Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

Nobody has surrendered because nobody was even in war.. Just a little enclave fiefdom launched an attack and still fighting..

This is not the era of wars this is what majority of you folks with LOW IQ fail to understand.. Why do you think the world is not going at it full scale?

Why doesn´t China just launch an offensive to take all the world or why is India-Pakistan not engaging in Nuke war all out. What is NATO waiting for why don´t they just launch the offensive on Russia that we will know is gonna happen?

The world is waiting and building up for the eventual crash of the economy that is when you will see everyone fight and I mean the entire world and it is approaching soon and wouldn´t it be dumb to fight before the showdown and when you are not even ready?

What throwing some fuking rockets at someone who is heavily armed that is just stupid. The Sunnis are smarter they have experience and they have been thru 2 golden ages they know geo-politics and the timing of things
So you mean the Western and American soldiers stationed on occupied lands are just there on holiday? What about their ships? Their defense systems are deployed all over the Middle East, surrounding them — is that also part of their ‘holiday’? American and British soldiers are mostly (99%) stationed on Sunni lands. Even the U.S. Embassy in Islamabad is bigger than Pakistan’s parliament building.
 
So you mean the Western and American soldiers stationed on occupied lands are just there on holiday? What about their ships? Their defense systems are deployed all over the Middle East, surrounding them — is that also part of their ‘holiday’? American and British soldiers are mostly (99%) stationed on Sunni lands. Even the U.S. Embassy in Islamabad is bigger than Pakistan’s parliament building.

This is stupidity.. Singepore has base in the US does that mean Singepore controls the US?

Pakistan has a base in Saudi Arabia does that mean we control it. China has a base in Djibouti does that make them control.

You must understand what it means for someone to lease a base for you. For these who are allies for the US. 99% Completely rubbish. They have only Base in GCC, Turkey, Iraq, Syria, Jordan and Egypt..

You think someone has base there it means he has relocated his entire armed forces and navy into that land... 3m US forces in a base lmao.

With just one order these bases are closed and shut down. It only symbolizes alliance
 
Azerbaijan is a artificial state without a function - however we can see now that their only function is to empower Israel in the region.

They are Shia-Turks but the people are more philo-Russian than pro-Turkey and they hate the Shia World.

Turkey and Iran should share Azerbaijan like Germany and the USSR did with Poland.

I personally appreciate your straightness .
 
To understand the future impact of the conflict between Iran and Israel, it is necessary to analyze the information received, which relates to the following:

The United States spent THAAD munitions in Israel at a cost of $2 billion, and the total number of Israeli air defense missiles fired reached 800, i.e. 1.5 times the number of Iranian missiles launched.

Israel stored Israeli fighter jets at Greek air bases to ensure their survival from Iranian strikes.

There are rumors that Israeli fighter jets may also be launching from American bases in Iraq, although this is not entirely confirmed. However, the next round may occur, as the Iraqi government has no real authority over its territory.

Although Trump wants to deliver B-2 bombers to Israel for use in striking Iran, there are disasters related to this bomber, not only the cost, but also its combat readiness rate in the United States, which was 50%. America lost 50% of its stockpile of GBU-57 bombs, making it more of a media deterrent.

Iranian proxies Most of them were destroyed in Lebanon, Iraq, and Syria, of course, which caused Iran to lose these arms, on which it spent tens of billions of dollars.

This contradicts what the United States and Israel are promoting, that Israel is a power that will dominate the Middle East. However, if Israel sustains similar strikes while neutralizing Israeli air defenses, its losses will be much greater after testing the capabilities of Iranian missiles, which can be doubled in a short time, unlike the process of building up Iranian air defense systems and the Air Force.

Perhaps it would be more effective for the Iranians to convert their old fighters to UCAVs. First, the possibility of converting them more quickly and without losing pilots would also be a significant factor, whether that be exhausting Israeli air defenses or leaving them as easy targets for Israeli aircraft.

Iran must provide an Iranian layer of missile power by providing missile launches from naval platforms. The results of the strikes should be analyzed to determine what Iran needs to maximize the destructive capabilities of its weapons against Israel and what can be implemented to inflict heavy losses on Israel.

It is believed that Iran will double the number of platforms. It is trying to obtain ballistic missiles from non-Iranian sources, in addition to accelerating domestic production.

Iran needs to provide better drones capable of penetrating Israeli airspace and bypassing Western aircraft in Iraq, Jordan, and Syria.

Iran must work to neutralize the Gulf states from supporting Israel. Saudi Arabia has used AWACS aircraft to provide radar detection of Iranian missiles and drones launched from Iran, which cross Iraqi and Jordanian airspace, providing information to Israel. Therefore, Saudi Arabia is considered a key partner of Israel, and what is being said about Saudi Arabia applies to Qatar and the UAE.

Therefore, carefully analyzing all the results of this short period and working to maximize Iran's available capabilities will not lead to Iran winning, which is difficult, but at the very least, any victory for Israel and the Gulf will be costly and taste like defeat.
 
Even if true, which a lot of people are disputing, wouldn't Iranian pilots need time to train on these jets?

I don't know how long Pakistani pilots trained on them before using them in combat.

First induction was Mar 2022? First combat in 2025. 6 months of training for the pilots in China first. Getting those pilots fully combat operational would have taken a lot longer of course.
 
Is Pakistan ready to take on NATO today?? Be honest? Do you think China can take on NATO alone today or Do you think Russia can? Do you think Peninsula shield + Egypt, Jordan and Pakistan can take on NATO today?

The answer is no.. Perhaps years down the road the gap might close.

Besides this is not the age for wars. Sun tzu said every war is won before it begins meaning wars are won in the preparation stage before any bullet is fired
if only more writing could ever solve problems!

every body (mostly Pakistanis) feel the need to say 'already understood' things!

ephemeral, cold boil-(ish) and 'transitory/momentary' thinking ability...

as if, we are obligated to 'read' these posts!
 
Speculative Thought, may be I played too many Call of Duty games

Based on presence
  • Awacs (Look out for any interceptors coming after Refuellers)
  • Navy (Sea to Air missile protection)
  • Refuller

The presence of Refuel craft from UK/US , Awacs

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Some refueling and reconnaissance flights were in Iraq and the Persian Gulf before the Israeli strikes, so this route is the most likely
 


This is the "people" we are dealing with, with full support of NATO, Arabs and Turkey
 



I disagree, this can actually make, penetration into IR a lot easier and even more deadlier!

Zion. entity has strong connections every where!

This is Iran's lack of strategic vision. Syria was a non-permissive air corridor for the IAF even after it destroyed 1/3 of all Assad's SAM systems over the years, but even then, it prevented freedom of action and free access to Syrian airspace which now under the Turkish/American/Saudi puppet is even more free of action.

The only option for Iran is to rebuild and reorganize its Air Defense (IADS and Air Force) and inevitably become a latent or full nuclear state.
 

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