Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

Kyussis said:
You do realize that he along with many of the commanders in the IRGCASF were martyred on the first day in a surprise attack, right? His forces were in disarray and all the major bases in the west of Iran had their entrances damaged, effectively preventing them to participate in the counter attacks.
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Honestly, I am absolutely OK with the performance of our ballistic missiles.
They had 3 large scale attacks. The first two were to deplete Israeli air defense and the last one was to end the war before ceasefire. I think even 50 MRBMs/day is an excellent average for 12 days. Many countries in our region, and even in the world, do not have a total of 50 MRBMs to begin with.

However, our drones performed extremely poorly. We fired only a few drones and all of them except for one or two were intercepted. Our drone technology performed extremely poorly in the war, particularly in terms of quantity, which was supposed to be our advantage in the war.
 
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ShapurII said:
I don't know. Why don't you tell us? My good guess is that each missile base has 4-5 entrances at least. And we probably have over 30 underground missile bases.

But remember, one B-2 can be used multiple times, unlike missiles.
So, even if Israel is given only 3 B-2s, as long as none has been shot down, they can reuse it as many times as they need. The US has produced at least 20 GBU-57s, but they can produce more if they want to.
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Lets say Israel has 3 B-2s with infinite GBU-57s. Lets say Iran has 30 bases with 4 entrances each totaling in 120 targets. How long is the flight time for each mission? last time they flew 37hours. Sure B-2s are reusable but they need to undergo regular maintenance cycles, which means that they cannot fly bombing sorties back to back without down time. Iran will pummel Israel to ash and powder before the B-2s can take out Iran's missile bases. Israel will need years to build up its Anti ballistic air defense to where it was on June 12. The U.S used up 20% of its THAAD inventory that they had built since before 2008 in just 12 days!
 
ShapurII said:
Honestly, I am absolutely OK with the performance of our ballistic missiles.
They had 3 large scale attacks. The first two were to deplete Israeli air defense and the last one was to end the war before ceasefire. I think even 50 MRBMs/day is an excellent average for 12 days. Many countries in our region, and even in the world, do not have a total of 50 MRBMs to begin with.

However, our drones performed extremely poorly. We fired only a few drones and all of them except for one or two were intercepted. Our drone technology performed extremely poorly in the war, particularly in terms of quantity, which was supposed to be our advantage in the war.
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Our drones have to fly 1200km minimum over hostile airspaces just to reach Israel!
 
What this shows is that this whole "Axis of Resistance" is a farce. North Korea and Iran supplied Russia and helped as much as they could but neither Russia nor China lifted a finger, more interested in preserving their relations with Israel and the Arab states and not really offering anything of significance other than statements.

Nothing came of the Iranian foreign minister's meeting in Moscow, after the US bombed Iran. No offers of Air Defense or any military equipment as of yet. Iran may have better luck with North Korea, but it hasn't really nurtured that relationship for some reason. No visits from Kim Jong Un to Iran, like he visits Moscow or Beijing. I think thats a failure on Iran's part.
 
I highly doubt Israel will attempt to do a repeat of the "12 day war" ever again. Majority of their intelligence cards have been burnt and they have seen that they cannot suppress Iranian SSMs despite every effort. The Threat I see going forward will be from a protracted proxy war where Israel will use the Republic of Azerbaijan, Kurdish separatists and Salafist Jihadis to "balkanize" Iran and have the IAF providing Air cover from bases in Syria, Azerbaijan and other neighboring states. Israel bombed many locations in western Iran including Army bases to soften Iran up during the "12 day war".
 
muhammed45 said:
The opportunist poster is here.

Go ahead with your bullshit.
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Why are you so defensive, I'm just pointing out the obvious, that Russia and China didn't offer anything significant outside of words. China its to be expected, they are cautious in their foreign policy and never commit significantly, Russia though, its a real betrayal, considering how much Iran helped them, but they didn't do anything to preserve their relationship with Israel and the Arab states. In many ways this also shows the mistakes Iran has made in not courting North Korea, the fact that Kim Jong Un has made foreign trips to Moscow and Beijing but never Tehran is a shortcoming on Iran's part. It's also proving a point in that none of these states are an "Axis of Resistance", and that only Nuclear weapons would be a deterrent, not any sort of hope in Russia or China.
 
Kyussis said:
I highly doubt Israel will attempt to do a repeat of the "12 day war" ever again. Majority of their intelligence cards have been burnt and they have seen that they cannot suppress Iranian SSMs despite every effort. The Threat I see going forward will be from a protracted proxy war where Israel will use the Republic of Azerbaijan, Kurdish separatists and Salafist Jihadis to "balkanize" Iran and have the IAF providing Air cover from bases in Syria, Azerbaijan and other neighboring states. Israel bombed many locations in western Iran including Army bases to soften Iran up during the "12 day war".
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The first Chechen/Uyghur that will enter Iran will be beheaded by locals, giving them a taste of their own culture
 
hyperman said:
No visits from Kim Jong Un to Iran, like he visits Moscow or Beijing. I think thats a failure on Iran's part.
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Thats because the guy is scared shit to fly. He travels by train, the only time I think he flew was to meet Trump in SG. So it's highly unlikely he travels to Iran.

He can get to Moscow and Beijing by train.
 
Kyussis said:
Our drones have to fly 1200km minimum over hostile airspaces just to reach Israel!
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IRGC has issued announcements that its 1500 odd drone attacks launched in waves over the fortnight were highly successful. Good percentage broke thru and hit their targets.
 
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When this all settles and done, it will be clear to everyone that Iran has mobbed the that rapid dog aka Israel plus all of their supporters to the floor in that 12-day war. The Israeli child killers are not even allowing their media to visit all of their sensitive sites that those magnificent Iranian missiles hit.
 
hyperman said:
Why are you so defensive, I'm just pointing out the obvious, that Russia and China didn't offer anything significant outside of words. China its to be expected, they are cautious in their foreign policy and never commit significantly, Russia though, its a real betrayal, considering how much Iran helped them, but they didn't do anything to preserve their relationship with Israel and the Arab states. In many ways this also shows the mistakes Iran has made in not courting North Korea, the fact that Kim Jong Un has made foreign trips to Moscow and Beijing but never Tehran is a shortcoming on Iran's part. It's also proving a point in that none of these states are an "Axis of Resistance", and that only Nuclear weapons would be a deterrent, not any sort of hope in Russia or China.
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First they group the four countries as Axis of Evil, now Axis of Resistance to suit their whim.
 
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