Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Liquidator]

you showed me images and I responded to them, don't change the subject now

if you have better images to show us to prove your point that Iran's missiles are accurate, go ahead

You shared some yourself a few months ago.

Common bro...

 

[BigMela2onin]

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Reformists beg and debase themselves and their country for negotiations while the enemy plans for war.

 

[Persian Gulf]

You shared some yourself a few months ago.

Common bro...

a few targets were hit successfully: Haifa oil refinery, Weissman centre, and some damage to the MoD. If someone wants to make the case that another target was hit successfully / accurately, I am open to it and hope it is the case. but hope alone does not make it so.

 

[Eşbah]

The Israelis also blew up their ten to twenty years efforts of setting up their networks inside Iran.

How do you know that? Do you work for the Israeli government? Logic suggests that you should not deploy all your valuable assets simultaneously. I would argue that there are still operational networks on standby, ready for a second round in Iran. Essentially, that encapsulates the entire matter. If you merely respond instead of taking the initiative in the conflict, you will never gain the advantage and your enemy will always leave you behind wondering what will happen next.

 

[Immortals]

this is the only part I have to push back on

the biggest SSM bases in the west were not used, seems safe to assume they held a large proportion of Iran's missiles and TELs.

And? You think in next conflict those same bases won’t be hit? You think Israel won’t sit and review satellite imaging with America to understand where Iran was firing the meager salvos it managed to scrap together in the war?

IAF and IDF were dominating Iran from less than 2000KM, that’s embarrassing considering how much we gave Russia shit for figuring poorly against Ukraine and Iran couldn’t even protect its skies against Israel.

Now the cope on here is it was due to secret sabotage teams and “next time will be different bro”.

 

[Immortals]

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Reformists beg and debase themselves and their country for negotiations while the enemy plans for war.

Reformists are realists.

US walked right in and bombed nuclear facilities and Iran didn’t even know it. Not a single air defense fired. Not a single fighter jet in the air or drone or “super duper secret wonder weapons” that brain dead losers on here touted Iran had.

Now imagine if they did that to the oil facilities, Refineries, military bases, fuel depots.

What can Iran do? US can send Iran back to bankruptcy in a blink at this point.

“Don’t worry bro we will close Strait of Hormuz”

Yeah don’t hold your breath, like Iran fired tens of thousands of drones at Israel? Or fired thousands of missiles per day at Israel? Like those [fake] predictions that others made on here? Well reality was Iran fought extremely poorly.

Iran was the paper tiger. Not Israel. Not America….for all the bravado it was iran. For 25 years the IRGC sold the public a false bag of goods that they were more than prepared for conflict and the public shouldn’t worry. The damage they would inflict they touted would be biblical. All false bravado/propaganda.

Now we find out that it was the IRGC themselves that didn’t want to respond directly to Haniyeh assassination! Why? Because they “weren’t yet prepared to defend the country”! What have they been doing for 25 years?

The country is broke.
It’s currency is borderline worthless
It has energy blackouts in 2025
It’s running out of water.
Unemployment among the youth is high
Inflation is high
It has no airforce
It has no air defense

What do you want this country to do? Resort to human wave tactics like in Iran-Iraq war?

Yeah the reformists are losers, but they are also realists. Like Pezeshkian said you don’t want to talk - then what do you want to do? You want to go back to war?

These idiots speak about respect and a fair deal. But Iran isn’t holding any cards for leverage here. You lost them in 2020 (Solemani), 2023 (Hamas), 2024 (Hezbollah/Iraq/Syria), 2025 (your nuclear program/final deterrence).

Talking is too late and fighting is too late. It’s going to be quasi-surrender terms one way or another. Unless Iran can regroup and pull off a miracle. Zero indications that is coming given the public signaling coming out of the elite of establishment.

This is the most incompetent Iran I have ever seen. If it wasn’t for the dumbass antics of George W Bush for invading Iraq and Afghanistan and the brain cells of Nasrallah and Solemani to take advantage of it, Iran wouldn’t have grown so powerful with Saddam still sitting on its borders.

But even that power that WAS GIFTED by American neocons, it couldn’t keep for even 2 decades! The power Iran held in 2012 or even when it signed JCPOA in 2015, has long been squandered, along with any leverage.

 

[Persian Gulf]

And? You think in next conflict those same bases won’t be hit?

I didn't say that. I was just disputing your assertion that Iran "may not have many missiles left or TELs to operate them".

 

[vmro]

How do you know that? Do you work for the Israeli government? Logic suggests that you should not deploy all your valuable assets simultaneously. I would argue that there are still operational networks on standby, ready for a second round in Iran. Essentially, that encapsulates the entire matter. If you merely respond instead of taking the initiative in the conflict, you will never gain the advantage and your enemy will always leave you behind wondering what will happen next.

This is more like wishful thinking than substance... if they were more able for anything else, they would be publicly proactive, with bright future opportunities for the nation and the king of kings in AIPAC service...

