation so that it would be difficult for people to go back to these places, even though with the right protective suit it can be done. But can the contaminated devices be used again?

- If depleted uranium was used, how would not just Iran, but also Russia and China react in future? Would this give Russia the legitimation to use depleted uranium in Eastern Europe, and for China to use it in East Asia...

 

[ShapurII]

Regardless of the nukes debate, It is just too odd that a nation with many scientists and highly intelligent people have a religious cleric as the Supreme Leader who can veto the most rational, consensus based policies of the govt.
But their country, their system. Just sayin'

Believe me, it's only because we can't get rid of this stupid, outdated, incompetent system.

 

[ShapurII]

If that is true:

- Irans underground facilities (nuclear, missile or whatever) are designed to withstand a nuclear-bomb attack, so radiation on a far larger scale was taken into account when they were built.

- If depleted uranium was used on above ground targets, the question is: were they used because the targets could not otherwise be destroyed, or were they used to cause radiation so that it would be difficult for people to go back to these places, even though with the right protective suit it can be done. But can the contaminated devices be used again?

- If depleted uranium was used, how would not just Iran, but also Russia and China react in future? Would this give Russia the legitimation to use depleted uranium in Eastern Europe, and for China to use it in East Asia...

They use depleted uranium to penetrate into hardened targets, not to cause radiation.

Uranium has a high density and it is used to penetrate into armored vehicles or hardened targets.

DU in itself is not that radioactive but it could definitely be an environmental hazard if it's used in a populated area. It could cause health issues if DU particles are indigested or inhaled.

 

[Nuffle]

depth is not the issue now. none of them were successfully penetrated. so they are plenty deep. the issue is the limited number of entrances can be suppressed with air superiority.

so we need many more entrances to each base, with bulldozers stored inside the base to clear the rubble from the inside (not from the outside), and more launch methods

Increasing the range of missiles to be fired from further away should also be a consideration, opting for a large and large IRBM force.

 

[Hassan Al-Somal]

Iran did lose control over her airspace, in particular over her capital. There can be no denying that.

So serious investigations and actions need to be taken on that front. It seems that when Israel tried to penetrate the AD network externally during the TP1/2 responses, it came across a wall it could not overcome and hand to launch long rage ALBM's. So, Israel it seems to have decided to undermine the AD network from "within" Iran itself through special forces deployed into Iran, drones, spike missiles and agents etc. This approach proved to be very effective and it seems to have knocked out most of what was covering the North and North West of Iran and partially in the West. What Israel demonstrated was a dynamic approach to war doctrines and tactics ( which Iran struggled to demonstrate it seems ).

This raises the question of whether the core technology of Iran's AD network is actually quite good and effective as shown in TP1/2 and had it not been undermined internally within Iran as listed above, it could have actually fended off direct IAF attacks ?

Those Mossad agents who attacked Iran from within the Iranian territory are on the ropes now, and they're gradually dismantled. So if anything, it has exposed areas where there were weaknesses within the national defense plan, and they're being addressed.

Not only agents on the ground, but technology (i.e., WhatsApp, GPS, etc.) that allowed the Mossad agents to target Iran military leaders and nuclear scientists have been discontinued within Iran.

So within two weeks, it looks like Iran is catching up.

But there is something that is not getting attention: The infiltration of Iranian intelligence within Israel. The Iranian missiles were hitting Israeli military, intelligence, nuclear, and critical economic lifelines. It created a panic within Israel to the point where they had to impose a censorship for revealing any sites hit by Iranian missiles. Their Knesset had to pass a law to punish anyone who is caught recording any sites hit by Iranian missiles.

At the end, it was the belligerent aggressor (Israel) that sought a ceasefire through America. In other words, those Iranian punches kept coming without any defense countering them, & they (Israelis) had to run to their main backer (America) to get them out of the war. Iran delivered a technical knockout.

 

[ShapurII]

Those Mossad agents who attacked Iran from within the Iranian territory are on the ropes now, and they're gradually dismantled. So if anything, it has exposed areas where there were weakness within the national defense plan, and it is being addressed.

