Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[ShapurII]

1. IRIAF refused to buy the Qaher-313 because it did not meet the air force's requirement. The IRGC decided that they wanted unmanned versions of the Qaher 313 in different sizes for the IRGC Navy's Drone carrier as was shown a few months back.

Oh, why not? It was a wonderful super-stealth 5th gen. aircraft!

2. Greece operates the Russian S-300 PMU-2 ( same version as Iran).The IAF has trained extensively against the Greek S-300 PMU-2s and is very familiar with that system.

Greece operates PMU-1, not PMU-2. And your logic also applies to Qatari AD. Do you think the IAF is not familiar with Patriot?

3. Israel's population is made up of a large minority of Russian Jews and Russia will pursue her foreign policy the way they deem best for them. China also will pursue its own relationship with Israel the way they deem best for them. The J-10 fighters that our Pakistani friends here insisted on Iran buying came from the Israeli Levi project which Israel had sold some of the technology to China. Just because Russia and China have their own foreign policy towards Israel does not mean that Iran would best be served by placating to the U.S and Europe who are outright controlled by Zionists to the extent that they are enabling and excusing the Genocide of the Palestinians in 4k Infront of the whole world to see. The Attack in Doha proves that being a "strategic Ally" of the U.S with U.S forces based on your land does not spare you from being attacked by Israel.

That logic applies to the West as well. So, why is it wrong to turn West if Russia is in bed with the Israelis as well? Not to mention that Russia has been dead silent on Israeli genocide in Palestine.
I would say Ireland, Spain and even Poland are more anti-Israel than Russia. And many Israelis are in fact from Poland! In fact, even Netanyahu is from Poland!
The only thing that J-10C and Lavi have in common is some apparent inspirations in design.
The attack on Tehran proves that being an ally with Russia means absolutely nothing because when you need them, they will side with your enemy. I'd rather be an enemy of Russia than her friend.

4. When It comes to Khamenei and Russia, Khamenei is leader of the revolution. He is not the Government. Many times Khamenei has spoken out against negotiations with the U.S, but guess what, the elected Government has gone out on its own and pursued negotiations with the U.S despite Khamenei's expressed opposition to the negotiations. There is no way for Khamenei to force Iran to act in a way that contradicts the desires of the Iranian Government, especially western oriented Reformist governments, without all hell breaking lose. They would be accusing Ayatollah Khamenei of being a Russian agent long before you ever came up with that thought!

Give me a break. It was Khamenei that created the Ghalibaf-Jalili tension to facilitate the presidency of Pezeshkian. Khamenei has been doing this for far too long. He always picks a reformist candidate when he wants to negotiate with the West.
And your entire comment is false. Khamenei has the legal power to oust the president any moment he wants. No president in Iran will become president without Khamenei's validation (تنفیذ). All of these things are facts from the IR constitution. Khamenei himself said Pezeshkian was doing a great job. What else do you need him to say to realize that he agrees with all of this nonsense in Iran?

To be honest, I don't care about Khamenei's education. All I care about is that he banned nuclear weapons and dragged us into this situation without an exit plan. We have been under sanctions for nearly 25 years for absolutely no reason. And my other issue with him is that he continues to be pro-Russia even though Russia constantly betrays Iran.

 

[BigMela2onin]

Islamo-Marxist

Islamo-communist

I see you repeat this trope a lot and I don't understand where you get this idea from. Iran is about as hyper-capitalist as it gets. If you think subsidies are communism then you're just plain wrong. There is no central planning in Iran (this is actually no planning at all) and policy is determined by capitalist oligarchs pursuing policies to enrich themselves. You have an oligarchic capitalist faction in power literally now. The only way to make the country any more capitalist would be to get rid of the subsidies, but then I assume your goal is to make the average Iranian have about as much purchasing power as the average Afghan.

 

[Kyussis]

Man these Khamenei cult people have no shame left. They are laughing on the fact that thousand Iranian civilians lost their lives because Iran has no nukes, no ICBMs, No IRIAF, no SSBN yet it choose to fight a war that it has no stake in, that too against world powers.

Iranian girls, babies, our mothers and daughters were crushed under rubble but these Low IQ Islamist cultists are finding it funny. How sick can one be to become like this? Iranian nation will never ever forgive these scumbags.

