Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[gambit]

This air superiority narrative isn't entirely accurate. Only NATO and USA can do that over Iran.

Israel used its sleeper cells to cause chaos and then was able maintain an impressive sortie rate with help from western air refueling aircraft and also the British base in Cyprus.

Am an Air Force guy, F-111 (Cold War) then F-16 (Desert Storm), and I will be honest but blunt -- that your argument is irrelevant.

The Israelis knows theirs and Iran's limitations. The next US administration may turn on them, so for now, they will exploit every advantage they can find. Together, the US and Israel set Iran's nuclear ambitions back in terms of years, not months, and within those years both can create additional blockages for Iran's future nuclear ambitions.

For example...How stable is the soil around those sites? Do YOU have any idea on how explosions weakens soil integrity that have been built up over centuries if not millenia? For all practical purposes, those sites are done.

What you are doing is satisfying personal grievances by pointing out Israelis flaws. Makes YOU feel better going to sleep at nights. That is not how the US and Israelis works. I know from personal experience that we, the US military, focuses more on our flaws than our strengths. The Israelis are no different.

Here is what I have been telling this forum since '09...

Air Dominance. The ability of an air force to compel other air forces to re-array themselves, and usually into subordinate postures.

Air Superiority. The ability of an air force to achieve control of contested airspace, repeatedly if necessary, and if there are losses, those losses would not pose a statistical deterrence to that ability.

Air Supremacy. He flies, he dies.

Israel has at least Air Superiority over Iran. Simple as that. And as long as Donald Trump is in office. In modern warfare, that is a loss, and given that Iran can do nothing, except to lob a few missiles, that is a humiliating posture.

 

[Liquidator]

Am an Air Force guy, F-111 (Cold War) then F-16 (Desert Storm), and I will be honest but blunt -- that your argument is irrelevant.

The Israelis knows theirs and Iran's limitations. The next US administration may turn on them, so for now, they will exploit every advantage they can find. Together, the US and Israel set Iran's nuclear ambitions back in terms of years, not months, and within those years both can create additional blockages for Iran's future nuclear ambitions.

For example...How stable is the soil around those sites? Do YOU have any idea on how explosions weakens soil integrity that have been built up over centuries if not millenia? For all practical purposes, those sites are done.

What you are doing is satisfying personal grievances by pointing out Israelis flaws. Makes YOU feel better going to sleep at nights. That is not how the US and Israelis works. I know from personal experience that we, the US military, focuses more on our flaws than our strengths. The Israelis are no different.

Here is what I have been telling this forum since '09...

Air Dominance. The ability of an air force to compel other air forces to re-array themselves, and usually into subordinate postures.

Air Superiority. The ability of an air force to achieve control of contested airspace, repeatedly if necessary, and if there are losses, those losses would not pose a statistical deterrence to that ability.

Air Supremacy. He flies, he dies.

Israel has at least Air Superiority over Iran. Simple as that. And as long as Donald Trump is in office. In modern warfare, that is a loss, and given that Iran can do nothing, except to lob a few missiles, that is a humiliating posture.

Thank you for taking the time to respond.


Regards,

 

[kastor ville]

Mossad asset executed today in Iran

Wtf? is this for real? Wow!

 

[Persian Gulf]

@ShapurII ...

 

[Hassan Al-Somal]

Am an Air Force guy, F-111 (Cold War) then F-16 (Desert Storm), and I will be honest but blunt -- that your argument is irrelevant.

The Israelis knows theirs and Iran's limitations. The next US administration may turn on them, so for now, they will exploit every advantage they can find. Together, the US and Israel set Iran's nuclear ambitions back in terms of years, not months, and within those years both can create additional blockages for Iran's future nuclear ambitions.

For example...How stable is the soil around those sites? Do YOU have any idea on how explosions weakens soil integrity that have been built up over centuries if not millenia? For all practical purposes, those sites are done.

What you are doing is satisfying personal grievances by pointing out Israelis flaws. Makes YOU feel better going to sleep at nights. That is not how the US and Israelis works. I know from personal experience that we, the US military, focuses more on our flaws than our strengths. The Israelis are no different.

Here is what I have been telling this forum since '09...

Air Dominance. The ability of an air force to compel other air forces to re-array themselves, and usually into subordinate postures.

