Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

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By Shelby Holliday, Michael R. Gordon, Lara Seligma, Summer Said Sept. 12, 2025 2:40

Israel carried out a missile strike against Hamas leaders in Qatar, using long-range missiles launched from warplanes in the Red Sea.

As Israeli war planners plotted a secret strike on Hamas political leaders in Qatar, they chose a plan that enabled them to attack quickly and limited the opportunity for the U.S. to object.

The operation, which was carried out Tuesday, relied on warplanes that fired long range missiles, avoided the airspace of Arab countries and left the Trump administration in the dark until the last moments.

Israeli jet fighters, eight F-15s and four F-35s, flew to the Red Sea, on the opposite side of the Arabian Peninsula from Qatar. From there, some of the planes fired the air-launched ballistic missiles into space over Saudi Arabia at Doha, several U.S. officials said.

This account of the attack is based on interviews with multiple senior U.S. officials briefed on the operation.

It wasn’t until minutes before the strike that Israel notified the U.S. military it was carrying out an attack against Hamas, several officials said. The Israelis didn’t initially provide precise information on the target, they added. But space-based U.S. sensors that detect infrared heat signatures picked up the launch and the trajectory of the missiles, confirming Doha as the destination.

None of the information came in time to enable the Trump administration to head off the attack.

“Notice was given so close to actual launching of missiles that there was no way to reverse or halt the order,” said a senior U.S. defense official, who called the operation “absolutely unimaginable.”

The U.S. Central Command alerted Gen. Dan Caine, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, who in turn informed the White House, U.S. officials said. President Trump directed special envoy Steve Witkoff to notify the Qataris, according to the White House. But it was too late. Qatar said the warning arrived around 10 minutes after the missiles landed.

A White House spokeswoman referred to a post by Trump on Truth Social after the attack.

“Unilaterally bombing inside Qatar, a Sovereign Nation and close Ally of the United States, that is working very hard and bravely taking risks with us to broker Peace, doesn’t advance Israel or America’s goals,” Trump wrote.
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Note: Route is approximate and schematic for illustrative purposes
Sources: staff reports; American Security Project (U.S. facilities)
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The details illustrate how Israel was able to pull off a long-range attack on the soil of an important American partner. It also highlighted the extent of Israel’s military superiority over the rest of the region and its ability to deploy it at vast distances with high accuracy.

By positioning its jet fighters in the Red Sea and firing missiles that went into space, Israel sought to avoid accusations that it had violated Saudi Arabia’s airspace in conducting the attack. Saudi officials have condemned the attack but haven’t referred publicly to Israel’s firing of missiles over their territory.

Yet Israel failed to kill Hamas’s top political leaders including Khalil Al-Hayya and Zaher Jabarin as they gathered to discuss the latest U.S. proposal for ending the war in Gaza. Those leaders steer the group’s international relations and help raise funds but don’t join in fighting like the military wing in Gaza.

Arab officials familiar with the incident said the Hamas political leaders weren’t in the room that was hit but were nearby. Some of them were seriously injured and rushed to the hospital, several officials said.

Instead, the Israeli strike killed an array of lower-ranking Hamas officials and a member of Qatar’s internal security force. Israeli officials acknowledged privately that the attack probably didn’t kill all its targets but said they were still assessing the results.

A visit to the building by a Wall Street Journal reporter shows that the middle floor was largely destroyed by the missiles, along with the right side of the ground floor. But the structure was still standing, and the rest of it suffered little damage, suggesting a highly precise strike with small warheads.

The surrounding streets were blocked by military and security forces. “You can’t go here,” a man in a blue military beret said, waving away a visitor.

“Israel, led by blusterous extremists, has gone beyond any borders, any limitations when it comes to behavior,” Qatar’s Prime Minister Mohammed bin Abdulrahman al-Thani said at a meeting of the United Nations Security Council in New York.

“How can we host Israeli representatives when they have committed this attack?” he said, referring to Qatar’s role as mediator in peace talks between Hamas and Israel.

The Security Council on Thursday condemned the strike, but didn’t mention Israel in the statement agreed to by all 15 members, including the U.S.