The laugh emoji I gave you was well deserved for distilling my argument to "Strawman argument". How dare you say that I think that dead Iranians are funny. You repugnant peace of work!

 

[ShapurII]

The laugh emoji I gave you was well deserved for distilling my argument to "Strawman argument". How dare you say that I think that dead Iranians are funny. You repugnant peace of work!

You do realize that you overuse the laugh emoji for whatever you disagree with, right?
It doesn't bother me. Suit yourself, but it is trolling and can be misinterpreted.

 

[ToddE]

The laugh emoji I gave you was well deserved for distilling my argument to "Strawman argument". How dare you say that I think that dead Iranians are funny. You repugnant peace of work!

Stop twisting you low IQ Khamenei cultist. You laughed at me mentioning 500 Billion USD of Iranian nation lost fighting for arabs and thousands of Iranians dead due to IRI getting involved in Israel-Arab conflict. Stop hiding, you are a Shameless IRI Cultist, keep laughing at ruined economy, deterence gone, national honour gone, hundreds of billions wasted for "Palestine, Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, Yemen", keep laughing at shreds of Iranian civilians bobmed to pieces. But then again your leader himself said that Iran is not important in middle of war so what can be expected from his low IQ cult followers. Keep laughing at 25 years of sanctions, isolation, gift from Khamenei to Iranian nation.

 

[ToddE]

You do realize that you overuse the laugh emoji for whatever you disagree with, right?
It doesn't bother me. Suit yourself, but it is trolling and can be misinterpreted.

I wonder do these people even have empathy towards nation and fellow Iranians ? its like when FBI catches serial killers or mass murderers, they ask them if they feel remorse to determine their mental state, the basic most difference between right and wrong.

2800 years old empire that gave birth to entire region being deliberately made poor, defenseless, isolated because of false irrational policies, Iranians are dying, borders are at danger yet these people feel nothing as long as some illiterate and soft Mullah rules Tehran. This is pure low IQ at display here.

 

[Kyussis]

Oh, why not? It was a wonderful super-stealth 5th gen. aircraft!

Is it really, or was it an embarrassing flop presented at the end of the Ahmadinejad's 2nd term?

Greece operates PMU-1, not PMU-2. And your logic also applies to Qatari AD. Do you think the IAF is not familiar with Patriot?

Indeed you are right about PMU-1. Do you seriously think that the U.S would allow Qatar to defend itself from Israeli strikes using any of the systems it has sold Qatar?

That logic applies to the West as well. So, why is it wrong to turn West if Russia is in bed with the Israelis as well? Not to mention that Russia has been dead silent on Israeli genocide in Palestine.

Here is what I found with a quick little search.

I would say Ireland, Spain and even Poland are more anti-Israel than Russia. And many Israelis are in fact from Poland! In fact, even Netanyahu is from Poland!
The only thing that J-10C and Lavi have in common is some apparent inspirations in design.
The attack on Tehran proves that being an ally with Russia means absolutely nothing because when you need them, they will side with your enemy. I'd rather be an enemy of Russia than her friend.

Why? Because they didn't come fight for US? Or because we haven't received Su-35s?

Give me a break. It was Khamenei that created the Ghalibaf-Jalili tension to facilitate the presidency of Pezeshkian. Khamenei has been doing this for far too long. He always picks a reformist candidate when he wants to negotiate with the West.

Can you back these claims up with proof?

And your entire comment is false. Khamenei has the legal power to oust the president any moment he wants. No president in Iran will become president without Khamenei's validation (تنفیذ). All of these things are facts from the IR constitution. Khamenei himself said Pezeshkian was doing a great job. What else do you need him to say to realize that he agrees with all of this nonsense in Iran?

As leader of the revolution, what do you think would happen to the Islamic revolution if Khamenei overthrow the elected President of the Republic? Do you think it will bring harmony and unity or the opposite?

To be honest, I don't care about Khamenei's education. All I care about is that he banned nuclear weapons and dragged us into this situation without an exit plan. We have been under sanctions for nearly 25 years for absolutely no reason. And my other issue with him is that he continues to be pro-Russia even though Russia constantly betrays Iran.

