Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[ShapurII]

So why do you want Iranians to risk life and limb to overthrow the Islamic republic if by your logic the result will remain the same or worst?

I didn't say that I wanted Iranians to do anything.
The fate of Iran is no longer in our hands. We're merely observers of a developing situation at this point.

So give up then? How many of us here live in Iran?

You guys need to start grassroots movements for change. Even in I.R. with all its faults, there must be some qualified leaders who can push reform.

That's pretty much me at this point. I give up.
There's a regime in power that does not listen to the people, does not even care about Iran, and then there's an opposition that is similarly corrupt and in bed with our enemies, and enemies that are waiting for the opportunity to tear Iran apart.

People can no longer make changes. This is not 1979 when people can do something. Today whatever you do is recorded and will be used against you. We live in a real dystopia.

 

[Shafagh]

The fate of Iran is no longer in our hands. We're merely observers of a developing situation at this point.

The fate of Iran is always in your hands.

You just decided to throw your hands in the air and declare "I give up! We're f***ed!"

 

[ShapurII]

The fate of Iran is always in your hands.

You just decided to throw your hands in the air and declare "I give up! We're f***ed!"

What else do you think a person like me can do?
Do you expect me to get my hands on fissile material and develop a nuke in my apartment and send it to faithful soldiers in the Army or the IRGC?

 

[Shafagh]

What else do you think a person like me can do?
Do you expect me to get my hands on fissile material and develop a nuke in my apartment and send it to faithful soldiers in the Army or the IRGC?

Yeah. Why don't you pick up a shovel and pickaxe and go to Fordo and help them dig... I'm kidding.

Of course not. But you can educate, coordinate, put together a group of people to rally the country. Identify promising leaders and elevate them. Iran needs this asap. 91 million people, you must have a few who can do it.

Maybe they won't pursue a nuke, maybe they will. But at least break this cycle of feckless diplomacy and indecision.

You need somebody who will be the face of tomorrow, not yesterday.

 

[ShapurII]

Yeah. Why don't you pick up a shovel and pickaxe and go to Fordo and help them dig... I'm kidding.

Of course not. But you can educate, coordinate, put together a group of people to rally the country. Identify promising leaders and elevate them. Iran needs this asap. 91 million people, you must have a few who can do it.

Maybe they won't pursue a nuke, maybe they will. But at least break this cycle of feckless diplomacy and indecision.

You need somebody who will be the face of tomorrow, not yesterday.

We don't have an education problem. Iranians are highly educated. We have some of the finest STEM graduates in the world. Every year hundreds of Iranians enter top 10 universities in the US, Canada and Europe. It has been so for 2 decades at least. We have world-class physicists and mathematicians that can compete with the best at the edge of science and technology but they will not work with this regime because they do not trust it. The ones who accept to work with this regime will have no fate better than those that were assassinated by Israel and nobody in the regime even batted an eye for them.

Why should you work with this regime when they cannot protect your life and do not even want to guarantee Iran's security? Do you think those nuclear scientists that were assassinated by Israel would've been happy with this situation had they remained alive?

This cycle of humiliation and more humiliation and more mismanagement will continue indefinitely until nothing remains of Iran. And this year is still one of our good years. We still have 3 years left with Trump, and the world is moving towards World War III, in which we will be one of the key victims.

 

[BigMela2onin]

You guys need to start grassroots movements for change. Even in I.R. with all its faults, there must be some qualified leaders who can push reform.

Why did you choose to leave the west and move to Japan? Iran decided to become a ****hole cracker kleptocracy just like the west but forgot they don't get the privilege that comes with being white. They intentionally destroyed their relationships with Asia and now are reaping the consequences of these moronic decisions. There is nothing to save, with modern tech anyone that could be a good leader can be killed easily just as Raisi and Soleimani were. The only way out of this was with China and IR ****ed it up.
Anyways with Trump's most recent tweet and the jew leader claiming he knows where the uranium is we will likely see a massive air campaign against Iran soon. It's already too late.