Israel’s arsenal of air-launched ballistic missiles was disclosed in U.S. intelligence documents leaked in 2024. The reports referred to two different missiles—the “Golden Horizon” and the ISO2, or Rocks, system—that the intelligence documents said had been observed at Israel’s Hatzerim air base in the Negev Desert, along with F-15s.

Trump held a heated call with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu on Tuesday, conveying deep frustration at being blindsided, the Journal has reported. Trump argued the attack was unwise and was angry that he learned about it from the U.S. military, rather than from Israel, the officials said.

Netanyahu told Trump that he had a brief window to launch the strikes and took the shot. In a more cordial follow-up call, Trump asked if the attack was successful, and Netanyahu said he didn’t know. Qatar hosts thousands of American troops, many serving at Al Udeid air base outside Doha.

The strike, following Israel’s surprise attack on Iran in June, has set back years of effort to build diplomatic relations between Israel and the Arab states of the Persian Gulf. None of the Arab states who have established relations with Israel under the Abraham Accords have suspended ties since the Qatar operation.

“I think this attack is another landmark in portraying Israel as a rogue state not taking into account international laws and norms,” said Ofer Guterman, a senior researcher at the Tel Aviv-based Institute for National Security Studies. “It hurts Israel’s reputation globally, and in the region it amplifies the fear we see among Arab states that Israel is now a loose cannon with hegemonic aspirations.”

Arab leaders were enraged and plan to meet soon in Doha to craft a response. Israeli officials say they are still open to talks with Hamas on ending the Gaza war and that Hamas has been the main obstacle, but Arab officials say the operation has hurt Israel’s standing.

The attack may hinder U.S. efforts to build a regional air defense system involving Israel and Arab states, aimed at Iran, some Middle East officials say. At the time of the attack, U.S. troops were conducting exercises in Egypt with Qatar, Saudi Arabia and other regional partners.
Very hard to believe this version.
 
After Qatar's rape by IAF, newest most logic Khamanei cultists are spreading is that because Arabs with their advanced weapons failed against Israel so whats the point of military detrence. Their effort is aimed at minimizing the sins of Khamenei against Iranian nation which he and his group of sycophants committed to kill the Iranian deterrence. Nukes (fatva), ICBMs (limiting range), IRIAF (budget cuts), SSBNs (budget cuts), 500+ Billion USD lost on arab proxies while IRIAF was run at 200 million USD, political appointments of corrupt and undeserving individuals in military (Salami, Qaani, Vahedi) etc. These low IQ cultist followers of Islamo-communist IRI system think Iranians will forget this all easily but no we would not.

I laughed so hard few weeks ago when state media was running the story that Khamenei was secretly pro-nuke all this time LOL. The man who politicised the Iranian national security at international stage by getting Iran involved in Arab-JEW CONFLICT is now trying to control the damage he himself caused.
The Qataris defenses didn't "fail" against Israel. They were never activated in the first place because all their systems are western and they will never ever be used against Israel.
 
The Qataris defenses didn't "fail" against Israel. They were never activated in the first place because all their systems are western and they will never ever be used against Israel.

Straw-man argument wont work here. Syrian AD was built entirely by Russia and was in some ways even more dense than Iranian IADS in 2015, how did it get destroyed by IAF? How did locally made Iranian IADS took hits at its entire Search n Track assets by IAF? Did not OTH's pick huge refuelers and massivs RCS F-15 carrying SOWs flying over Jordan and Iraq? why did not IRIAF was scrambled on QRA, Oh wait there is no IRIAF any more.

This west vs east exists in your mind only. Countries look for lives of their citizens only for which they build deterrence, whether systems are eastern or western or local. They will go to any length to defend their people and national honor. IRI just gave a sacrifice of 500+ Billion USD wasted on proxies and lives of thousands of Iranians in name of "fighting Amerika and Israel". No mental gymnastics can change that.
 
Man these Khamenei cult people have no shame left. They are laughing on the fact that thousand Iranian civilians lost their lives because Iran has no nukes, no ICBMs, No IRIAF, no SSBN yet it choose to fight a war that it has no stake in, that too against world powers.