He banned nuclear weapons on Moral grounds and to take away the excuse for the sanctions. The sanctions still remain meaning that the sanctions are not related to Nuclear weapons. The sanctions are there because it is not in the interest of the U.S and definitely not in the interest of the "greater isreal project" for there to be a viable energy rich powerful Iran in any form.

 

[ShapurII]

Is it really, or was it an embarrassing flop presented at the end of the Ahmadinejad's 2nd term?

It was a flop presented at the end of Ahmadinejad's 2nd term but it continued to haunt us for a while. They even showed its taxi in the Rohani administration.

Indeed you are right about PMU-1. Do you seriously think that the U.S would allow Qatar to defend itself from Israeli strikes using any of the systems it has sold Qatar?

No, I don't disagree with that part of your statement. But was Syria allowed to use its S-300 against Israel? Did the Russians ever use S-400 against Israel in Syria? Did our S-300s score against Israel? Even a single ALCM?

Here is what I found with a quick little search.

Fair enough, at least that's a constructive response. But I don't think you'd disagree that Russia has been much less critical of Israel compared to many European nations.

Why? Because they didn't come fight for US? Or because we haven't received Su-35s?

Did you read what Golani said today? And yes, Sukhoi-35 is a big part of it. But I can write you a long list, composing at least 20 incidents where Russians undermined our national security when we needed them the most. Yet, when they were isolated and needed quick help in Ukraine, we were the first country to send them thousands of Shahed drones. Probably to the point that it emptied our own stock of Shahed drones, as we didn't fire many during the 12-day battle.

Can you back these claims up with proof?

Define proof. Do you want me to show you a letter signed by Khamenei that says Ghalibaf and Jalili should play against each other to take down the popular vote of the conservatives? If that's your definition of proof, then no. But all I can tell you is that even my most optimistic reformist friends could not imagine that Pezeshkian would win the election. If it weren't for Jalili, Ghalibaf would've been the president with a landslide victory.

As leader of the revolution, what do you think would happen to the Islamic revolution if Khamenei overthrow the elected President of the Republic? Do you think it will bring harmony and unity or the opposite?

It would bring harmony because most people are either against the entirety of the system or Pezeshkian. Such a move would show that the regime has not abandoned the country to its fate. Was Khomeini stupid? Why did he oust Bani-Sadr in the middle of Iraq-Iran war, which was way more serious than a 12-day battle with Israel?
The regime is even losing its supporters because of Pezeshkian's policies. And trust me, it doesn't have that many supporters left. The majority of people are tired of the situation, including the anti-West ones who are the backbone of this regime's supporters.

He banned nuclear weapons on Moral grounds and to take away the excuse for the sanctions. The sanctions still remain meaning that the sanctions are not related to Nuclear weapons. The sanctions are there because it is not in the interest of the U.S and definitely not in the interest of the "greater isreal project" for there to be a viable energy rich powerful Iran in any form.

So, Iran has to be sacrificed for his delusions? The sanctions remained with his fatwa and they even attacked us, and they will continue to attack us as long as they see we cannot defend ourselves properly. We have been made an example for the world to see what a wrong nuclear policy can do to a resource-rich nation. Every time they want to discuss a failed state that pursued a nuclear program in vain, Iran is brought up.

 

[Kyussis]

I wonder do these people even have empathy towards nation and fellow Iranians ? its like when FBI catches serial killers or mass murderers, they ask them if they feel remorse to determine their mental state, the basic most difference between right and wrong.

2800 years old empire that gave birth to entire region being deliberately made poor, defenseless, isolated because of false irrational policies, Iranians are dying, borders are at danger yet these people feel nothing as long as some illiterate and soft Mullah rules Tehran. This is pure low IQ at display here.

What alternative do you see to the Islamic Republic? I don't see any that doesn't break Iran apart and kill more Iranians! I see Maryam Rajavi and I see Reza Pahlavi and my "low IQ Khamenei cultist mind" mind picks the Islamic Republic with all its faults as the only viable option!

 

[Kyussis]

It was a flop presented at the end of Ahmadinejad's 2nd term but it continued to haunt us for a while. They even showed its taxi in the Rohani administration.

