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[jauk]

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[FUB]

You are missing the forest for the trees. It’s not about “destructive” impact, but the escalation ladder of weapon systems provided.

Iran supply artillery shells is not going to draw the same geopolitical outrage or impact as Iran supply tactical ballistic missiles (a strategic weapon). Facts are that Iranian TBMs are of much higher quality and advancement compared to their NK counterparts which have been found to be containing tons of western components. Thus Russia turning to NK for such missiles means it failed to secure them from the Iranian side despite what western propaganda claims.

U.S. supplying howitzers didn’t have the same geopolitical impact as them supplying F-16 or long range missiles. With your logic the howitzer is the critical weapon since it’s contributed the most destructive impact.

While Shaheed’s have kept Ukraine AD busy, it’s FPV drones and lancets that have proved the most game changing for the Russians with FPV drones changing warfare for both sides and likely conflicts for years to come. Just look at how many lancets have destroyed high end Ukraine equipment from S-300’s to Abrams to Radar installations. Add in the Russian FAB to glide bomb program and now Russian fighter jets can pummel Ukrainian front line and rear guards with precision stand off capability. That was a major turn in the war as well.

Either way need to realize the difference there and not look at everything from a pure destructive standpoint or else the most destructive weapons are the same staples for the last 50 years of warfare: Aerial Bombs, Artillery, and short range rockets.

Lastly despite Iranian Shahed drone transfer there is still not a major leap in Russian-Iranian military relations. Compare that to North Korea that owes much of its recent advancements in ICBM, IRBM, and TBM to Russian ToT and technology sharing. Even now in the field of drones, Russian TOT is making its way into NK drone programs.

Meanwhile Iran is still trying to secure SU-35 and the rest of the YAK-130’s. A military quest for the past decade if not longer.

The Lancet drones carry a 1 to 3-kilo warhead and are designed for a different purpose. The Shaheds have 80-100 kilo warhead heads designed to cause damage to large infrastructure. If they are so irrelevant, as you suggest, the Russians would not have fired thousands of them and are still firing hundreds a week. Here, John Mearsheimer explains that 50 ATACAMS mean nothing on the battlefield, but you seem to think the NK missiles are game changers in the war and that, somehow, Iranian planners fell asleep. You think that once the Orange man comes in, Putin is going to brush aside the fact that NATO tried to break up the Russian Federation by killing and wounding hundreds of thousands of Russians over the last three years, and everything will go back to normal. You missed the forest for the trees.

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[Immortals]

The Lancet drones carry a 1 to 3-kilo warhead and are designed for a different purpose. The Shaheds have 80-100 kilo warhead heads designed to cause damage to large infrastructure. If they are so irrelevant, as you suggest, the Russians would not have fired thousands of them and are still firing hundreds a week.

S-136 has a ~50KG warhead in standard configuration. A 90kg variant was rumored to enter production this year, but unknown how many are actively being used.

I’m well aware the differences of the two. Lancet is a frontline drone credited with hundreds of high end equipment kills. S-136 is a long range drone used for fixed structure attacks and locating high end radar systems the IADS.

S-136 and its decoys are made to overwhelm AD defenses so Iskander and Russian CMs can break thru. No where did I say they were irrelevant, but I was merely using your destructive = most useful logic.

Here, John Mearsheimer explains that 50 ATACAMS mean nothing on the battlefield, but you seem to think the NK missiles are game changers in the war and that, somehow, Iranian planners fell asleep.

Again you are putting words in my mouth and lack reading comprehension skills. You continue to rely on “destructive impact” as your barometer when we are talking about geopolitical consequences.

ATACAMs was a more geopolitical sensitive issue than Howitzer or Abrams. Constantly Ballistic Missiles are more a geopolitical issue than Drones. If you cannot understand this then I do not know what to tell you. You seem to be unable to separate battlefield impact from geopolitical impact.