Air Superiority. The ability of an air force to achieve control of contested airspace, repeatedly if necessary, and if there are losses, those losses would not pose a statistical deterrence to that ability.

Air Supremacy. He flies, he dies.

Israel has at least Air Superiority over Iran. Simple as that. And as long as Donald Trump is in office. In modern warfare, that is a loss, and given that Iran can do nothing, except to lob a few missiles, that is a humiliating posture.

Iran did not launch a few missiles. They launched missiles that took out the Weismann advanced weapons and nuclear research center; the Dimona reactor was hit; the Israeli MoD, the Mossad HQs, the military intelligence 8200 unit were hit and taken out;5 airbases were hit; the biggest Israeli oil refinery in Haifa was put out of business; the Israeli power plants in Haifa, Tel Aviv, Ashdod, and Hadera were all hit and destroyed; the Israeli military center under Soroka hospital was also hit and many soldiers were killed there; and many more sites in Israel (Occupied Palestine) were also hit.

Bish, this was a war that Israel got the support of USA, UK, France, Germany and many others. Iran was able to beat the air defense shield that was placed on Israel. And in the last days of the war, it was Israel that asked for a ceasefire through the USA.

Let us look at how many times the Israelis shifted their goalposts. First, they stated their aim was the overthrow of the Iranian state; second, the destruction of the Iranian nuclear weapons program; third, they demanded the complete curtailment of Iranian ballistic missile program.

Now, where we're today: 1) The Iranian state and its leadership are standing; 2) Three nuclear sites were attacked but no ones know the extent of the damage, and no one knows what Iran did with those 90% enriched uranium ; 3) Iran's missile program is intact.

Talk is cheap. Despite the initial setbacks and the terrorist Mossad agents that wrecked havoc in North-western Iran, the Iranian state defeated the terrorist menace, and rebelled the Western-backed Israeli aggression.

 

[Persian Gulf]

Am an Air Force guy, F-111 (Cold War) then F-16 (Desert Storm), and I will be honest but blunt -- that your argument is irrelevant.

The Israelis knows theirs and Iran's limitations. The next US administration may turn on them, so for now, they will exploit every advantage they can find. Together, the US and Israel set Iran's nuclear ambitions back in terms of years, not months, and within those years both can create additional blockages for Iran's future nuclear ambitions.

For example...How stable is the soil around those sites? Do YOU have any idea on how explosions weakens soil integrity that have been built up over centuries if not millenia? For all practical purposes, those sites are done.

What you are doing is satisfying personal grievances by pointing out Israelis flaws. Makes YOU feel better going to sleep at nights. That is not how the US and Israelis works. I know from personal experience that we, the US military, focuses more on our flaws than our strengths. The Israelis are no different.

Here is what I have been telling this forum since '09...

Air Dominance. The ability of an air force to compel other air forces to re-array themselves, and usually into subordinate postures.

Air Superiority. The ability of an air force to achieve control of contested airspace, repeatedly if necessary, and if there are losses, those losses would not pose a statistical deterrence to that ability.

Air Supremacy. He flies, he dies.

Israel has at least Air Superiority over Iran. Simple as that. And as long as Donald Trump is in office. In modern warfare, that is a loss, and given that Iran can do nothing, except to lob a few missiles, that is a humiliating posture.

"over Iran"? Israel claimed it achieved air superiority over certain 'corridors' into Iran, not over all of Iran. and they achieved that for 12 days after using a large number of covert assets in a surprise strike. they haven't proven the "repeatedly" part.

 

[Persian Gulf]

Mossad asset executed today in Iran

this bastard co-authoured articles with two senior nuclear scientists who were both killed by Israel in their attacks recently. he had a lot of senior connections and Israel probably got a large amount of their information on Iran's active nuclear scientists from him

 

[Persian Gulf]

In addition to radiation, a bombed nuclear power plant would release:
Toxic chemicals (boric acid, heavy metals).
Hazardous radioactive materials (cesium, iodine, plutonium).
Flammable gases and radioactive particles (hydrogen, fallout).
Water and soil contamination (tritium, strontium).

Such an attack would be a large-scale environmental and public health disaster, similar to or worse than Chernobyl or Fukushima.

But in IRAN none of this happened. Either there were no bombings, or there were very few and, combined with the defense system, they did no damage, as there is no SCIENTIFIC proof of them.

as far as I know Israel did not bomb Bushehr or the Tehran Research Reactor ...