The IRIAF rejected it because they saw it as useless for their needs. The IRGC wanted to develop it into UCAV platforms.

No, I don't disagree with that part of your statement. But was Syria allowed to use its S-300 against Israel? Did the Russians ever use S-400 against Israel in Syria? Did our S-300s score against Israel? Even a single ALCM?

No Russia never used their S-400 against Israel but those were deployed explicitly for the protection of the Russian forces in Syria. IranianS-300s were linked to Bavar 373 FCRs but unfortunately those were taken out during the Initial phase of the war either By Spike ATGMs or Small loitering drones.

Fair enough, at least that's a constructive response. But I don't think you'd disagree that Russia has been much less critical of Israel compared to many European nations.


Did you read what Golani said today? And yes, Sukhoi-35 is a big part of it. But I can write you a long list, composing at least 20 incidents where Russians undermined our national security when we needed them the most. Yet, when they were isolated and needed quick help in Ukraine, we were the first country to send them thousands of Shahed drones. Probably to the point that it emptied our own stock of Shahed drones, as we didn't fire many during the 12-day battle.

No I haven't read what Golani said.
The Russians are out for themselves like anyone else and I can see why you have your grievances. I have mixed feelings about the sale of Shaheds to Russia, On one hand it as a positive for Iran to support Russia militarily in its fight against NATO. I don't think a victory over Russia would bare any positive fruits for Iran. On the other hand it give NATO and Israel experience to develop better countermeasures against them. According to Israel, Iran fired over 1000 drones against Israel. I don't think Iran was short on the Shaheds. I think they were pacing themselves because no one knew how long the war was going to last. It could also be that they had a hard time deploying them in large numbers do to constant harassment from Israeli Loitering drones.

Define proof. Do you want me to show you a letter signed by Khamenei that says Ghalibaf and Jalili should play against each other to take down the popular vote of the conservatives? If that's your definition of proof, then no. But all I can tell you is that even my most optimistic reformist friends could not imagine that Pezeshkian would win the election. If it weren't for Jalili, Ghalibaf would've been the president with a landslide victory.

Personally, I don't see why Ayatollah Khamenei would deliberately want to go from President Raisi who was more inline with Khamenei's foreign Policy thinking to someone like Pezeshkian who is always doing everything counter to what Khamenei says in his speeches.

It would bring harmony because most people are either against the entirety of the system or Pezeshkian. Such a move would show that the regime has not abandoned the country to its fate. Was Khomeini stupid? Why did he oust Bani-Sadr in the middle of Iraq-Iran war, which was way more serious than a 12-day battle with Israel?

Khomeini was a lot more hands on in how he ran Iran. Khamenei's approach is to allow the elected governments to run their own affairs with him just making speeches about the directions he wants Iran to go. My thoughts!

The regime is even losing its supporters because of Pezeshkian's policies. And trust me, it doesn't have that many supporters left. The majority of people are tired of the situation, including the anti-West ones who are the backbone of this regime's supporters.

Why would it be in Khamenei's interest for Pezeshkian to erode support in the Islamic Republic?

So, Iran has to be sacrificed for his delusions? The sanctions remained with his fatwa and they even attacked us, and they will continue to attack us as long as they see we cannot defend ourselves properly. We have been made an example for the world to see what a wrong nuclear policy can do to a resource-rich nation. Every time they want to discuss a failed state that pursued a nuclear program in vain, Iran is brought up.

Iran negotiated a solution to the Nuclear issue and kept up its part even when the U.S unilaterally withdrew from the agreement. It was first sanctioned despite this fact and eventually attacked as you have stated. Yet the Iranian public voted for a president who's only solution to the issue is More negotiations despite Iran being attacked in the Middle of the previous negotiations. This is where we are at today and I don't like it either.

 

[FUB]

fake Baseless post. Here is the profile of this individual. He is from the same clan as Mohsen Reyhani; accounts that are stationed in Israel, who are probably either Jews or Fake jews from Europe. There is no doubt that they are part of the misinformation campaign.

 

[FUB]

Just because Iran showed a prototype it doesn't automatically mean that the Air force will buy it. The IRIAF accessed the Qaher-313 and agreed with YOU that at best it presented the same capabilities as an F-5 if not worst!