Iranian girls, babies, our mothers and daughters were crushed under rubble but these Low IQ Islamist cultists are finding it funny. How sick can one be to become like this? Iranian nation will never ever forgive these scumbags.
 
1. IRIAF refused to buy the Qaher-313 because it did not meet the air force's requirement. The IRGC decided that they wanted unmanned versions of the Qaher 313 in different sizes for the IRGC Navy's Drone carrier as was shown a few months back.
Oh, why not? It was a wonderful super-stealth 5th gen. aircraft!

2. Greece operates the Russian S-300 PMU-2 ( same version as Iran).The IAF has trained extensively against the Greek S-300 PMU-2s and is very familiar with that system.
Greece operates PMU-1, not PMU-2. And your logic also applies to Qatari AD. Do you think the IAF is not familiar with Patriot?

3. Israel's population is made up of a large minority of Russian Jews and Russia will pursue her foreign policy the way they deem best for them. China also will pursue its own relationship with Israel the way they deem best for them. The J-10 fighters that our Pakistani friends here insisted on Iran buying came from the Israeli Levi project which Israel had sold some of the technology to China. Just because Russia and China have their own foreign policy towards Israel does not mean that Iran would best be served by placating to the U.S and Europe who are outright controlled by Zionists to the extent that they are enabling and excusing the Genocide of the Palestinians in 4k Infront of the whole world to see. The Attack in Doha proves that being a "strategic Ally" of the U.S with U.S forces based on your land does not spare you from being attacked by Israel.
That logic applies to the West as well. So, why is it wrong to turn West if Russia is in bed with the Israelis as well? Not to mention that Russia has been dead silent on Israeli genocide in Palestine.
I would say Ireland, Spain and even Poland are more anti-Israel than Russia. And many Israelis are in fact from Poland! In fact, even Netanyahu is from Poland!
The only thing that J-10C and Lavi have in common is some apparent inspirations in design.
The attack on Tehran proves that being an ally with Russia means absolutely nothing because when you need them, they will side with your enemy. I'd rather be an enemy of Russia than her friend.

4. When It comes to Khamenei and Russia, Khamenei is leader of the revolution. He is not the Government. Many times Khamenei has spoken out against negotiations with the U.S, but guess what, the elected Government has gone out on its own and pursued negotiations with the U.S despite Khamenei's expressed opposition to the negotiations. There is no way for Khamenei to force Iran to act in a way that contradicts the desires of the Iranian Government, especially western oriented Reformist governments, without all hell breaking lose. They would be accusing Ayatollah Khamenei of being a Russian agent long before you ever came up with that thought!
Give me a break. It was Khamenei that created the Ghalibaf-Jalili tension to facilitate the presidency of Pezeshkian. Khamenei has been doing this for far too long. He always picks a reformist candidate when he wants to negotiate with the West.
And your entire comment is false. Khamenei has the legal power to oust the president any moment he wants. No president in Iran will become president without Khamenei's validation (تنفیذ). All of these things are facts from the IR constitution. Khamenei himself said Pezeshkian was doing a great job. What else do you need him to say to realize that he agrees with all of this nonsense in Iran?

To be honest, I don't care about Khamenei's education. All I care about is that he banned nuclear weapons and dragged us into this situation without an exit plan. We have been under sanctions for nearly 25 years for absolutely no reason. And my other issue with him is that he continues to be pro-Russia even though Russia constantly betrays Iran.
 
Islamo-Marxist

Islamo-communist
I see you repeat this trope a lot and I don't understand where you get this idea from. Iran is about as hyper-capitalist as it gets. If you think subsidies are communism then you're just plain wrong. There is no central planning in Iran (this is actually no planning at all) and policy is determined by capitalist oligarchs pursuing policies to enrich themselves. You have an oligarchic capitalist faction in power literally now. The only way to make the country any more capitalist would be to get rid of the subsidies, but then I assume your goal is to make the average Iranian have about as much purchasing power as the average Afghan.
 
Man these Khamenei cult people have no shame left. They are laughing on the fact that thousand Iranian civilians lost their lives because Iran has no nukes, no ICBMs, No IRIAF, no SSBN yet it choose to fight a war that it has no stake in, that too against world powers.

