Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

SABRE said:
Except of course nukes
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Back in the 1950s, the moment US and SK invaded into NK, a gigantic army from the north helped NK beat back the US Allied Forces.

The same "gigantic army" now poised to retake Taiwan back from the Separatists, the same army who will "Liberate the People" 😆
 
muhammed45 said:
Crush your opponent to a point that he begs for a ceasefire. Take the hits but deliver strong punches as many as you can.
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How can you do that if the thing that you are using to deliver a strong response itself is being destroyed because you have no control over your airspace? I dont think Iran's doctrine expected to lose control over her airspace as quickly as it did. Iran's launchers were being taken out by Israel every night and we saw the drop off in launches near the end.

Iran needs to deny Israel air superiority over its missile launchers so that it can "punish" the wicked, and evil Israel's and for that it needs to rebuild the portion of its IADS that was destroyed via the Spike missiles, drones and commando missions and it needs an airforce that can use to push the IAF back into Iraq. The combination of the IADS and AIrforce can do that.

Agree, that Irans military strategy was odd, it didn't really go for the jugular vein of Israel at any point. May 2-3 good strategic hits, otherwise rather pointless strikes. Is that because precision remains an issue, or because the Iranian military simply does not know how to wage a war. I think it is a big of both imho. Israel went hard for Irans jugular.. but at no point did or could Iran do that.

The objective you have stated is valid, but it cannot do that without rebuilding its IADS and complementing it with a credible air force that it never had before.

Time for calm heads, calculated decisions that need to be executed and for them to mature. As to whether Israel will allow for that is unknown despite all the bluster coming out of Tel Aviv right now. It is obvious that Israel could not have done this operation with the air-to-air refuellers of the UK, USA and Germany and possibly France also as well as the SIGINT of NATO Itself. Will these countries want to get involved in another Israeli operation given thar the first one failed in all of its objectives is an unknown.

I would be interested to see if/when the USA returns to its bases in Qatar, that will give you an indication if the USA is preparing more attacks via its proxy or not.
 
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Ali_Baba said:
How can you do that if the thing that you are using to deliver a strong response itself is being destroyed because you have no control over your airspace? I dont think Iran's doctrine expected to lose control over her airspace as quickly as it did. Iran's launchers were being taken out by Israel every night and we saw the drop off in launches near the end.

Iran needs to deny Israel air superiority over its missile launchers so that it can "punish" the wicked, and evil Israel's and for that it needs to rebuild the portion of its IADS that was destroyed via the Spike missiles, drones and commando missions and it needs an airforce that can use to push the IAF back into Iraq. The combination of the IADS and AIrforce can do that.

Agree, that Irans military strategy was odd, it didn't really go for the jugular vein of Israel at any point. May 2-3 good strategic hits, otherwise rather pointless strikes. Is that because precision remains an issue, or because the Iranian military simply does not know how to wage a war. I think it is a big of both. Israel went hard for Irans jugular.. but at no point did or could Iran do that.

The objective you have stated is valid, but it cannot do that without rebuilding its IADS and complementing it with a credible air force that it never had before.
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I don't disagree with the gist of your comment.

I don't think our armed forces expected Iran to lose control over our airspace so fast and we need to resolve this vulnerability, even though arguably it will be nearly impossible to do this in short term.

However, Iran's biggest missile launch and possibly the most successful one happened right before the ceasefire, disproving the idea that Iran's ability to launch missiles had been weakened considerably. The reason that Iran didn't fire 100 missiles per day during the war is mainly because there was no need to do so. We fired 250 missiles in the first 2 days of war and after that it was much easier for us to penetrate Israeli air defenses with fewer missiles and we no longer needed to fire large barrages of missiles to hit our targets.
 
ShapurII said:
Highly unlikely as Iran requires at least 10-12 months to replenish its missiles used in combat or its launchers.

And even the Americans admit that Iran has over 3,000 MRBMs. The real number is probably closer to 5,000-6,000. So, I don't think that wathe issue.
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That is too less, so far Iran fired 500 missiles, most of them were shot down, and Israel identified the locations of the launchers and destroyed, the claim is they destroyed 200 launchers, 100 AD systems, plus many missile factories. Before this war it was claimed Iran had 100,000 missiles. Imagine Iran runs out of missiles, what will it do, it cannot harm the zionists and zionists will treat Iran like Lebanon, Gaza and Syria.
 
PakAl said:
That is too less, so far Iran fired 500 missiles, most of them were shot down, and Israel identified the locations of the launchers and destroyed, the claim is they destroyed 200 launchers, 100 AD systems, plus many missile factories. Before this war it was claimed Iran had 100,000 missiles. Imagine Iran runs out of missiles, what will it do, it cannot harm the zionists and zionists will treat Iran like Lebanon, Gaza and Syria.
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Iran needs more hypersonic missiles.
 
