Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[muhammed45]

The West has a history of sly tactics. They made Nazi Germany believe the invasion was coming much further up the coast and instead landed at Normandy where there was a skeleton crew defending the beach.

They made Iran think negotiations were real and facing progressing (despite Americans telling everyone on the news that no enrichment is possible) when they were truly getting ready for 1-2 attack to knock out the program for good.

Iran got played and is facing a country that has gone up against war machines of Hitler and Stalin. Iran simply isn’t in the same league in Warcraft as US, Britain, and France or even Israel at this point.

This is no more evident by how despite all these fancy OTH radars they got completely bamboozled by a massive Israeli ‘Pearl harbor’ incident. Israel event tracked

Hajizadeh, Bagheri, and the other generals to the bunker they use planning military operations and destroyed that. It’s surprising because, 2 months later Iran still hasn’t explained how Israel was not only able to find the bunker of Iran’s C&C but also penetrate what should be a borderline nuclear proof bunker from [allegedly] outside of Iran’s borders.

The whole thing doesn’t add up.

The leader asked government not to negotiate and avoid war. We had both negotiation with USA and war at same time. When your father says there is an enemy on our doorstep so avoid walking out at night, you shouldn't respond to his advices with your rear legs like a donkey similar to what the government did. Indirect negotiation with Trump lmao.

Zarif that fkin bitch was behind rebranding new negotiations as an indirect talks with Trump led USA.

Negotiation with Trump, wanes Iran and exhausts the whole nation. Not only Trump, but also USA as a whole.

Remember attack on Iran was practiced during Biden.

We are walking on a tight rope. Unveiling nuclear weapon won't benefit us. We are not NK to eat grass and live like bunch of animals that fail to understand why we are fighting and for whom?

Jews are our hostages for the time being. What we have to improve immediately, is not even about military. Its national economy that needs to be strengthened.

EU will be fked by Russians and Americans won't give a shit about it. Europe has always been an alternative for Iranian economy. Trump is doing us a favour. We need to just wait and be patient.

 

[Ali_Baba]

Why purpose does the NPT or UN serve if the rules can be selectively applied or ignored?

The Head Quarters of the UN should be removed from the USA, and relocated to a different location. The Hague works better imho.

 

[Falcon29]

You forget they have nuc.

No I didn't.

You can be sure, at another level than with the NATO, that a strong attack against the israeli territories will imply the use of nuc. Not all the 90 or 100 in stockpile, but some.

They would receive retaliation in same manner.

Jude people will never suffer another Shoah. Never.

Not up to them if God wills it. Furthermore, they're fighting by the sword trying to conquer neighboring nations in unprovoked manner. Thus, they will die by sword. That's not a 'shoah' or whatever you're talking about. That's going on reckless, dangerous adventures and suffering consequences of them.

And arabs neighbors already tried to defeat israel, together. They always failed. The last operations against Iran and Hezbollah shown they mastered the art of war.

(I just indicate I'm not jude. Just in case of).

I don't think they mastered art of war. They can attack poor states with no military. With 4th and 5th Gen fighter aircraft. With NATO intelligence and military backing. Even with Hezbollah the US deployed aircraft carriers for them and a air bridge to supply them on a 24/7 basis for their wars on Gaza and elsewhere.

Israel without US support can fight limited wars but no more than that. What they did in Iran or bombing defenseless areas like Syria or Lebanon isn't indicative of mastering war.

They even asked the US to design their assault on Gaza and US centcom was in Israel with all their advisors to draw up the plan.

You're greatly overestimating Jewish people. They rely heavily on Western military tactics, intelligence support, training and technology. They're good at other things but not at war. Bombing defenseless nations from the sky doesn't show us their military worth or pedigree. Their Air Force is not being challenged at all during those bombing sprees.

 

[Arash]

Rule #1 of war: Do NOT trust anything that your enemy says.

If they say you're strong, it's because they want to make themselves look stronger by hyping you up. If they say you're weak, it's because they want to demoralize you. Nothing that is said by our enemies matter.

Agrees, it's been 3 years I hear permanently on French TV that Russia is collapsing, their soldiers falling or escaping, their economy in shambles...etc... and all that proved to be crap as of today...

 

[Arash]

Negotiations are useless with these people. Diplomacy is a deceiving facade. Their objective is not just limited to the destruction of the Iranian nuclear program. They actually aim to destroy the Iranian statehood. Let's hope that the Iranian leadership takes the right steps to prevent this from happening.

Strength and good investment on new techs and science, NOTHING ELSE

 

[Sarhang]

New war for what? What is there to bomb?