You are deflecting once again about why Qatar which is a U.S "strategic partner" armed with real British, French and U.S made 4.5 Gen fighters and air defense missile shield proven to be able to counter medium ranged Ballistic missiles failed to defend Qatar from an Israeli attack. Like I said above you are a waste of time because you just throw around wild accusations like Khamenei is a "Russian asset" or "Qaher-313" or what ever else bull sh!t you pull from your behind and you ignore the reality!

" You are deflecting once again about why Qatar which is a U.S "strategic partner" armed with real British, French and U.S made 4.5 Gen fighters and air defense missile shield proven to be able to counter medium ranged Ballistic missiles failed to defend Qatar from an Israeli attack."

You bring up an excellent point. As of today, it has been three months since the war started. If Iran is so weak, then why are we not seeing repeated air strikes? There is certainly no shortage of aircraft, bombs, or tankers for refueling.

This brings us to the point that many military analysts were saying at the end of the war. Israel took a vicious beating on the counteroffensive, and if the US had not intervened, Iran would have laid to waste most of Israel's strategic and economic assets.

To the ones that say Iran attacked civilian targets, I say the entire shithole is the IDF. I have seen a massive influx of them moving in around me. A lot of them have left, and they will never return. Even with the might of world Jewry behind them, the blackmail, and everything else, their actions were a strategic failure.

I have yet to see any videos or images of IDF manned aircraft ( not drones) in Iranian skies.I have yet to see any concrete proof of any interception videos or anything else.
By their own admission, there were over 300+ strikes that were not intercepted, supposedly because they fell in open fields. Yet still, three months after the war ended, there is heavy censorship.

The missile cities are intact, and so are the production facilities.
No matter how many metal sheds are posted online being supposedly destroyed as missile production facilities, or the BS about the launchers, actions speak louder than words. Logical inference can be made that those statements are at odds with the facts.

 

[FUB]

The IRIAF rejected it because they saw it as useless for their needs. The IRGC wanted to develop it into UCAV platforms.

No Russia never used their S-400 against Israel but those were deployed explicitly for the protection of the Russian forces in Syria. IranianS-300s were linked to Bavar 373 FCRs but unfortunately those were taken out during the Initial phase of the war either By Spike ATGMs or Small loitering drones.

No I haven't read what Golani said.
The Russians are out for themselves like anyone else and I can see why you have your grievances. I have mixed feelings about the sale of Shaheds to Russia, On one hand it as a positive for Iran to support Russia militarily in its fight against NATO. I don't think a victory over Russia would bare any positive fruits for Iran. On the other hand it give NATO and Israel experience to develop better countermeasures against them. According to Israel, Iran fired over 1000 drones against Israel. I don't think Iran was short on the Shaheds. I think they were pacing themselves because no one knew how long the war was going to last. It could also be that they had a hard time deploying them in large numbers do to constant harassment from Israeli Loitering drones.

Personally, I don't see why Ayatollah Khamenei would deliberately want to go from President Raisi who was more inline with Khamenei's foreign Policy thinking to someone like Pezeshkian who is always doing everything counter to what Khamenei says in his speeches.

Khomeini was a lot more hands on in how he ran Iran. Khamenei's approach is to allow the elected governments to run their own affairs with him just making speeches about the directions he wants Iran to go. My thoughts!

Why would it be in Khamenei's interest for Pezeshkian to erode support in the Islamic Republic?

Iran negotiated a solution to the Nuclear issue and kept up its part even when the U.S unilaterally withdrew from the agreement. It was first sanctioned despite this fact and eventually attacked as you have stated. Yet the Iranian public voted for a president who's only solution to the issue is More negotiations despite Iran being attacked in the Middle of the previous negotiations. This is where we are at today and I don't like it either.

I am not an Islamist or a monarchist. There is no doubt, at this juncture, the current government of Iran is the only hope we have of keeping Iran intact.

These geocidal maniacs are the same people who stranded Reza Pahlavi. They are the same ones that started the Iraq-Iran war. Do not forget that. No matter how many times the young Pahlavi gets on his knees and kisses the Zionist ring, they have a mission, and that is to break Iran apart and destroy its deterrent capability.