 

[ToddE]

Am an Air Force guy, F-111 (Cold War) then F-16 (Desert Storm), and I will be honest but blunt -- that your argument is irrelevant.

The Israelis knows theirs and Iran's limitations. The next US administration may turn on them, so for now, they will exploit every advantage they can find. Together, the US and Israel set Iran's nuclear ambitions back in terms of years, not months, and within those years both can create additional blockages for Iran's future nuclear ambitions.

For example...How stable is the soil around those sites? Do YOU have any idea on how explosions weakens soil integrity that have been built up over centuries if not millenia? For all practical purposes, those sites are done.

What you are doing is satisfying personal grievances by pointing out Israelis flaws. Makes YOU feel better going to sleep at nights. That is not how the US and Israelis works. I know from personal experience that we, the US military, focuses more on our flaws than our strengths. The Israelis are no different.

Here is what I have been telling this forum since '09...

Air Dominance. The ability of an air force to compel other air forces to re-array themselves, and usually into subordinate postures.

Air Superiority. The ability of an air force to achieve control of contested airspace, repeatedly if necessary, and if there are losses, those losses would not pose a statistical deterrence to that ability.

Air Supremacy. He flies, he dies.

Israel has at least Air Superiority over Iran. Simple as that. And as long as Donald Trump is in office. In modern warfare, that is a loss, and given that Iran can do nothing, except to lob a few missiles, that is a humiliating posture.

Silly post.

- Provide evidence for Israeli Air superiority over Iran exists ? Almost all attacks came from within Iran or Iraqi airspace using ALCMs and AeroBallistics. War lasted for 12 days, had it been the way Israel is claiming, there would have been hundreds of videos of jets flying like it happened in wars before during Iraqi invasion, Syrian war, Ukrainian theatre etc. Instead in the entire 12 days, 2 jettison cases and 1 sound clip of an F-15 from Spice PGM strike exists as "evidence". That by no means is evidence of air-superiority.

- Nuclear program is not a tangible entity that it can be "done" by a bomb that probably failed to penetrate below few meters at max. Anywhere in the world nuclear ambition is just a project in the end that cant die unless the state itself pulls the plug on it which happened for Iran in 1990s when Khamenei became a hurdle against it. If Iran had true ambition to build the fission devices, it could have done that in 1990s, it had the capacity and people to pull that. It now probably has 10 times the same capacity, expertise, people, terrain all is available but the problem is Islamo-marxist leadership which does not want to take the heat for it.

 

[Lulldapull]

"over Iran"? Israel claimed it achieved air superiority over certain 'corridors' into Iran, not over all of Iran. and they achieved that for 12 days after using a large number of covert assets in a surprise strike. they haven't proven the "repeatedly" part.

This old man still living in the 1990's.........

Just a whole buncha huff n puff, no substance.

I've thought about putting him on ignore.

 

[kastor ville]

this bastard co-authoured articles with two senior nuclear scientists who were both killed by Israel in their attacks recently. he had a lot of senior connections and Israel probably got a large amount of their information on Iran's active nuclear scientists from him

Amazing....they were able to actually recruit a nuclear scientist, this is such a failure, I cannot find insulting enough words to berate the intelligence dept. How...how do you not watch these guys like a hawk? How??? Train them about foreign intelligence traps, protect them, surveil them....etc.
These needs to on the front page of every newspaper and tv news broadcast, the detail of his recruitment, the methods used in this case and others, so people will learn to recognize them and report them.
The other thing I would do, and I realize this is a bit Orwellian, but I would set up the same type of Instagram website, same fb and twitter ads that the Israelis use and try and capture the weak minded first, before the Israelis do.....I would of course not execute or put people behind bars for the first offense, but I would have a group to pick them up, and scare the crap out of them. And again I would broadcast it on tv so people would stay the fk away from such follies if they ever see it.

 

[Bharatah]

Fires, Explosions Hit Israeli Power Grid in Ramla​

Power failures and mysterious fires continue to plague the Israeli-occupied city of Ramla, raising serious questions about the regime’s crumbling infrastructure.​

Israeli media have once again reported a fire in a residential complex in the city of Ramla, allegedly caused by a high-voltage electrical fault. One person suffered severe burns and was transferred to a hospital.