The Natanz mountain complex and Isfahan mountain complex were never finished due to JCPOA. So to bring them online will likely take 1-2 more years and hard to work on construction if the enemy can bomb tunnels to halt work (even if they cannot penetrate these deeper mountain nuclear sites).

The problem with Iran was they only made One Fordow. I said it back then there should have been 2 or 3 or even 4 Fordow each progressively deeper than the other. By only having 1 Fordow you made the enemy think they had a chance at permanently disabling your enrichment program. But 4 Fordow would tell the Pentagon and Mossad the risk of success would be astronomical low. But everyone here foolishly thought Fordow was impenetrable even the famed Patarames.

Instead Iran sent hundreds of millions to Hamas, Houthis, and HZ that got blown up by Israeli and US aircraft. It sent billions to Syria that only got blown up or attacked.

That money should have been sent to build larger missiles that could be fired from the east and build more hardened nuclear shelters.

In the end we realize there was no secret Iranian planning, no wonder weapons, no capabilities that would “shock” the enemy, and Solemani’s claim that we are “closer” to you than you can imagine was either a lie or a lost capability.

We got bamboozled by this Baghdad Bob IRGC. They didn’t protect the nation when it mattered most and were more infiltrated than even Assad’s SAA and even their own Artesh.

You do realize that a single bombing run has not ''wiped out'' Iran’s nuclear program, right?


And you also realize that Netanyahu knows Israel’s best friend is sitting in the White House right now ; Trump, but only for another three years?


The most cost effective way for Israel and the US to make sure Iran never develops nuclear weapons is not by setting the program back a few years with airstrikes. Its by removing the people or the system in power in Iran who are actually pursuing it. Whats the point of delaying the program for a few years if in three years Trump is out of office and Netanyahus own political future is in doubt? High chance of a much softer Democrat president who will once again tolerate IRs policies.

Netanyahu would have to be a total idiot to miss this golden chance.

Thats why I think Netanyahu is busy behind the scenes trying to persuade Trump to remove the threat once and for all.

Whether he succeeds or not is the real question and it depends on countless factors. But Trump is also a narcissistic clown who hates being challenged or told what to do. In his own words he wants the wars to end...not to start new ones.


Interesting times ahead.

 

[Sarhang]

Rule #1 of war: Do NOT trust anything that your enemy says.

If they say you're strong, it's because they want to make themselves look stronger by hyping you up. If they say you're weak, it's because they want to demoralize you. Nothing that is said by our enemies matter.

Israels power is to a large extent illusion. Yes, they have advanced weapons but their real strength is psychological warfare and they have mastered it.

The bigger question is: what happened to Irans own psychological warfare? For centuries Iranians were known for strategy, deception, and clever ways of turning the tables on their enemies. It was part of our military DNA.

Now even that is gone. The IR has managed to kill not just progress but the creativity and intelligence of the people too. They have turned a nation that once outsmarted empires into one that cant even play the same game. What a tragedy.

 

[BigMela2onin]

I will post here for now but perhaps there should be a separate thread for JCPOA related discussions.
One positive that may come from snapback is the death of illusions that there can be a beneficial relationship with the west. A pivot to the East, which was always the best move, is now the only move.



It is a shame khamenei allows his reformists to destroy our relationship with what should be our allies.

 

[Immortals]

 

[Bharatah]

Zionist Fake news like death of Ali Shamkhani and General Esmail Ghaani, and ohters cases.

 

[BigMela2onin]

 

[Persian Gulf]

the Prime Minister was killed in his home along with his family, great military achievement for the genocidal Nazis as usual

no truth to the rest. Houthi Chief of Staff just released a statement vowing revenge

 

[fitpOsitive]

News1:


News2:

US troops begin withdrawal from key Iraqi bases

Pullout of US troops signals Trump administration is pressing ahead with plans to reduce troops in region of key competition with Iran

www.middleeasteye.net

 

[Bharatah]

The information "out there" says that Iran may wait for RUSSIA to take over the presidency of the UN Security Council to leave the NPT.

 

[Bharatah]

the Prime Minister was killed in his home along with his family, great military achievement for the genocidal Nazis as usual

no truth to the rest. Houthi Chief of Staff just released a statement vowing revenge

There is no official "statement vowing revenge" coming from Yemen Houthis. In official telegram channel said :

"A failed Zionist aggression, baseless with no real impact.You must bear our response, and our retaliation is coming soon, God willing"

NOTE: The official Houthi Twitter account was deleted days before this attack and currently there are only fake accounts pretending to be the Houthis...Twitter posts, Western media versions and the lying Zionist government should not be validated.