Iran Plans to Buy Chinese J-10C Instead of Russian Su-35

[muhammed45]

Guys, China is businessman and positive towards Iran in that area of cooperation because of political geo political factors.

Oil imports has increased, that's how Chinese government helped. I think that's enough to expect from China.

Stop taking rumors seriously. I remember there was a report Iran is going to buy 400 J-10 from China. It was beyond ridiculous but people started talking about that non sense.

Cooperation with China in military sector is something that needs time and effort for creating mutual trust as we can see in this very thread. So my suggestion is, forget it for a foreseeable future and focus on economic news.

 

[FHN]

If China sells planes to Iran the most important ones won’t be fighters but airborne radars. The latter would be the real difference maker but also might be harder to acquire.

 

[tower9]

Iran needs to import the complete Chinese combat system including not limited to J-10C, J-35A, PL-15E, KJ-500, HQ-9, HQ-16, JY-27 and so on. And it also needs to send pilots to train in China until they are combat effective and then return home.

Would China sell them the J35? I don’t think so. Currently they are only willing to sell them to Pakistan and that’s because of the decades long relationship.

 

[ety]

Iran needs to import the complete Chinese combat system including not limited to J-10C, J-35A, PL-15E, KJ-500, HQ-9, HQ-16, JY-27 and so on. And it also needs to send pilots to train in China until they are combat effective and then return home.

They probably won't get the whole system from China and become too dependent. They want strategic independence something similar to India's thinking. Even if they want, china not necessary giving them all this weapon system, fair chance that it get ruined in the next war with Israel/US without proper training and competence of the military and gov first blocking and rooting out Israeli infiltrations on the secrets. That would be bad for Chinese military.

 

[FHN]

The Iran isn't lacking the firepower weapons, it is lacking in detection ,engaging system, electronic warfare and internal sabotage that are concerning.

 

[FHN]

Worth noting that Iran has been confirmed to use Beidou and GLONASS in its missile guidance systems
They are almost certainly receiving intel from Russia and China

 

[FHN]

People need to understand the iron rule of arms sales is political mutual trust, not economic benefits

 

[Abdul q]

An RC model was introduced at that time. Developing high tech engines suitable for 5th generation, avionics and support systems takes time to be honest.

There are 2 versions of it, manned and unmanned. The bigger unmanned one is unveiled but still under development. And the manned one has passed only taxi tests.

Iran successfully repelled the American Israeli attack using its indigenous technologies. Its an indication that indigenous technologies always helps you to have the edge and number simultaneously.

We didn't use Chinese weapons for that purpose but Iranian ones.

Pakistan is highly dependent on China in military sector. We cannot be like that. When Israel and USA be your enemies, you are not allowed to be dependent on foreign countries. In Syria, Libya and every where else we saw what happens to dependent states. China won't come to fight our war. Most importantly, why would they sacrifice billions of trade with Israel's big daddy?

For developing countries, dependence is a poison, esp when USA be your enemy.

Well how that played out

 

[FHN]

When I sell you the plane, it means that in times of crisis, I will mobilize satellites and other tools to provide support and will not allow your plane to be destroyed.
Even if I get beaten, I can give you more powerful weapons and I have the responsibility to continue supporting you.
I don't know when Iran will be qualified for this mutual trust.
You have to pay the chips.

Even their leaders were killed inexplicably one after another. Before profound changes, no matter what weapons they were given, they would be blown up.

 

[RealNapster]

We have to go for Chinese J-31 or the naval version J-35. If

I give it 8 months. Israel will attack Iran within 8 months. See if you can wait 3-4 years for J-31 (that too if China is even willing to sell It to Iran). I don't think china will be willing to sell J-31 to anyone except Pakistan.

 

[RealNapster]

So Iran doesn't just lack weapons, it lacks good pilots. Their pilots have been out of modern air warfare for too long.

Iran needs to ditch India and repair its relationship with Pakistan so that the two air forces can exchange and cooperate.

Pakistan can, if Iran asks, train Iranian pilots. Temporarily station Iranian J-10Cs in Pakistan till the time Iranian pilots are ready and they have accumulated around 30+ J-10Cs. This way they can ensure that the J-10cs (first batch of 8-10) is not destroyed by Israel upon arrival in Iran .

Iran can also have annual air force exercises, one with China, one with Pakistan, and one trilateral exercises involving Pakistan, China, and Iran (maybe even turkey). This way Iranian pilots will quickly learn battle planing and how to conduct real action.

 

[FHN]

Unlike Russia, China has the Ability to manufacture advanced fighter jets in mass numbers.China is the only major oil importer that dares to buy Iranian oil and do business with iran directly or indirectly.Personally, Selling J10 is a bit risky. If it is not matched with AWACS HQ-9B, and HQ-19 will not form a system. If it is matched with them, not to mention the funds, the Iranian government has been infiltrated like a sieve, and the data of the AWACS will immediately become shared by the US and Israel but u have to start from somewhere. Iran needs to take its own internal security seriously maybe work with chinese intelligence agency to root out mossad agents.

 

[gambit]

Only ballistic missiles cannot make you strong.

I hope every country in the world hire YOU as their defense consultant.

Missiles can do only one thing -- kill. Whether in offense or defense, that is all a missile can do.

But an air force is a different matter. An air force is flexible in all mission profiles, from deterrence to offense to defense. Missiles cannot defend airspace sovereignty, but an air force can. Missiles cannot present deterrence, but an air force can. Missiles cannot perform humanitarian missiles, but an air force can. The list of what an air force can do outweigh what missiles can do.

But...As a former USAF guy, I hope more countries take YOUR advice.

 

[Hack-Hook]

This, people don't understand the PAF is fully wired in with the Chinese Beidou network, space based intelligence and of course has a host of Chinese AWACS.
Just purchasing jets won't cut it and they will be vulnerable against the IAF.

Till the start of war beidou was used as a backup in Iran government and military equipment after the war gps turn off on those and beidou becom the main thing

 

[r3alist]

You need Trump's permission to supply even a single bullet to Iran.

Bossss, who says they even want to? You are avoiding the point that Iran exports its Revolution everywhere it can, it's whole configuration as a state right now seems to be designed to expire at some point, maybe when the missiles run out, that's why everyone mentions their lack of air force and navy, how long can that continue for?


You might already be at the point now where Iran just does not have the legacy and institutional memory to manage a conventional military


And why don't you ever mention Iran support to the USA, against Pakistan's interest when the USA were in Afghanistan, that caused quite a lot of headache on top of actually having the US presence problems and pressure

it's a nice place when the Invasion is always exported elsewhere huh