According to some of regime’s experts, power outages and electrical fires in Ramla have sharply increased in recent weeks.

Despite repeated incidents, officials of the occupying regime have yet to identify the root cause of the failures.

In recent weeks, fires in electrical cabins, transformer explosions, industrial equipment blazes, and air conditioning unit malfunctions have led to the destruction of several residential buildings.

Some industrial centers were forced to shut down, and regional power distribution infrastructure sustained significant damage.

The escalating technical failures reflect growing disorder within the Zionist regime’s infrastructure — a system increasingly incapable of maintaining control over its occupied territories.

 

[Lulldapull]

Silly post.

- Provide evidence for Israeli Air superiority over Iran exists ? Almost all attacks came from within Iran or Iraqi airspace using ALCMs and AeroBallistics. War lasted for 12 days, had it been the way Israel is claiming, there would have been hundreds of videos of jets flying like it happened in wars before during Iraqi invasion, Syrian war, Ukrainian theatre etc. Instead in the entire 12 days, 2 jettison cases and 1 sound clip of an F-15 from Spice PGM strike exists as "evidence". That by no means is evidence of air-superiority.

- Nuclear program is not a tangible entity that it can be "done" by a bomb that probably failed to penetrate below few meters at max. Anywhere in the world nuclear ambition is just a project in the end that cant die unless the state itself pulls the plug on it which happened for Iran in 1990s when Khamenei became a hurdle against it. If Iran had true ambition to build the fission devices, it could have done that in 1990s, it had the capacity and people to pull that. It now probably has 10 times the same capacity, expertise, people, terrain all is available but the problem is Islamo-marxist leadership which does not want to take the heat for it.

This whole 'Rising Lion' drama was Trump setting up Shetanyahu as a patsy.......

They knew Irans retaliatory capabilities over the last good couple of years, so Trump told Shetanyahu.......you go gurrl, I got your back, if you got in trouble, which he did......

Shetanyahu took the fall like the idiot that he is.

I just don't see Israel all enthusiastic for the next round, cuz this time, no surprises anymore.

 

[sutton9999]

Silly post.

- Provide evidence for Israeli Air superiority over Iran exists ? Almost all attacks came from within Iran or Iraqi airspace using ALCMs and AeroBallistics. War lasted for 12 days, had it been the way Israel is claiming, there would have been hundreds of videos of jets flying like it happened in wars before during Iraqi invasion, Syrian war, Ukrainian theatre etc. Instead in the entire 12 days, 2 jettison cases and 1 sound clip of an F-15 from Spice PGM strike exists as "evidence". That by no means is evidence of air-superiority.

- Nuclear program is not a tangible entity that it can be "done" by a bomb that probably failed to penetrate below few meters at max. Anywhere in the world nuclear ambition is just a project in the end that cant die unless the state itself pulls the plug on it which happened for Iran in 1990s when Khamenei became a hurdle against it. If Iran had true ambition to build the fission devices, it could have done that in 1990s, it had the capacity and people to pull that. It now probably has 10 times the same capacity, expertise, people, terrain all is available but the problem is Islamo-marxist leadership which does not want to take the heat for it.

in denial,

There is no reason F16/F15 would fly low. Jets released glide munitions over 8000m height, won't be captured by a phone camera.

The fact that 3 large drones （MALE) were shut down indicates a lack of basic air defence. Large drones are not cheap, typically used in counter-insurgency level of warfare. Which means Iran's air defense in some areas was reduced to the Houthis' level.

 

[gambit]

Silly post.

- Provide evidence for Israeli Air superiority over Iran exists ? Almost all attacks came from within Iran or Iraqi airspace using ALCMs and AeroBallistics. War lasted for 12 days, had it been the way Israel is claiming, there would have been hundreds of videos of jets flying like it happened in wars before during Iraqi invasion, Syrian war, Ukrainian theatre etc. Instead in the entire 12 days, 2 jettison cases and 1 sound clip of an F-15 from Spice PGM strike exists as "evidence". That by no means is evidence of air-superiority.

Then it looks like you do not understand the idea of 'Air Superiority' at all. What I posted, I dumbed down as much as possible.

- Nuclear program is not a tangible entity that it can be "done" by a bomb that probably failed to penetrate below few meters at max.

Is that from personal experience?