Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

BigMela2onin said:
I think you guys need to be more realistic. They are committing genocide, the worst crime possible, with broad international support. Why wouldn't they use nukes? Who will stop or punish them? It is US military policy to use nukes if they start losing by the way, and they will likely use them in the future China-US conflict. Having the jews break the taboo benefits them.

No obviously not, but some people on this forum have an issue with not accepting reality as it is and get mad at me for pointing it out it seems.
IR is pursuing slow death as a national policy, while reformists intentionally sabotage the economy more and more every day khamenei ensures continued international isolation with "enrichment but no nukes" policy and continues to block military development. IR goes out of its way to ensure every conflict ends as soon as possible and is extremely willing to take damage and suffer lives lost with none to minimal response if it means ending fighting. The west obviously sees this, Europe said Iran wouldn't leave NPT if snapback occurred and they were right. US killed General Soleimani and bombed the enrichment facilities with no casualties. They know they can push IR and avoid consequences by offering an off-ramp as soon as they achieve their goals. They will continue to do this, the jews can bomb for a week or two to mow the grass and then they will offer a ceasefire, IR will accept it every time. If you think i'm wrong, feel free to present a counter-analysis.
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Then we need regime change. Even if we end up getting a pro U.S. pro Israel stooge, it ensures the country's survival. With I.R., they will lead us to economic, ecological catastrophe followed by multi ethnic revolts all over the country.

I don't think the country will break apart, but we would be talking post gulf war Iraq conditions with our people living in complete destitution.

I.r. is turning out to be worse enemy of Iranians than actual enemy nations. They might even be US-Israeli plants.
 
Shafagh said:
Then we need regime change. Even if we end up getting a pro U.S. pro Israel stooge, it ensures the country's survival. With I.R., they will lead us to economic, ecological catastrophe followed by multi ethnic revolts all over the country.

I don't think the country will break apart, but we would be talking post gulf war Iraq conditions with our people living in complete destitution.

I.r. is turning out to be worse enemy of Iranians than actual enemy nations. They might even be US-Israeli plants.
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Unfortunately I think this is the goal of the jews at this point, they are quite open about it. Just as the previous Pahlavis lost Herat and Bahrain, they plan the install the big nose Pahlavi to give up Kurdish, Arab, and Azeri regions. I think Trump said something like "Make Iran Persia again," and this is a reflection of their goals to make Iran a rump Persian ethno-state more than anything else. I don't think there is any scenario in which Iran isn't further reduced at this point.
 
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BigMela2onin said:
Unfortunately I think this is the goal of the jews at this point, they are quite open about it. Just as the previous Pahlavis lost Herat and Bahrain, they plan the install the big nose Pahlavi to give up Kurdish, Arab, and Azeri regions. I think Trump said something like "Make Iran Persia again," and this is a reflection of their goals to make Iran a rump Persian ethno-state more than anything else. I don't think there is any scenario in which Iran isn't further reduced at this point.
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When did Trump say Make Iran Persian Again? He never said such a thing.
I remember he said Make Iran Great Again.
 
BigMela2onin said:
Why do you think it's nonsense?
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Do you realize the extent of the damage the Ukrainians inflicted on Russia? How many soldiers have lost their lives? What is the financial toll this operation has taken on Moscow? How much military equipment has been destroyed by the Ukrainians? The loss of lives and military resources is beyond comprehension.

Yet, do you see them using their atomic bombs against Ukrainians? Just one small nuclear explosion in a random Ukrainian city could completely alter the war's trajectory. Honestly, even a public nuclear test somewhere far away would be enough to intimidate everyone involved in this conflict. However, the Russians can't even think about using real nuclear weapons because the diplomatic and economic consequences would be a disaster that they wouldn't be able to cope with.

This argument that Iran has to avoid hitting Israel too hard because the Zionists would resort to nuclear weapons is absolutely fake in every way possible.

The Iranian leadership doesn't believe that either. They wanted to retaliate but weren't able to for reasons that we have discussed a thousand times in this topic.
 
Eşbah said:
Do you realize the extent of the damage the Ukrainians inflicted on Russia? How many soldiers have lost their lives? What is the financial toll this operation has taken on Moscow? How much military equipment has been destroyed by the Ukrainians? The loss of lives and military resources is beyond comprehension.

Yet, do you see them using their atomic bombs against Ukrainians? Just one small nuclear explosion in a random Ukrainian city could completely alter the war's trajectory. Honestly, even a public nuclear test somewhere far away would be enough to intimidate everyone involved in this conflict. However, the Russians can't even think about using real nuclear weapons because the diplomatic and economic consequences would be a disaster that they wouldn't be able to cope with.

This argument that Iran has to avoid hitting Israel too hard because the Zionists would resort to nuclear weapons is absolutely fake in every way possible.

The Iranian leadership doesn't believe that either. They wanted to retaliate but weren't able to for reasons that we have discussed a thousand times in this topic.
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I don't think the calculus of the jews and Russians are the same. Again, we should consider the jews are openly committing genocide and bragging about it. Their communications minister said it is proud of it and the world should know what the jews did and are capable of. Every time Ben Gvir opens its mouth, it spouts hate speech against humanity. The west is arresting and calling their own citizens terrorists for protesting, they have unlimited support. We should not underestimate their willingness to commit heinous crimes against humanity.
 
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Eşbah said:
This argument that Iran has to avoid hitting Israel too hard because the Zionists would resort to nuclear weapons is absolutely fake in every way possible.
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Apples and oranges.

Israel has the world behind them, at least the governments. Russia has the world against them, except for a handful of countries like Iran, North Korea, China, Nicaragua, etc.
Not even remotely the same situation.

Russia is going pretty easy on Ukraine for several reasons:
1. First and foremost, because it wants to rule over the territories it occupies. The moment it nukes Ukraine, it can say goodbye to the people of those occupied regions supporting them. After all, those people have families living in Ukraine. Israel doesn't have this problem with Iran.
2. Secondly, Russia has always been looking for validation from the Western world. Putin tried to approach and appease the West hundred times before he finally attacked Ukraine. The moment Russia uses nuclear weapons, it will be cut off from the entirety of Europe. Russians do consider themselves European because of being Slavic centric.
3. Thirdly, nuclear explosion in Ukraine would affect other nearby regions like Belarus, Russia and NATO countries like Poland, Romania, etc. Israel wouldn't have this problem either.

Russia has been extremely kind to the Ukrainians for those reasons. Israel killed 400-500 Iranians in the last day of war. Had Russia done that in Ukraine, the entire world would've written about it 24/7 for the next 12 months at least.
 
WSJ: China funnels billions to Iran through secret oil-for-projects system to bypass US sanctions

The Wall Street Journal has reported that China is secretly channeling billions of dollars to Iran through a covert oil-for-projects system that allows Tehran to bypass US sanctions. In what is being described as a barter-style arrangement, Iranian oil is shipped to China in exchange for infrastructure projects carried out by Chinese state-backed companies inside Iran.

According to the newspaper, the network – linking state-owned firms, a government insurer, and a financial intermediary called Chuxin – transferred roughly $8.4 billion to Iran last year.
 
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