They are counterproductive even if they exist anymore...this is not about preparation or execution of the project, the project is doomed from the very beginning...somehow, many saw Libya version 2.0 in Iran already...and reality was brutal, no one started civil war in Iran... partybreakers...

 

[FUB]

you showed me images and I responded to them, don't change the subject now

if you have better images to show us to prove your point that Iran's missiles are accurate, go ahead

Until we see the censored images from the so-called 250 missiles that fell in open fields, I will say the same thing. Just because paid operatives write pro-Zion articles that are posted regularly in this thread, it does not prove your point that the missiles were ineffective and not accurate. If that were the case, Israel would not censor the images. If this level of destruction is conclusive from cell phone images, you can cash the receipts that the actual damage was far worse.

 

[FUB]

34 is my favorite. You can count eight missiles about to impact

 

[FUB]

Anyone can search. There are a lot more. You can say that missiles are only suitable for large targets, or that the targets were ineffective. You are entitled to your opinion, but not your facts. The IRGC started to hit residential areas only after Israel detonated five car bombs in Tehran, killing civilians. There is a possibility of an image being posted out of context, but there are pages and pages on Yandex if you know how to search for them.

 

[ShapurII]

Anyone can search. There are a lot more. You can say that missiles are only suitable for large targets, or that the targets were ineffective. You are entitled to your opinion, but not your facts. The IRGC started to hit residential areas only after Israel detonated five car bombs in Tehran, killing civilians. There is a possibility of an image being posted out of context, but there are pages and pages on Yandex if you know how to search for them.

May I ask what you're trying to prove here?
You're certainly not trying to prove that Iranian missiles were accurate and all of them hit their targets, right? Because your post doesn't seem to reach that conclusion by showing us missiles in the air.

Are you trying to say Iran hit Israel really bad and established some deterrence?
Because it clearly doesn't seem so. Iranian and Israeli politicians don't think it's over. As it turns out, Trump doesn't think it's over either. And even Iranian people don't think it's over.

If Iran had established deterrence, everyone would've thought it was over but since nearly everyone, including the markets in Iran, are almost certain that it will be repeated soon, then I would say Iran miserably failed to establish deterrence again.

 

[FUB]

May I ask what you're trying to prove here?
You're certainly not trying to prove that Iranian missiles were accurate and all of them hit their targets, right? Because your post doesn't seem to reach that conclusion by showing us missiles in the air.

Are you trying to say Iran hit Israel really bad and established some deterrence?
Because it clearly doesn't seem so. Iranian and Israeli politicians don't think it's over. As it turns out, Trump doesn't think it's over either. And even Iranian people don't think it's over.

If Iran had established deterrence, everyone would've thought it was over but since nearly everyone, including the markets in Iran, are almost certain that it will be repeated soon, then I would say Iran miserably failed to establish deterrence again.

There were more accurate than you think. Here’s another one of dozens of videos floating online confirmed by CNN. This is exactly why they moved the operations to that hospital that got struck the following day.

I ask a question that I’ve asked before. Why would that genocidal maniac request a cease-fire? You seem to think that they ended the operation right at the Mark that they said they were going to end .that’s not the truth. You must’ve forgotten the belligerent statements of “total surrender.”

Buy their own admission they spent 25% of the THAAD supplies in 12 days .
They cannot win this war if it’s prolonged for 30+ days in the next round. Other than the images of American strikes on Natanz and staging areas for the missile bases, I haven’t seen anything significant.

Where is the 600+ kilo? Do you really think that there are no undeclared enrichment sites?

I think I RGC made a mistake and they should’ve continued the war. One more week of 40 to 50 launches per day would’ve laid a lot more of Israel to waste.

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[kastor ville]

that's a large target and it was effectively hit by two missiles simultaneously

I always said Iran's missiles are well suited towards bigger 'soft' targets given their relatively low accuracy at 1500km+ range

plus some missiles clearly have better accuracy than others. but we are probably talking about 100m CEP vs 500m CEP, rather than 20m vs 50m.

Look, I defer to the guys with actual military service regarding such matters, I myself am more versed in geopolitics.....however, I saw the pics of the SA refinery hit and the missile accuracy was something rather astonishing...it was crazy accurate, so where did this idea of Iranian missile not being accurate come about? Is there proof for this hypothesis?

 

[StrategicBear]

May I ask what you're trying to prove here?
You're certainly not trying to prove that Iranian missiles were accurate and all of them hit their targets, right? Because your post doesn't seem to reach that conclusion by showing us missiles in the air.

Are you trying to say Iran hit Israel really bad and established some deterrence?
Because it clearly doesn't seem so. Iranian and Israeli politicians don't think it's over. As it turns out, Trump doesn't think it's over either. And even Iranian people don't think it's over.

If Iran had established deterrence, everyone would've thought it was over but since nearly everyone, including the markets in Iran, are almost certain that it will be repeated soon, then I would say Iran miserably failed to establish deterrence again.

The only deterrence is NUCLEAR Deterrence.

Nothing else...