Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[ShapurII]

This... and maybe not relevant, but this is why a country should be big, Imagine if these stupid tribal afghans didnt cut off eastern Iran.

Our problem is not strategic depth. Iran is a big country.
Our problem is Gonde-Goozi by a bunch of old, uneducated ideologues.
Why should you pick a fight with a nuclear state when you have no contingency plan?
What will the IR do if they use nukes on Iranian territory? or start to massacre Iranians like they did in the Evin prison?

 

[mangekyo]

Do we stand a chance? Realistically

 

[ShapurII]

Do we have a chance? Realistically

If the US joins the war and we have to fight on the ground, no.
If it turns into a regional war where our neighbors use this opportunity to invade us, no.

We cannot even transport our troops without an air force.
You can't just fire missiles 24/7 and think that it will somehow magically end the war.

There is not a single scenario that Iran can win this war without nuclear weapons. Not any that I could think of. The enemy is well-prepared. Round 2 is happening even sooner than we all expected.

 

[vmro]

We don't know what to expect from the most important weapon of IDF, internal traitors, traditionally most numerous with Kurdish and Afghan cadres, and probably some big Mr. Unknown in higher echelon...probably...

 

[PK781]

Forget about the Arabs nations, rather than defend themselves and their people against israeli/zionist genocide, they would rather worship the white european racist colonialists. They are a lost and lowly people.

What you said is absolutely true, and there are MANY in most countries that want to do the same. They all wanna follow and want to be like the europeans and americans. Even many Pakistanis, the ones inside Pak are usually impressed by the americans in every way......

 

[vmro]

You can't just fire missiles 24/7 and think that it will somehow magically end the war.

If you manage to get it in 24/7 mode, not necessarily 7 but just few days punching with more capable models, it will end the war for sure, maybe will even end Israel as we know it today...

 

[PK781]

If the US joins the war and we have to fight on the ground, no.
If it turns into a regional war where our neighbors use this opportunity to invade us, no.

We cannot even transport our troops without an air force.
You can't just fire missiles 24/7 and think that it will somehow magically end the war.

There is not a single scenario that Iran can win this war without nuclear weapons. Not any that I could think of. The enemy is well-prepared. Round 2 is happening even sooner than we all expected.

While the nuclears are great addition......lets not forget that plenty of wars by many have been won without that too.
How did Vietnam, Cambodia, Afghanistan manage to defeat usa?

The path is straight-forward. Believe and have faith in Almighty Allah SWT. If you follow him and be as much on the true path, Victory would be yours......but that requires faith and determination. I'm sure the Iranians can do that, if they're true and honest with themselves and the nation.

"agar momin ho, to tum hi ghalib ho" Allah SWT says in the Quran. (urdu translation)

 

[Persian Gulf]

You can't just fire missiles 24/7 and think that it will somehow magically end the war.

here I slightly disagree in the Iran-Israel context

if we could fire 100+ missiles per day and these missiles had < 10m CEP accuracy, it would be a major factor that could help us cripple Israel and make peace

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

What you said is absolutely true, and there are MANY in most countries that want to do the same. They all wanna follow and want to be like the europeans and americans. Even many Pakistanis, the ones inside Pak are usually impressed by the americans in every way......

That maybe but Pakistan would not support the americans, europeans and israelis in attacking the Palestinians in Gaza and help commit a genocide. arabs would.

 

[shapurzolaktaf]

Do we stand a chance? Realistically

Ofcourse we do!
Why so negative bro? Israel is very small, they can't afford long war, the cost is just extremely high for them, also they're naturally cowards. Their defence systems are depleted, even American ones will become depleted. Logistics is a nightmare for them. Iran will devestate them if they act stupid again.

 

[ShapurII]

If you manage to get it in 24/7 mode, not necessarily 7 but just few days punching with more capable models, it will end the war for sure, maybe will even end Israel as we know it today...

It's not Israel that is after us. It's the United States. Israel is just the US proxy in this war to achieve their goals with zero/minimal casualties.
Then Trump can claim victory without having killed American soldiers. It's foolish to think that this is an Israel-Iran war. It's without a doubt a US-Iran war and it's been in the making for 20 years.

While the nuclears are great addition......lets not forget that plenty of wars by many have been won without that too.
How did Vietnam, Cambodia, Afghanistan manage to defeat usa?

The path is straight-forward. Believe and have faith in Almighty Allah SWT. If you follow him and be as much on the true path, Victory would be yours......but that requires faith and determination. I'm sure the Iranians can do that, if they're true and honest with themselves and the nation.