Iranian girls, babies, our mothers and daughters were crushed under rubble but these Low IQ Islamist cultists are finding it funny. How sick can one be to become like this? Iranian nation will never ever forgive these scumbags.
The laugh emoji I gave you was well deserved for distilling my argument to "Strawman argument". How dare you say that I think that dead Iranians are funny. You repugnant peace of work!
 
The laugh emoji I gave you was well deserved for distilling my argument to "Strawman argument". How dare you say that I think that dead Iranians are funny. You repugnant peace of work!
You do realize that you overuse the laugh emoji for whatever you disagree with, right?
It doesn't bother me. Suit yourself, but it is trolling and can be misinterpreted.
 
The laugh emoji I gave you was well deserved for distilling my argument to "Strawman argument". How dare you say that I think that dead Iranians are funny. You repugnant peace of work!

Stop twisting you low IQ Khamenei cultist. You laughed at me mentioning 500 Billion USD of Iranian nation lost fighting for arabs and thousands of Iranians dead due to IRI getting involved in Israel-Arab conflict. Stop hiding, you are a Shameless IRI Cultist, keep laughing at ruined economy, deterence gone, national honour gone, hundreds of billions wasted for "Palestine, Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, Yemen", keep laughing at shreds of Iranian civilians bobmed to pieces. But then again your leader himself said that Iran is not important in middle of war so what can be expected from his low IQ cult followers. Keep laughing at 25 years of sanctions, isolation, gift from Khamenei to Iranian nation.
 
You do realize that you overuse the laugh emoji for whatever you disagree with, right?
It doesn't bother me. Suit yourself, but it is trolling and can be misinterpreted.

I wonder do these people even have empathy towards nation and fellow Iranians ? its like when FBI catches serial killers or mass murderers, they ask them if they feel remorse to determine their mental state, the basic most difference between right and wrong.

2800 years old empire that gave birth to entire region being deliberately made poor, defenseless, isolated because of false irrational policies, Iranians are dying, borders are at danger yet these people feel nothing as long as some illiterate and soft Mullah rules Tehran. This is pure low IQ at display here.
 
Oh, why not? It was a wonderful super-stealth 5th gen. aircraft!
Is it really, or was it an embarrassing flop presented at the end of the Ahmadinejad's 2nd term?
Greece operates PMU-1, not PMU-2. And your logic also applies to Qatari AD. Do you think the IAF is not familiar with Patriot?
Indeed you are right about PMU-1. Do you seriously think that the U.S would allow Qatar to defend itself from Israeli strikes using any of the systems it has sold Qatar?
That logic applies to the West as well. So, why is it wrong to turn West if Russia is in bed with the Israelis as well? Not to mention that Russia has been dead silent on Israeli genocide in Palestine.
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I would say Ireland, Spain and even Poland are more anti-Israel than Russia. And many Israelis are in fact from Poland! In fact, even Netanyahu is from Poland!
The only thing that J-10C and Lavi have in common is some apparent inspirations in design.
The attack on Tehran proves that being an ally with Russia means absolutely nothing because when you need them, they will side with your enemy. I'd rather be an enemy of Russia than her friend.
Why? Because they didn't come fight for US? Or because we haven't received Su-35s?
Give me a break. It was Khamenei that created the Ghalibaf-Jalili tension to facilitate the presidency of Pezeshkian. Khamenei has been doing this for far too long. He always picks a reformist candidate when he wants to negotiate with the West.
Can you back these claims up with proof?
And your entire comment is false. Khamenei has the legal power to oust the president any moment he wants. No president in Iran will become president without Khamenei's validation (تنفیذ). All of these things are facts from the IR constitution. Khamenei himself said Pezeshkian was doing a great job. What else do you need him to say to realize that he agrees with all of this nonsense in Iran?
As leader of the revolution, what do you think would happen to the Islamic revolution if Khamenei overthrow the elected President of the Republic? Do you think it will bring harmony and unity or the opposite?
To be honest, I don't care about Khamenei's education. All I care about is that he banned nuclear weapons and dragged us into this situation without an exit plan. We have been under sanctions for nearly 25 years for absolutely no reason. And my other issue with him is that he continues to be pro-Russia even though Russia constantly betrays Iran.
He banned nuclear weapons on Moral grounds and to take away the excuse for the sanctions. The sanctions still remain meaning that the sanctions are not related to Nuclear weapons. The sanctions are there because it is not in the interest of the U.S and definitely not in the interest of the "greater isreal project" for there to be a viable energy rich powerful Iran in any form.
 
