Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Hack-Hook]

It was 33.2% for both rounds in Tehran. For the first round, it was under 30% in Tehran.
In your own province, Khuzestan, only 29.6% participated.

And this is the only time that both reformists and conservatives agree that even these numbers could be higher than the real figures lol

So you claim fraud , then why nobody make any claim against the then interior minister?
By the way according to law , turnout have zero relation to election legitimacy

 

[Hassan Al-Somal]

 

[PakAl]

The situation is extremely unpredictable. No one really knows what Trump or Netanyahu will do next. I put the chance of a new war at 50%.

But one thing is certain: the next three years will be the most decisive period in modern Iranian history.

Options are:
1) Full invasion of Iran to change the regime but are the Iranian people willing to collaborate?
2) More sanctions and isolation of Iran so slowly Iranian have enough to want a change
3) More bombing of Iran, destroying all tanks, artillery, military bases, navy etc, the aim is to completely weaken the military so some kind of genuine opposition fills the vacuum.

I guess option 2 and 3 until Iran economy collapses and opposition rises up. Iran must find ways to continue its economic and military development.

 

[Hassan Al-Somal]

 

[PakAl]

The West has a history of sly tactics. They made Nazi Germany believe the invasion was coming much further up the coast and instead landed at Normandy where there was a skeleton crew defending the beach.

They made Iran think negotiations were real and facing progressing (despite Americans telling everyone on the news that no enrichment is possible) when they were truly getting ready for 1-2 attack to knock out the program for good.

Iran got played and is facing a country that has gone up against war machines of Hitler and Stalin. Iran simply isn’t in the same league in Warcraft as US, Britain, and France or even Israel at this point.

This is no more evident by how despite all these fancy OTH radars they got completely bamboozled by a massive Israeli ‘Pearl harbor’ incident. Israel event tracked

Hajizadeh, Bagheri, and the other generals to the bunker they use planning military operations and destroyed that. It’s surprising because, 2 months later Iran still hasn’t explained how Israel was not only able to find the bunker of Iran’s C&C but also penetrate what should be a borderline nuclear proof bunker from [allegedly] outside of Iran’s borders.

The whole thing doesn’t add up.

Nations know about the deceiving plans but the issue is they trap you. Iran is under extreme sanctions, they don't have many allies and are isolated, they also have no capability to take on Nato and their daddy Israel, this is why they continue to come to negotiation table despite knowing very well the west is playing games and want the end of Iranian regime. The regime is buying time and hoping somehow the western power reduces and they cannot afford to harm Iran anymore, this is when Iran will rise. For example is SCO and BRICS become similar to Nato and EU, this is when Iran becomes untouchable.

 

[PakAl]

Yeah, but you'll land on an ocean far from any land to save yourself lol
So, unless you can swim day and night for thousands of miles, the only thing it will change is that you'll starve to death in the middle of an ocean lol

Let's recap:
1. Our trusted nuclear scientists are dead.
2. Our enriched uranium has been trapped and we cannot even get close to it.
3. We have enough missiles to fight back for 3-6 months if we try to be extremely optimistic.
4. Our drones performed extremely poorly in the war. Both in terms of quality and quantity. We fired ~80 drones each day. Less than 2% hit their targets.
5. Our air force had to run away and hide during the war.
6. Our air defense was crippled in the initial hours of the war.
7. The country is full of Israeli agents.
8. Most importantly, we are ruled by a bunch of senile fools.

Don't you see where it's heading?

The most shocking was Israeli agents and collaborators, they set up small command centres inside Iran, air defence crippled was another one. Imagine having 1000 planes and they get destroyed on the ground, the same way having 100s of different AD systems but all crippled. It's embarrassing and a big failure. Iran must correct this, hunt down agents and finish them off.

 

[PakAl]

They will destroy the military capabilities, the ability to produce missiles, AD systems, tanks etc. The plan is to turn Iran in to another Syria and then slowly cause a rebellion via a revolution. With a strong military it's difficult but with a weak military it's highly possible.

 

[MirageV3ff]

Options are:
1) Full invasion of Iran to change the regime but are the Iranian people willing to collaborate?
2) More sanctions and isolation of Iran so slowly Iranian have enough to want a change
3) More bombing of Iran, destroying all tanks, artillery, military bases, navy etc, the aim is to completely weaken the military so some kind of genuine opposition fills the vacuum.

