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[Hypersonic]

I understand your post but still don’t see the term ‘cost’ anywhere in it. Ie cost of protection vs cost of what’s being protected.

I briefly mentioned cost in the first paragraph but I see your important point. Of course the point of production is ensuring you produce enough to meet your needs currently and for the future threats. I recall an interview with Hajizadeh a few years back where he said Iranian air defences needed to be produced in larger quantities ( can’t remember his exact quote). Assuming that was still the case then these attacks will propel production. How much and how fast is not something we will be privy to and depends on Iran’s calculations and needs.

All this is assuming that Iran needs to increase production, of course I can be mistaken and Iran has abundance of systems like Khordad 3, Arman etc

 

[jauk]

I briefly mentioned cost in the first paragraph but I see your important point. Of course the point of production is ensuring you produce enough to meet your needs currently and for the future threats. I recall an interview with Hajizadeh a few years back where he said Iranian air defences needed to be produced in larger quantities ( can’t remember his exact quote). Assuming that was still the case then these attacks will propel production. How much and how fast is not something we will be privy to and depends on Iran’s calculations and needs.

All this is assuming that Iran needs to increase production, of course I can be mistaken and Iran has abundance of systems like Khordad 3, Arman etc

Possibly. Throw in advances in tech, upgrades, increased management complexity, etc. The equation is far more complex than just adding systems.

I always look at it like enterprise system security. Note how many company databases are hacked and data is stolen. Much more often than not the companies believe the cost of bearing the brunt of the hack (fines, lawsuits, customer trust, etc) is less than the cost of 'total' security. They simply don't do it on purpose. Far too costly.

 

[Persian Gulf]

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Confirmation that at least one OTH radar site was successfully targeted by Israel. Damage seems rather extensive with one building completely destroyed and another mostly destroyed. This level of explosion rules out a quadcopter/drone and likely points to 1-2 small cruise missiles given the absence of an impact crater (ALBM).

Also decent chance that of the 4 air defense operators that died in the Israeli “response” attack, that there was likely a couple if not all of them at this site during the night of the attack.

Given this was near the border it was likely able to targeted using air launched CMs by either Israel’s infamous “stealth” drone or an F-35 from stand-off distance.

In the future an automated AD system such as an Iranian version of CRAM could do wonders for protecting against air launched projectiles. Even Majid or Dey system could be great solutions.

they destroyed the buildings in the middle not the radar itself

and OTH radars on the border will naturally be peacetime assets

 

[jauk]

they destroyed the buildings in the middle not the radar itself

and OTH radars on the border will naturally be peacetime assets

Still impacted function though.

What do you mean peace time?

 

[LongLiveIran]

they destroyed the buildings in the middle not the radar itself

and OTH radars on the border will naturally be peacetime assets

Iran is vulnerable to cruise missile attacks without OTH radars.
Our air force can't play an active role in interception of cruise missiles. And we don't have AWACS either. We are vulnerable without our OTH radars.

 

[Persian Gulf]

Still impacted function though.

What do you mean peace time?

these are large static assets that are not easy to defend and will be the first assets to be lost during war

this radar was not functional yet anyway

 

[Persian Gulf]

Iran is vulnerable to cruise missile attacks without OTH radars.
Our air force can't play an active role in interception of cruise missiles. And we don't have AWACS either. We are vulnerable without our OTH radars.

we have mobile OTH radars too like Keyhan

 

[LongLiveIran]

we have mobile OTH radars too like Keyhan

But Kayhan is 2-dimensional. Do we have three-dimensional mobile OTH radars?

I couldn't find much about Sepehr on Google. I remember Iran had an OTH radar called Sepehr as well.

 

[Immortals]

they destroyed the buildings in the middle not the radar itself

and OTH radars on the border will naturally be peacetime assets

Buildings in the middle are what control and power the radar. The actual antenna is not that hard to repair.

I’m curious to see the defense layout. If there are any SHOHRAD systems like Majid or Tor-M1 in the vicinity.

 

[muhammed45]

One of most important features of Ghadir OTH radar is that even if one part is attacked or damaged, other parts can still Function and do their job, however, eventually reducing its range.

They had attacked the command center of radar base as it seems. Where the crew were doing their job.

This must be a lesson for our commanders and decision makers. They have to defend radar stations, these assets are eyes and ears of our armed forces. Without radars we will be blinded.

Solution is well defending OTH bases with SHORAD and mid range ADS and also making data link between all radar elements and radar bases to have the attacked base operational in case the commanding center is attacked. Maybe they have done that already but i i doubt it.

 

[muhammed45]

Or an other idea could be building underground command center. To avoid more costs.

Ghadir OTH radar.

 

[Immortals]

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Another S-300 site is fine after initially thought to have been hit. At this point it appears maybe only 1 S-300 site was hit. Possibly none.

Most of the damage seems to have been to Shahrud, Parchin, and the two OTH radars.

Of course there could be sites that were hit that Israel/US/Iran are NOT talking about and that OSINT has failed to get imaging on. But for now this is what we know of.

 

[KonTim]

What about that system? "Sayyad-?" variant?

Iran Enhances Medium-Range Air Defense with New Locally-Made AD-40 Missile System

Iran Enhances Medium-Range Air Defense with New Locally-Made AD-40 Missile System

armyrecognition.com

 

[Flotilla]

What about that system? "Sayyad-?" variant?

Iran Enhances Medium-Range Air Defense with New Locally-Made AD-40 Missile System

Iran Enhances Medium-Range Air Defense with New Locally-Made AD-40 Missile System

armyrecognition.com

That´s weird.

This nomenclature (AD-XX) it is given to exportation products.
In reality this SAM system it is a very well known system in this forum

Kamin-2 an improved system of Mersad-16 if I am not wrong

Kamin-2 - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[KonTim]

That´s weird.

This nomenclature (AD-XX) it is given to exportation products.
In reality this SAM system it is a very well known system in this forum

Kamin-2 an improved system of Mersad-16 if I am not wrong

Kamin-2 - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

If i can recall correctly, the number "40" in code name "AD-40" indicates the operational range of the missile. It's that the range of Kamin-2?