 

[Shafagh]

We don't have an education problem. Iranians are highly educated. We have some of the finest STEM graduates in the world. Every year hundreds of Iranians enter top 10 universities in the US, Canada and Europe. It has been so for 2 decades at least. We have world-class physicists and mathematicians that can compete with the best at the edge of science and technology

I know this. I meant educate those still loyal to the I.R. as in, educate them on it's mistakes, the reality of state of affairs, and what kind of ideas are on the table to fix them.

Your shortage isnt good scientists and engineers, it's good statesmen economists, and policy makers.

@Kyussis Do you know anyone better to take over? Any ideas on how to fix this?

 

[ShapurII]

I know this. I meant educate those still loyal to the I.R. as in, educate them on it's mistakes, the reality of state of affairs, and what kind of ideas are on the table to fix them.

Your shortage isnt good scientists and engineers, it's good statesmen economists, and policy makers.

@Kyussis Do you know anyone better to take over? Any ideas on how to fix this?

You're talking about educating brainwashed ideologues. They do not need education, they need a new way of thinking.

They have had plenty of time and opportunities to change their ideas, they didn't.

The IR is not an independent system based on meritocracy and Iranian culture and values that educated statesmen or economists could change anything for the benefit of the country. It's a system of corrupt, senile Ayatollahs and oligarchs that fill their pockets by promoting an ideology in the region that in no way serves Iran or the Iranians.

 

[Kyussis]

I know this. I meant educate those still loyal to the I.R. as in, educate them on it's mistakes, the reality of state of affairs, and what kind of ideas are on the table to fix them.

Your shortage isnt good scientists and engineers, it's good statesmen economists, and policy makers.

@Kyussis Do you know anyone better to take over? Any ideas on how to fix this?

I'm not the one advocating for regime change.

 

[ShapurII]

I'm not the one advocating for regime change.

What is your solution?
Pretend that everything is fine and remain happy with the status quo where we are humiliated, impoverished and sanctioned, and militarily attacked and killed in thousands?

 

[Shafagh]

I'm not the one advocating for regime change.

So you are satisfied with the status quo?

 

[ShapurII]

@Persian Gulf
Unlike you, I'm starting to believe that something even bigger than the 12-day battle is being cooked.

We have a real chance for GREATNESS IN THE MIDDLE EAST. ALL ARE ON BOARD FOR SOMETHING SPECIAL, FIRST TIME EVER. WE WILL GET IT DONE!!! President DJT

https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/115282009590636281

This is obviously about Iran. Greatness in the Middle East cannot have anything to do with a small place like Gaza for sure. They might even be preparing for a ground invasion of Iran, or at least the invasion of our islands in the Persian Gulf as a starting point.

 

[Bharatah]

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NOTE: I already said this here months ago: from the moment the E3 violated the JCPO, they cannot invoke "SNAPBACK." The US and Israel waited for the presidency of the UN Security Council to be in the hands of a puppet nation occupied by the US (South Korea) and thus pass the "amendment." However, it was obvious that military superpowers(rivals of west) would not respect it because it is a violation of international law. So Russia, China, North Korea, and (behind the scenes) Pakistan, even India, will do business and even sell military equipment to Iran. Other smaller nations (outside the system) will do the same, remembering that Iran has already had a Western embargo for years, so not much changes other than the fact that international law is being destroyed by the Zionist lobby.

NOTE2: Today's world is not the world of 1991, where an embargo against Iraq was followed by 100% of the world.

 

[Liquidator]

Iran is free.

Test some ICBMs and a nuke and be done with it.

 

[Arash]

IRGC is a military arm without much of a political brain of its own. They do have full influence over MODAFL and operational scale plans but state level decisions over nuclear program, foreign policy, socio-economic decision making is not in their hands. Soleimani could have turned IRGC into a fully state controlling entity but those who followed him, the likes of Salami or Ghaani were/are clowns at best.

I personally give them much much much more credit than any other institution in Iran.......