Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

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Persian Gulf said:
he saw that every time the US hit Iran hard it was successful and had virtually no consequences for the US as IRI was terrified of war and only sought symbolic responses. so he changed his position and gradually supports such moves even more. what a disaster.
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The Westerners, unlike our leadership, act rationally based on science and mathematics.
They think in terms of game theory, not some outdated ideology, propaganda and hadith lol

They do cost analysis. What are we going to gain? What are we going to lose?
By every cost analysis, whatever they have done in recent years, it was almost always free for them. So, what's going to stop them from not doing more?

They decimated tens of billions of dollars in a matter of one hour and didn't lose even a single soldier. Pathetic.
 
We don't have any thing called strategy anymore. As a nation, our strategy has become but an absolute personification of Khamenei's own personal characteristics. That's how it's been for the last few decades.

We are hesitant as Khamenei is. Overly cautious as an old man who never had balls is supposed to be. Our tactics are rigid and and and we wait till we have no choice but to fight back. Let me try to put the picture of what we are and have become


Imagine Khamenei standing in the road somewhere and an individual that'd his enemies have come to kill him has a gun in his hand. Khamenei is staring at the dude with the gun trying to find pockets of safety, he is trying to create angles by which he can somehow escape without being killed. His eyes are fixed on the gun and the assailants hands. Then the guy points and pulls the trigger and Khamenei scrambles.

That's the state of our strategic affairs. It's a reflection of old man Khamenei's own personal characteristics. That's all that is. Khamenei could have been carrying a gun with him to be able to fight back knowing this would happen but he doesn't.

We are nothing more as a state the shadow of what Khamenei is in his personal self. That's all. He needs to retire. He needs to go. He is the biggest problem that we are facing. If he goes out and we find a better leadership we will be back in business.

Nobody can claim, but Khamenei is "wise". No he isn't, a man who does not have balls can never be wise because it takes balls to assess a certain scenario to its merit. As a result, none of Zarif, Poo-Hani, pezeshkian or Khamenei are wise. They don't even qualify for leadership.
 
Shafagh said:
I hope I am wrong, but there was a time when China would have helped considerably. I think they feel somewhat betrayed since Rouhani tried to side with Europe.
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This is why I refuse the characterization of reformists as just scapegoats. It was reformists who have destroyed our ties with Asia chasing after their fantasy for decades, after being deceived for the tenth time and even now after snapback they cannot come out and say they were wrong about the west. Khamenei let's them do this because it suits his agenda, sure, but they are not blameless in this. It would be a stupid of China to help Iran unless there was a massive reorganization and replacement of leadership first, it would be the type of thing IR would do actually.
 
kastor ville said:
Iranians are naive, they're innocent people, they're not in the habit of questioning people in authority, that's the most important reason why we are in this position...the Westerners are much more suspicious and spiteful of their leaders, which in turn keeps those leaders on their toes.
We on the other hand laud respect on these incompetent fools....instead of bouncing them out of power and replacing them with capable people. Look at the average age of these guys...they're ancient, out of touch, with very little world experience, they're trapped in their bubble and think the world behaves/or thinks like them.
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The west is fully occupied by Zionist interest and they are proud of it. Remind me again who your beloved countrymen have elected as their president?
 
BigMela2onin said:
This is why I refuse the characterization of reformists as just scapegoats. It was reformists who have destroyed our ties with Asia chasing after their fantasy for decades, after being deceived for the tenth time and even now after snapback they cannot come out and say they were wrong about the west. Khamenei let's them do this because it suits his agenda, sure, but they are not blameless in this. It would be a stupid of China to help Iran unless there was a massive reorganization and replacement of leadership first, it would be the type of thing IR would do actually.
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Khamenei let them do it because he is the leader of the Islamic republic of Iran and the people of Iran keep voting for these reformist sellouts. Khamenei knows if he acts against the reformists, the Islamic Republic will unravel into chaos and civil war. So in true democratic fashion Iran has to suffer at the hands of the idiot masses who never learn and keep voting for the Reformist clowns!
 
Shafagh said:
There are still a few people here committed to I.R. and some of their words are scary. I don't want to know how far they are willing to go, what they are willing to do to Iranians, in order to preserve their leaders.

It's almost like a psychosis. Let this be a learning experience, never ever elect religious leaders into office.
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Where are all these anti IR Iranians and what ever happened to the woman, Life , freedom "revolution"?

Where were all the Anti-IR Iranians when Bibi was gonna "Liberate" Iran and install the Clown prince, Reza Pahlavi? If Majority of Iranians truly hate the IR, as people like you would have us believe how come we didn't see it manifest its self when the IR was at its most vulnerable state?
 