Let's be real, the original Islamic Republic leaders were not much different than the Taliban. They made one strategic blunder after another. When you have leaders who are not educated and do not understand geopolitics, you end up with the embassy takeover. At that time, the US was the world's manufacturing juggernaut, with military technology that was decades ahead of the Soviets. It is a mistake that we are paying the price for today. Then came all of the other blunders of getting involved in the Lebanese civil war, Ghazzafi, on and on. The list is endless.

It is noble to voice outrage against the Palestinian land theft, but it was not our business to go head-to-head with world Jewry. Once again, a lack of education and ignorance of history led to blunder after blunder. These vicious satanic creatures were fresh from slaughtering 80-100 million Christians in Russia and Eastern Europe, including the killing of 300.000 priests. What did our excellent leaders do? They antagonized satan's children.

Now we're at this juncture. Iran goes to war like Russia, and it will survive. Iran goes the route of Libya, and Khamenei will have the same fate: a bayonet in his rectum.

Iran's biggest enemies are internal. I wish we had a leader who would clean house. If that were to happen, no matter how many sanctions they pass into law, snap back BS, they would be unable to do anything. The collective West has nothing to offer but financial fuckary. Their leaders are hollowing out their own countries and enriching themselves. They have nothing to offer Iran.

They need to wake up in Iran. This is your enemy.

 

[BigMela2onin]

Let's be real, the original Islamic Republic leaders were not much different than the Taliban. They made one strategic blunder after another. When you have leaders who are not educated and do not understand geopolitics, you end up with the embassy takeover. At that time, the US was the world's manufacturing juggernaut, with military technology that was decades ahead of the Soviets. It is a mistake that we are paying the price for today. Then came all of the other blunders of getting involved in the Lebanese civil war, Ghazzafi, on and on. The list is endless.

Iran has never been that different than Afghanistan. We got some modernization with Reza Shah, but he basically just copied Ataturk, then ****ed it up by getting close to the Nazis. The revolution was basically a counter-revolution of rural conservative semi-feudal rich who had traditionally held power against the new generation of urban capitalists.
Ironically, I think if we had been colonized, we would not be having these problems today. It is part of the reason we don't have a strong nationalist movement within the country.

 

[FUB]

These people are making the decisions for the country that are detrimental, and they are up against a skilled, ruthless enemy. I am doubtful about their Doctorates or PHD. There is no evidence of Ghalibaf attending these universities. Anyone who has obtained a Juris Doctorate, or a PHD, knows that enormous time and commitment it takes.

Ghalibaf:

Education​

Ghalibaf obtained bachelor in human geography from Tehran University, master in human geography from Islamic Azad University and PhD in political geography from Tarbiat Modares University.

Abbas Araghchi:
We know he is not fluent in English. This university of Kent seems to be a BS institution .
Araghchi earned a Bachelor's degree in International Relations from the School of International Relations, affiliated with the Ministry of Foreign Affairs. He then obtained a Master's degree in Political Science from Islamic Azad University, Central Tehran Branch. Additionally, Araghchi holds a Ph.D. in Political Thought from the University of Kent with a thesis entitled 'The evolution of the concept of political participation in twentieth-century Islamic political thought

Hassan Rouhani
He barely speak English. How do you study law abroad when you can not speak English.
Anyone who has studied American Jurisprudence would call it BS. I am calling it BS.

In addition, he studied modern courses, and was admitted to the University of Tehran in 1969, and obtained a BA degree in Judicial Law in 1972. Rouhani continued his studies at Glasgow Caledonian University in Scotland, and graduated in 1995 with an MPhil degree in Law with his thesis entitled The Islamic legislative power with reference to the Iranian experience and a PhD degree in Constitutional Law in 1999 for a thesis titled The Flexibility of Shariah (Islamic Law) with reference to the Iranian experience.

Gholam-Hossein Mohseni-Eje'i​

He is a graduate of the Haqqani school in Qom, and one of his teachers was Mesbah Yazdi. He was the Iranian minister of intelligence from 2005 to July 2009,

Ali Larijani​

Larijani is a graduate of Qom seminary. He also holds a Bachelor of Science degree in computer science and mathematics from Aryamehr University of Technology