I guess option 2 and 3 until Iran economy collapses and opposition rises up. Iran must find ways to continue its economic and military development.

There are many that are opposed to the regime. During the recent conflict, there were reports that Iranians were directly aiding they IDF against the regime.

 

[vizier]

Their isn't evidence that the silos themselves were targeted. I saw pictures of silos without their doors so perhaps the doors were destroyed. But even then to put a silo out of commission you need to strike its base where the missile is being launched from. Thats very hard to do from the air.

They are still visible from satellites. It depends on the explosive the canal can be damaged and debris can stop the launch attempt. Currently even ventilation shafts can be directly targeted hurling inside glide bombs. It is good to have them but not enough to rely solely upon for a mountain base. Even the gates that were resistant to explosives were collapsed by albms. Fake silos can be build though to confuse their targeting.

 

[vizier]

The most shocking was Israeli agents and collaborators, they set up small command centres inside Iran, air defence crippled was another one. Imagine having 1000 planes and they get destroyed on the ground, the same way having 100s of different AD systems but all crippled. It's embarrassing and a big failure. Iran must correct this, hunt down agents and finish them off.

Also this kind of attack happened in 2023. It was of a similar pattern local agents deploying home assembled drones. I think this time the responsibles understood how to take precautions and wont be caught sleeping like the last one albeit costly. Noone else will do this job for them other than themselves. They need to think come up with solutions and solve these problems. Problems wont be solved by themselves magically from outside they need to be solved by people with hard work and thinking. it was a costly reminder but it is well understood now I think.

For future attacks israel also needs to recruit future agents and make them practice with drones. These can be tracked with rf survaillance drones at least inside your borders. They may have practiced drone training outside of the borders in that case you need to track suspected people that leaves and returns that what they buy where they go etc. I think now enough info is taken from the caught drone attackers about how they built where they got training and precautions can be found to track future possible attacks.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2023_...night of January,explosions and fire in Karaj.

Although the fighter jets were old The ad equipment was kind of modern but used in 80s static ad doctrine. That is why most of them were located and targeted easily. If they changed locations rapidly instead of being at the same position this operation could not have been planned-executed by israel because it would be of high risk not taking out enough number of ad assets for their aircraft to enter.

For airbases there are some mountain airbases which somewhat protect the aircraft but their gates can still be destroyed-collapsed by air launched ballistic missiles. Ukraine uses these makeshift tiles to rapidly make air fields and specialised trucks to coordinate air operations. Something similar can be adopted for keeping f5-Saegeh fleet intact for Iran.

The clever way Ukraine keeps its F-16s safe from Russia could be key to airpower survival in modern war

Ukraine has new mobile complexes to keep its F-16s moving while Russia hunts them. That sort of dispersal is something the West is looking at, too.

www.businessinsider.com

 

[StrategicBear]

The 2nd Round may start within the next 3 days!!

 

[Persian Gulf]

@ShapurII see, he calls it "DRM" (dispute resolution mechanism) instead of snapback. the text of the JCPOA/UNSCR 2231 calls it DRM. so he's not wrong. but the West has called the conclusion of the DRM process "snapback". Which is also not wrong.

 

[Liquidator]

The 2nd Round may start within the next 3 days!!

China / Russia will have intel.

One can only hope this is relayed to Iran.

Iran isn't bold enough to attack first, it sits around waiting to get bitch slapped....

One can only hope they've learnt? Or, at the very least launch an attack (1000s of BMs) as soon as israel begins to get the job done.

They have advertised they have the capability to do this.......(missile cities with novel launch methods utilising a rail track system).

 

[Arash]

They will destroy the military capabilities, the ability to produce missiles, AD systems, tanks etc. The plan is to turn Iran in to another Syria and then slowly cause a rebellion via a revolution. With a strong military it's difficult but with a weak military it's highly possible.

With 40 less f35, I really doubt so... but with saboteurs on the ground or drones from neighboring countries, yes it's possible

 

[Arash]

@ShapurII see, he calls it "DRM" (dispute resolution mechanism) instead of snapback. the text of the JCPOA/UNSCR 2231 calls it DRM. so he's not wrong. but the West has called the conclusion of the DRM process "snapback". Which is also not wrong.

I'm sick of this guy, Zarif ... I wouldn't even listen to him for an advice on pasta cooking