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Jalz said:
They fought in the russian civilwar to stop the rise of communism. Also Iran is not the same as russia. Iran is far less important than Russia. Russia was the enemy of the west for the past century. Iran will never have ability to put up the same fight against the west and the soviet union did. If a new government takes power in Iran, Iran will just become another turkey or saudi arabia. A neutral state that cares only about itself and will collaborate with anyone to achieve that goal.
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Iran was neutral and not "Islamist" during both World Wars. We saw how the west respects neutrality. If The Saudis and Turkey were truly independent neutral states as you claim, they would not be subservient to the Zionist occupiers of Palestine in direct contradiction to the will of their citizens!
 
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ShapurII said:
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You can see reinforcing bars that are visible. This photo is from Weizmann.

As for HaKirya, Google is doing an extreme censorship to pretend it was not hit. But I remember very clearly that it was hit and we did some structural damage to the ground floor. A direct impact could be seen very clearly. And that's why the Israelis said it would take 3-4 months to reopen Netanyahu's office there.
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There is another building in the Weizmann institute that was hit directly and was totally destroyed.
 
PakAl said:
Israel announced they will carry out 14 days operation and finished it on the 12st day. They will come for some more. Hopefully Iran is prepared.
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Where did Israel declare the duration of their offensive against Iran?
 
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Iran was rejected by the old world system and will be left behind by the new world system. In 20-30 years, Iranians will flee to Afghanistan for better opportunities.


Kyussis said:
Khamenei let them do it because he is the leader of the Islamic republic of Iran and the people of Iran keep voting for these reformist sellouts. Khamenei knows if he acts against the reformists, the Islamic Republic will unravel into chaos and civil war. So in true democratic fashion Iran has to suffer at the hands of the idiot masses who never learn and keep voting for the Reformist clowns!
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Assuming you're right, then he should resign and let someone with willpower govern for the good of the country then. He should hang zarif for his failures and remove pezeshkian but he doesn't, because khamenei is pro-whatever keeps Iran weak, isolated, and powerless. He is happy to let the reformists do their wrecking. zarif, rouhani, pezeshkian, khamenei, all must be removed in one way or another for Iran to be saved.
 
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BigMela2onin said:
Assuming you're right, then he should resign and let someone with willpower govern for the good of the country then. He should hang zarif for his failures and remove pezeshkian but he doesn't, because khamenei is pro-whatever keeps Iran weak, isolated, and powerless. He is happy to let the reformists do their wrecking. zarif, rouhani, pezeshkian, khamenei, all must be removed in one way or another for Iran to be saved.
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If Khamenei touches Zarif or any of the reformists, He will have another "green" revolution on his hands and Iran will fall into chaos at a time when Israel is getting ready to attack! That is what he is trying to avert at all cost. He knows that at this time when the treat war is looming, national unity is more important than internal squabbles.

I loath Pezeshkian and all the back handed reformists who's only goal is to demonstrate Iranian weakness to the world to force the notion that only capitulation can be our salvation. I don't remember reading Iran having constant power outages when President Riasi was alive, but as soon as the Reformist came back in power, low and behold the energy rich nation of Iran, can't seem to keep the power on. There is nothing more that I would like to see, other than for Ayatollah Khamenei to give a decree for the arrest and execution of all these Traitors and to act like the dictator that everyone accuses him of being but alas he actually respects the wishes of Iranian voters!
 
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Kyussis said:
If Khamenei touches Zarif or any of the reformists, He will have another "green" revolution on his hands and Iran will fall into chaos at a time when Israel is getting ready to attack! That is what he is trying to avert at all cost. He knows that at this time when the treat war is looming, national unity is more important than internal squabbles.

I loath Pezeshkian and all the back handed reformists who's only goal is to demonstrate Iranian weakness to the world to force the notion that only capitulation can be our salvation. I don't remember reading Iran having constant power outages when President Riasi was alive, but as soon as the Reformist came back in power, low and behold the energy rich nation of Iran, can't seem to keep the power on. There is nothing more that I would like to see, other than for Ayatollah Khamenei to give a decree for the arrest and execution of all these Traitors and to act like the dictator that everyone accuses him of being but alas he actually respects the wishes of Iranian voters!
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This only makes sense if you ignore all surrounding context. Why did khamenei ban nuclear weapons, impose missile range restrictions, spend billions on foreign armed groups, and constantly antagonize the whites while insisting on domestic enrichment, completely neglected domestic military development, abandoned all proxies instantly, and backed down from every military conflict with the whites as soon as possible? These are the actions of the world's most pathetic and incompetent leader in history or the deliberate actions of a foreign agent designed to destroy Iran. He lets reformists run rampant destroying everything because those are his orders from his handlers, and he can avoid the blame to stay in power and continue to destroy things. They did not need to let reformists run a candidate, but they did and they continue to do so intentionally.
 
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