PakAl said:
That is too less, so far Iran fired 500 missiles, most of them were shot down, and Israel identified the locations of the launchers and destroyed, the claim is they destroyed 200 launchers, 100 AD systems, plus many missile factories. Before this war it was claimed Iran had 100,000 missiles. Imagine Iran runs out of missiles, what will it do, it cannot harm the zionists and zionists will treat Iran like Lebanon, Gaza and Syria.
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Nobody claimed Iran had 100,000 MRBMs. Where do you get this idea? Missiles are not necessarily MRBMs.
Iran possibly has around 3,000 to 6,000 MRBMs. The exact number is of course confidential but there's evidence from both sides (Iran and the US) that this interval is probably close to reality.

What Israel claims is of little to no importance. They were beaten to the point of submission, forcing them to ask for a ceasefire to replenish their AD. Even Israel admits that they failed to intercept over 270 missiles, but they say they didn't intercept them because they weren't going to hit anything substantial, which is nonsense because there's ample video evidence that nearly all Iranian missiles hit Israeli territory and caused damage. Israel's success rate was about 44%. I wouldn't call 44% most of the missiles.

Iran won't run out of MRBMs anytime soon. Unless Israel accepts to be pounded for months with 50 MRBMs/day. The real player in this game is the US, not Israel. That is why Iran needs nuclear deterrence. Otherwise, the 12-day war can be repeated and Israel still won't achieve anything.
 
ShapurII said:
I don't disagree with the gist of your comment.

I don't think our armed forces expected Iran to lose control over our airspace so fast and we need to resolve this vulnerability, even though arguably it will be nearly impossible to do this in short term.

However, Iran's biggest missile launch and possibly the most successful one happened right before the ceasefire, disproving the idea that Iran's ability to launch missiles had been weakened considerably. The reason that Iran didn't fire 100 missiles per day during the war is mainly because there was no need to do so. We fired 250 missiles in the first 2 days of war and after that it was much easier for us to penetrate Israeli air defenses with fewer missiles and we no longer needed to fire large barrages of missiles to hit our targets.
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What can be done in the very short term is restoring western missile bases and unlocking the missiles and launchers inside it, spreading them to safe locations to avoid being blocked again

It should not take more than a week to do it (it's probably already done by now as it should be the top 1 priority)

Iran on the short term cannot secure the airspace besides bringing up the SAMs that were not active, but it can restore its firepower

Iran's missiles are fine, we still have a lot of launchers with some having been destroyed but so far no proof for the "400 launcher destroyed", we had not more than 10 IDF videos of launchers destroyed, and some of them were decoys with no secondary explosion

Another smart move Iran can do is to move K/K-4 and its launchers close to Pakistan/Afghanistan and fire them safely from there to Israel (they have 3000-4000km range so it's largely enough). Israel will have a hard time reaching to Pakistan border
 
tsunset said:
What can be done in the very short term is restoring western missile bases and unlocking the missiles and launchers inside it, spreading them to safe locations to avoid being blocked again

It should not take more than a week to do it (it's probably already done by now as it should be the top 1 priority)

Iran on the short term cannot secure the airspace besides bringing up the SAMs that were not active, but it can restore its firepower

Iran's missiles are fine, we still have a lot of launchers with some having been destroyed but so far no proof for the "400 launcher destroyed", we had not more than 10 IDF videos of launchers destroyed, and some of them were decoys with no secondary explosion

Another smart move Iran can do is to move K/K-4 and its launchers close to Pakistan/Afghanistan and fire them safely from there to Israel (they have 3000-4000km range so it's largely enough). Israel will have a hard time reaching to Pakistan border
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Israel is ridiculously exaggerating their success in destroying our missile launchers. There's no evidence to support that, other than bold claims by the IDF.

They have released a few videos, and many of them have been accused of being the same video edited to look different (different contrast, rotated angle, etc.)

The real issue for now is the chance of the US thinking about a ground invasion, or one of our Zionist-infiltrated or Zionist-controlled neighbors thinking about misadventures. Israel is a tiny entity 1,300 km far from Iran that will be put in their place again without much difficulty. The main issue now is the Trump administration and their willingness to enter the war on the behalf of the Zionists.
 
PakAl said:
How many can Iran build? 500, 1000, 2000. It will take a long time. Not sure what Iran can do without nukes to keep the enemies away.
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However difficult it may be, you have to try and make as many hypersonic missiles as you can. Having something is better than nothing. Either that or you will end up like the Palestinians in Gaza.
 
ShapurII said:
Israel is ridiculously exaggerating their success in destroying our missile launchers. There's no evidence to support that, other than bold claims by the IDF.

They have released a few videos, and many of them have been accused of being the same video edited to look different (different contrast, rotated angle, etc.)

The real issue for now is the chance of the US thinking about a ground invasion, or one of our Zionist-infiltrated or Zionist-controlled neighbors thinking about misadventures. Israel is a tiny entity that will be put in their place again without much difficult. The main issue now is the Trump administration and their willingness to enter the war on the behalf of the Zionists.
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Iran won and israel is massively lying as they ALWAYS do. IF israel was even REMOTELY successful they would still be attacking Iran and NOT calling for/agreeing to a ceasefire. Just ask the Palestinians in Gaza about israeli ceasefires.
 
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