Is it really, or was it an embarrassing flop presented at the end of the Ahmadinejad's 2nd term?
It was a flop presented at the end of Ahmadinejad's 2nd term but it continued to haunt us for a while. They even showed its taxi in the Rohani administration.

Indeed you are right about PMU-1. Do you seriously think that the U.S would allow Qatar to defend itself from Israeli strikes using any of the systems it has sold Qatar?
No, I don't disagree with that part of your statement. But was Syria allowed to use its S-300 against Israel? Did the Russians ever use S-400 against Israel in Syria? Did our S-300s score against Israel? Even a single ALCM?

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Fair enough, at least that's a constructive response. But I don't think you'd disagree that Russia has been much less critical of Israel compared to many European nations.

Why? Because they didn't come fight for US? Or because we haven't received Su-35s?
Did you read what Golani said today? And yes, Sukhoi-35 is a big part of it. But I can write you a long list, composing at least 20 incidents where Russians undermined our national security when we needed them the most. Yet, when they were isolated and needed quick help in Ukraine, we were the first country to send them thousands of Shahed drones. Probably to the point that it emptied our own stock of Shahed drones, as we didn't fire many during the 12-day battle.

Can you back these claims up with proof?
Define proof. Do you want me to show you a letter signed by Khamenei that says Ghalibaf and Jalili should play against each other to take down the popular vote of the conservatives? If that's your definition of proof, then no. But all I can tell you is that even my most optimistic reformist friends could not imagine that Pezeshkian would win the election. If it weren't for Jalili, Ghalibaf would've been the president with a landslide victory.

As leader of the revolution, what do you think would happen to the Islamic revolution if Khamenei overthrow the elected President of the Republic? Do you think it will bring harmony and unity or the opposite?
It would bring harmony because most people are either against the entirety of the system or Pezeshkian. Such a move would show that the regime has not abandoned the country to its fate. Was Khomeini stupid? Why did he oust Bani-Sadr in the middle of Iraq-Iran war, which was way more serious than a 12-day battle with Israel?
The regime is even losing its supporters because of Pezeshkian's policies. And trust me, it doesn't have that many supporters left. The majority of people are tired of the situation, including the anti-West ones who are the backbone of this regime's supporters.

He banned nuclear weapons on Moral grounds and to take away the excuse for the sanctions. The sanctions still remain meaning that the sanctions are not related to Nuclear weapons. The sanctions are there because it is not in the interest of the U.S and definitely not in the interest of the "greater isreal project" for there to be a viable energy rich powerful Iran in any form.
So, Iran has to be sacrificed for his delusions? The sanctions remained with his fatwa and they even attacked us, and they will continue to attack us as long as they see we cannot defend ourselves properly. We have been made an example for the world to see what a wrong nuclear policy can do to a resource-rich nation. Every time they want to discuss a failed state that pursued a nuclear program in vain, Iran is brought up.
 
I wonder do these people even have empathy towards nation and fellow Iranians ? its like when FBI catches serial killers or mass murderers, they ask them if they feel remorse to determine their mental state, the basic most difference between right and wrong.

2800 years old empire that gave birth to entire region being deliberately made poor, defenseless, isolated because of false irrational policies, Iranians are dying, borders are at danger yet these people feel nothing as long as some illiterate and soft Mullah rules Tehran. This is pure low IQ at display here.
What alternative do you see to the Islamic Republic? I don't see any that doesn't break Iran apart and kill more Iranians! I see Maryam Rajavi and I see Reza Pahlavi and my "low IQ Khamenei cultist mind" mind picks the Islamic Republic with all its faults as the only viable option!
 