"agar momin ho, to tum hi ghalib ho" Allah SWT says in the Quran. (urdu translation)

The US was not defeated militarily in Vietnam.
When did Afghanistan defeat the US? Have we lived in the same universe?
The US helped the Taliban come to power, ousted them to replace them with a corrupt regime, then handed over Afghanistan to the Taliban again.

here I slightly disagree in the Iran-Israel context

if we could fire 100+ missiles per day and these missiles had < 10m CEP accuracy, it would be a major factor that could help us cripple Israel and make peace

The same thing as I said above. This is not a war with Israel. Israel is just the proxy.
Trump has a lot of white supremacists around him. If you join white supremacist websites and channels, their ideal world is the world where Jews and Muslims annihilate each other.

 

[shapurzolaktaf]

It's not Israel that is after us. It's the United States. Israel is just the US proxy in this war to achieve their goals with zero/minimal casualties.
Then Trump can claim victory without killing a single US soldier. It's foolish to think that this is an Israel-Iran war. It's without a doubt a US-Iran war.


The US was not defeated militarily in Vietnam.
When did Afghanistan defeat the US? Have we lived in the same universe?
The US helped the Taliban come to power, ousted them to replace them with a corrupt regime, then handed over Afghanistan to the Taliban again.


The same thing as I said above. This is not a war with Israel. Israel is just the proxy.

Dont forget trump approval rate is already declining. Attacking Iran and being slave to AIPAC is starting to divide republicans, internal situation of US could become worse, some new developments like Zohran Mandani, a social-democrat Shia muslim could become mayor of New York, Trump know risking a war for zionists could devestate his reputation worldwide and even among his backers and could cost trillions (people voted for him to stop never-ending-wars).
And ofcourse, we have ways to defend ourselves, the region could burn in a case of war since they support a potential genocide against Iranians like how they support a genocide against Palestinians.

 

[ShapurII]

Dont forget trump approval rate is already declining. Attacking Iran and being slave to AIPAC is starting to divide republicans, internal situation of US could become worse, some new developments like Zohran Mandani, a social-democrat Shia muslim could become mayor of New York, Trump know risking a war for zionists could devestate his reputation worldwide and even among his backers and could cost trillions (people voted for him to stop never-ending-wars).
And ofcourse, we have ways to defend ourselves, the region could burn in a case of war since they support a potential genocide against Iranians like how they support a genocide against Palestinians.

It's more complicated than that.
It's not AIPAC that controls the US. The US is an evil, soulless, capitalist empire based on the values of White Anglo-Saxon Protestant Christians for the most part.
Jews do have a tremendous amount of influence in there, but it's not all of it.

The mayor of New York, even the Governor of the New York State, have no power to stop the US war on Iran. The Senate voted not to limit Trump's power in declaring war to Iran. So, Trump can basically do whatever he wants now and since the Republicans control both the Senate and the Congress, nothing will stop him.

 

[vmro]

And no one of the neighbors will invade Iran... Turkey, Pakistan and Iraq for sure, is not impossible to get fight against Baku-Yerevan military coalition, while Afghanistan is wild card, as always...

Their apocalyptic assault and crush of Safavids is incredibly damaging to Iranian state and development, till this days, only fortune moment and avoiding unreasonable collapsed end of Iran, then, was one of the all-time military genius, Nader Shah....

Now Iranian border with Afghanistan is still somewhat vulnerable, with millions Afghans in Iran, and taliban government...omg...

For Turkey and Pakistan is impossible because border zones between this states can't be clearly understand from political geographic maps... those zones are not friendly for any state, so Turkey could take more of Kurdistan, and Pakistan could govern with entire Balochi population...

For Iraq 3 sides must be agreed with every details, so bigger chances are to get civil war there than war on Iran...

There is a reason why Turkish Iranian borderline is roughly the same for 5 centuries, and there is no major conflict between them last centuries...

 

[shapurzolaktaf]

It's more complicated than that.
It's not AIPAC that controls the US. The US is an evil, soulless, capitalist empire based on the values of White Anglo-Saxon Protestant Christians for the most part.
Jews do have a tremendous amount of influence in there, but it's not all of it.

The mayor of New York, even the Governor of the New York State, have no power to stop the US war on Iran. The Senate voted not to limit Trump's power in declaring war to Iran. So, Trump can basically do whatever he wants now and since the Republicans control both the Senate and the Congress, nothing will stop him.

A shia axis will defeat them, it will become a holy war and hopefully we open the gates of Persian gulf and Jordan, at least our missiles. This is not some fantasy, this could happen.