Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[OldTwilight]

I saw pezeshkian (peshkelian) interview with Tucker Carlson, I would give him a 3 out of 10. It was more like Tucker Carlson found some random guy out of the mosque or some tea server and asked him for an interview.

This guy (Pezeshkian) thinks by repeating and screaming the word "peace" as much as possible during 30 minutes interview gives more weight to his speech.

For example he didnt name JCPOA contract, that trump stepped out of the deal, that we got our scientists martyred and nuclear facilities sabotaged.

He didnt mention any statistics, like Iran is the most controlled state when it comes to IAEA, or the history of Iran and IAEA (working together since the 50s)
He didnt mention the role of Iranians in USA, their education level.
He didnt mention anything about the coup against Mossadeq.

He's a panturkist that infiltrated the systems through anti-nationalist filters (guardian council) and I'm asking myself if he's deliberately acting this weak.

When he was just a minister Parliament saw him as not worthy for 2 times ......
The Enginering of Election by Guardian Council bite I.R in worst possible time ...

 

[nang2]

The J-10 platform that was pitched to Iran in 2020 was J-10A with a pulse-doppler radar and the Chinese wanted cash. It was simply an unattractive deal for Iran.

Since China has been buying Iranian oil for years, I wouldn't say cash is a hard requirement.

 

[OldTwilight]

only problem is they would have been j10a with a mechanical pulse dopler radar with older generation avionics, without any stealth feature, with older less reliable ws-10 engine that only could use pl-8 and PL-11 instead of PL-10 and PL-15 without integrated sensors and battlefield awareness

those planes had zero chance against Israeli aircrafts

If rouhani really stopped that purchase , he must lauded as a hero.
why the way rouhani had nothing to do with stopping that purchase it was air-force who said we don't want it

We had 2 choice :

1- Buying J10A with cash and without any joint production and without ability to upgrade fighter and doing any change in subsystems unless China gave permission (they even didn't let us Upgrade J7s)...
2- Buying Su35 without paying in cash and with Joint Production and with full control on subsystems and platform ...

Well , the choice is obvious ...

Side note: we have history of being first or one of first customer(s) of many Chinese products, from their cars to Oil Tanker ( in fact they started their Oil Tanker production by getting first orders from Iran ).
In all case after using Iran as test subject, they ditched Iran when they got more advanced and found new market or customer and didn't sell their goods to us anymore ... Their best car makers stop doing business with us after they used Iran as test subject and gained experienced in Iran, the moment they could enter new markets they stop business with us completely , their Cellphone makers did some to us and even right now they don't allow Iranians to even create an account for their Cellphone while even South Korea and USA allow Iranian to make account in their platforms!!!

 

[OldTwilight]

Since China has been buying Iranian oil for years, I wouldn't say cash is a hard requirement.

When they don't want to sell anything to us , they ask for payment in $ not in Yuan !!!

 

[nang2]

When they don't want to sell anything to us , they ask for payment in $ not in Yuan !!!

Iran never accepts Yuan payment. So, Iran never has any Yuan anyway. Why asked Iran for something it doesn't have?

I think you guys are doing too much rationalization.

 

[OldTwilight]

One of best supporter of Pezeshkian :

 

[OldTwilight]

I.R dont want to accept her defeat, so it can not improve



This guy is saying that Iran never asked for buying Su35 and all talk about Su-35 is farce, no contract is signed.
And Government can veto any military purchase because they can simply not pay for it.

Pezeshkian government remove military part of Iran-Russia Strategic Treaty, so Russia was not obligate to help Iran because we refused to honor our part of treaty ...

 

[OldTwilight]

Iran never accepts Yuan payment. So, Iran never has any Yuan anyway. Why asked Iran for something it doesn't have?

I think you guys are doing too much rationalization.

You don't pay us anything ... our merchants are allowed to buy only things your government allow them to buy with oil money because your banks have to approve payment to Chinese side ....
see, asking $ for paying is simply a disgusting scenario played by China...

 

[nang2]

You don't pay us anything ... our merchants are allowed to buy only things your government allow them to buy with oil money .... see, asking $ for paying is simply a disgusting scenario played by Russia ...

China buys Iranian oil. China doesn't pay? What are you? philanthropist? If China pays with Yuan, then Iran would be able to use Yuan to buy Chinese goods, wouldn't it?

 

[OldTwilight]

China buys Iranian oil. China doesn't pay? What are you? philanthropist? If China pays with Yuan, then Iran would be able to use Yuan to buy Chinese goods, wouldn't it?

Yes, you don't pay us in traditional manner, basically we are selling our oil on discount as loans ... you pay money as YUAN in your own bank, and we only can buy from you!!!

Then why you ask Dollars as payment medium not Yuan for fighter!? because you really don't want to sell but want to play smart: " we offered them to Iran, Iran refused to buy "

 

[nang2]

Yes, you don't pay us in traditional manner, basically we are selling our oil on discount as loans ... you pay money as YUAN in your own bank, and we only can buy from you!!!

Then why you ask Dollars as payment medium not Yuan for fighter!? because you really don't want to sell but want to play smart: " we offered them to Iran, Iran refused to buy "

I am not aware that China is paying Iran with Yuan. Do you have any evidence for that? I think China is paying Iran with either dollar or euro. I think Iran probably prefers the latter.

Actually, there is. This is from BBC in 2012: https://www.bbc.com/news/business-17988142

Another one here: https://infofinance.com/en/news/chi...-here-s-how-and-why-that-s-unlikely-to-change

However, if Iran has a Yuan account in Beijing, I don't understand why China would force dollar payment. It is not like China needs dollars.

 

[Rational Philosopher]

I don't think they are trying to destroy underground nuclear sites, Netanyahu seems to have some sort of delusion of wanting to turn Iran into Dahiya.

Iran is way too big to use the Dahiya doctrine.

 

[nang2]

Yes, you don't pay us in traditional manner, basically we are selling our oil on discount as loans ... you pay money as YUAN in your own bank, and we only can buy from you!!!

Then why you ask Dollars as payment medium not Yuan for fighter!? because you really don't want to sell but want to play smart: " we offered them to Iran, Iran refused to buy "

Nay, that wouldn't be smart since even a 3-year old can see through it. China has been promoting the use of Yuan. Doing the opposite would make no sense.

 

[OldTwilight]

I am not aware that China is paying Iran with Yuan. Do you have any evidence for that? I think China is paying Iran with either dollar or euro. I think Iran probably prefers the latter.

Actually, there is. This is from BBC in 2012: https://www.bbc.com/news/business-17988142

Another one here: https://infofinance.com/en/news/chi...-here-s-how-and-why-that-s-unlikely-to-change

However, if Iran has a Yuan account in Beijing, I don't understand why China would force dollar payment. It is not like China needs dollars.

All money goes to Chinese bank, Then Iranian merchants are allowed to buy only non-sanction products from China ... if Iran want to get money as euro, we should pay very high conversation rates to Chinese bank. in practice, China is in control of the money.

 

[OldTwilight]

Very hard strike by Iran (reformist) against China and Russia ...
when China and Russia asked Iran to not accept Snapback mechanism (and they will support Iran to remove it) in JCPOA , Zarif and Rouhani didn't accept their offer ... Pezeshkian government remove the military part of Iran-Russia strategic treaty ...