It was a flop presented at the end of Ahmadinejad's 2nd term but it continued to haunt us for a while. They even showed its taxi in the Rohani administration.
The IRIAF rejected it because they saw it as useless for their needs. The IRGC wanted to develop it into UCAV platforms.
No, I don't disagree with that part of your statement. But was Syria allowed to use its S-300 against Israel? Did the Russians ever use S-400 against Israel in Syria? Did our S-300s score against Israel? Even a single ALCM?
No Russia never used their S-400 against Israel but those were deployed explicitly for the protection of the Russian forces in Syria. IranianS-300s were linked to Bavar 373 FCRs but unfortunately those were taken out during the Initial phase of the war either By Spike ATGMs or Small loitering drones.
Fair enough, at least that's a constructive response. But I don't think you'd disagree that Russia has been much less critical of Israel compared to many European nations.


Did you read what Golani said today? And yes, Sukhoi-35 is a big part of it. But I can write you a long list, composing at least 20 incidents where Russians undermined our national security when we needed them the most. Yet, when they were isolated and needed quick help in Ukraine, we were the first country to send them thousands of Shahed drones. Probably to the point that it emptied our own stock of Shahed drones, as we didn't fire many during the 12-day battle.
No I haven't read what Golani said.
The Russians are out for themselves like anyone else and I can see why you have your grievances. I have mixed feelings about the sale of Shaheds to Russia, On one hand it as a positive for Iran to support Russia militarily in its fight against NATO. I don't think a victory over Russia would bare any positive fruits for Iran. On the other hand it give NATO and Israel experience to develop better countermeasures against them. According to Israel, Iran fired over 1000 drones against Israel. I don't think Iran was short on the Shaheds. I think they were pacing themselves because no one knew how long the war was going to last. It could also be that they had a hard time deploying them in large numbers do to constant harassment from Israeli Loitering drones.
Define proof. Do you want me to show you a letter signed by Khamenei that says Ghalibaf and Jalili should play against each other to take down the popular vote of the conservatives? If that's your definition of proof, then no. But all I can tell you is that even my most optimistic reformist friends could not imagine that Pezeshkian would win the election. If it weren't for Jalili, Ghalibaf would've been the president with a landslide victory.
Personally, I don't see why Ayatollah Khamenei would deliberately want to go from President Raisi who was more inline with Khamenei's foreign Policy thinking to someone like Pezeshkian who is always doing everything counter to what Khamenei says in his speeches.
It would bring harmony because most people are either against the entirety of the system or Pezeshkian. Such a move would show that the regime has not abandoned the country to its fate. Was Khomeini stupid? Why did he oust Bani-Sadr in the middle of Iraq-Iran war, which was way more serious than a 12-day battle with Israel?
Khomeini was a lot more hands on in how he ran Iran. Khamenei's approach is to allow the elected governments to run their own affairs with him just making speeches about the directions he wants Iran to go. My thoughts!
The regime is even losing its supporters because of Pezeshkian's policies. And trust me, it doesn't have that many supporters left. The majority of people are tired of the situation, including the anti-West ones who are the backbone of this regime's supporters.
Why would it be in Khamenei's interest for Pezeshkian to erode support in the Islamic Republic?
So, Iran has to be sacrificed for his delusions? The sanctions remained with his fatwa and they even attacked us, and they will continue to attack us as long as they see we cannot defend ourselves properly. We have been made an example for the world to see what a wrong nuclear policy can do to a resource-rich nation. Every time they want to discuss a failed state that pursued a nuclear program in vain, Iran is brought up.
Iran negotiated a solution to the Nuclear issue and kept up its part even when the U.S unilaterally withdrew from the agreement. It was first sanctioned despite this fact and eventually attacked as you have stated. Yet the Iranian public voted for a president who's only solution to the issue is More negotiations despite Iran being attacked in the Middle of the previous negotiations. This is where we are at today and I don't like it either.
 
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NM.jpg fake Baseless post. Here is the profile of this individual. He is from the same clan as Mohsen Reyhani; accounts that are stationed in Israel, who are probably either Jews or Fake jews from Europe. There is no doubt that they are part of the misinformation campaign.
 
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