Not only agents on the ground, but technology (i.e., WhatsApp, GPS, etc.) that allowed the Mossad agents to target Iran military leaders have been discontinued within Iran.

So within two weeks, it looks like Iran is catching up.

It's not only software technology. We need to get rid of Western hardware too.
A backdoor can be implemented inside the architecture of a processor.

 

[Meengla]

but no news of other jets being destroyed or shot down. Seems like the Iranian Airforce moved them out into hangers and mountain bases and they did not engage much in the war after the first few days. Not sure what value those jets represent if they were not involved at all,

Iranians were very smart to not deploy their fighter jets. We saw just a glimpse of modern air warfare between India and Pakistan on May 7: Iran is way, way behind in catching up.

 

[Eşbah]

They send oil to Turkey which then sends it to Israel. Its not exactly a secret that Azerbaijan and Turkey is in bed with Israel.

During the war, Turkish airforce intercepted Israeli F-16s over Turkish airspace and ordered them to retreat.

At least, despite all the problems in Syria, Turks did something good. Thanks to people of Turkey.

Azerbaijan will taste it one way or other.

There's absolutely no proof that Azerbaijan was involved in this war. I get that there's a psychological urge to blame someone, but this has turned into pure propaganda.

As friendly as Baku is with Israel, Aliyev wouldn't do anything to jeopardize his hold on power. His whole approach to both domestic and international issues revolves around this key idea.

Launching drone strikes against Iran just to please Netanyahu? Not a chance. Direct your frustration towards the actual individuals in the Iranian government whose failures have dragged the country down in multiple ways.

Always remember, you can't say Azərbaycan without Türkiye and vice versa.

Focus on what matters right now. Build the bomb or get some sort of a deal that is good for the country, everything else is just waste of time.

 

[Nuffle]

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There is 0 doubt that Putin's loyalties lie with Israel.

I've been saying this for months now, and other users have too, when it comes to Israel, Putin and Russia are not to be trusted.

 

[coffee_cup]

After what happened in Iran, you should be. But it is fine if you are not because we want you to be fine.

When your country Vietnam was attacked and completely destroyed by the US, local fighters did not give up, they kept on fighting.

With all the traitors on US side, who later managed to move to America, USA still LOST that war.

Proves one thing, air superiority or high tech weapons alone can not win you wars. Iran will be fine!

 

[Qaraca]

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[Nuffle]

IDF statistics on Iranian missiles:

631 - missiles launched by Iran
500 - missiles reached Israel (79%)
257 - missiles targeted for interception
243 - missiles headed to 'open areas' (including air bases) and not targeted for interception
221 - missiles successfully intercepted (86% success rate)
36 - successful missile impacts that avoided interception (6% of missiles launched)
279 - total missile impacts in Israel (44% of missiles launched)

131 missiles failed?

 

[Meengla]

If that is true:

- Irans underground facilities (nuclear, missile or whatever) are designed to withstand a nuclear-bomb attack, so radiation on a far larger scale was taken into account when they were built.

- If depleted uranium was used on above ground targets, the question is: were they used because the targets could not otherwise be destroyed, or were they used to cause radiation so that it would be difficult for people to go back to these places, even though with the right protective suit it can be done. But can the contaminated devices be used again?

- If depleted uranium was used, how would not just Iran, but also Russia and China react in future? Would this give Russia the legitimation to use depleted uranium in Eastern Europe, and for China to use it in East Asia...

In barely over last 5 years, we have seen a lot of bloodshed in the world. A lot more than the previous several decades. Russia-Ukraine War, Azerbaijan-Armenia War, Israel-Gaza War, India-Pakistan War and just now Iran-Israel War.
And in most of those wars, there is a lot of talk of nuclear weapons. I am afraid someone will use nuke soon. Some hothead, some miscalculation, some accident, some pre-emptive strike. It is in human nature to consume something if it is available. The world is becoming a jungle and the old order is being rapidly destroyed.