No where did I say that NK missiles are more battlefield important in a war where Russia fires hundreds of BMs, CMs, and hundreds of thousands of artillery shells and rockets A MONTH. So of course 50 BMs are a drop in the bucket.

The conversation is around why Iran didn’t supply any BMs to Russia. And that is a geological issue not a battlefield one.

You think that once the Orange man comes in, Putin is going to brush aside the fact that NATO tried to break up the Russian Federation by killing and wounding hundreds of thousands of Russians over the last three years, and everything will go back to normal.

Putin’s aims for a truce have been widely known which mainly rely on the notion that Ukraine must never join NATO and the Russian speaking territories of Ukraine should return back to Russia after the referendum results. The amount of troops Russia has committed to this conflict also points to this, this is not a force that is made to take all of Ukraine.

Putin also has zero desire for a ‘forever war’ nor does he have desire for a war with NATO unless forced into (much like he was forced to act on Ukraine). So this thinking that Putin is going to reject all notions of a truce because of significant number of Russian troops were killed during this is not rooted in reality.

Russia has been quite clear what it wants from this war, it is NATO (mostly EU political establishment) that refuses to give up its security designs on Ukraine.

 

[sahureka2]

"According to the latest news I have received, six Sukhoi-35 Super Flanker fighter jets have been assembled domestically by Russian advisors and will soon make their first flight with Russian pilots and be delivered to the Third Fighter Base."

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[tsunset]

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Why not park them in the Oghab base?

 

[jauk]

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Why not park them in the Oghab base?

This old news. Let’s see.

 

[Mehdipersian]

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Why not park them in the Oghab base?

Hamedan air base was built to monitor the west of Iran, but 6 fighters are too few against the threats

 

[tsunset]

Hamedan air base was built to monitor the west of Iran, but 6 fighters are too few against the threats

Israel will probably try to damage or destroy one of them using unconventional methods (drones, bomb inside the shelter) to humiliate Iran

 

[jauk]

Painfully obvious:

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[That_Guy]

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This guy is an absolute buffoon.

Don't take Musk seriously.

 

[That_Guy]

Hamedan air base was built to monitor the west of Iran, but 6 fighters are too few against the threats

It might be an initial order. Considering the poor state of the Iranian airforce, Iran probably wants to induct them as quickly as possible. In which case, smaller batches make sense, as they can be rolled out far more quickly than larger 12 to 24 batchs.

There's also the build capacity. Iran may still be building a larger capacity, so they decided to build what they can with what they have, while waiting for further capacity increase.

Honestly, it's a pretty exciting development for Iran, if true, as it's a huge quantum leap for Iran. It makes Iran's air force and actual threat.

(On a side note, it also gives Pakistan an increased urgency to get a 5th gen, because PAF does not want any of its neighbors to have the ability to out-gun it).

 

[jauk]

This guy is an absolute buffoon.

Don't take Musk seriously.

Below is a sampling of the species changing companies Elon Musk has founded and running. Given this 'buffoon's' accomplishments, where do you believe you fall in the spectrum of zero to buffoon?

 

[That_Guy]

Below is a sampling of the species changing companies Elon Musk has founded and running. Given this 'buffoon's' accomplishments, where do you believe you fall in the spectrum of zero to buffoon?

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He bought a majority of those companies, and rebranded them. They were already successful without him.

The man is a buffoon with too much money. He gambled on the stockmarket and won. That's about it. None of those companies are "species changing". If i had that kind of money, i could do the same thing, and indeed a lot of multimillionaire and billionaires do. Keep in mind, he came from a very wealthy family of multimillionaire, he didn't struggle for shit.

Look at what he's doing to twitter. It's going down the shitter. Tesla is on the verge of a crisis due to poor decisions he made. Starling is under US and EU scrutiny. X is likely going to face penalties soon due to its shit moderation. HyperLoop and Boring Company are both failed concepts and have accomplished next to nothing.

Musk didn't found OpenAi, by the way, it's an independent organization. In fact he's now suing OpenAi on false charges, which most analysts are saying will likely go nowhere and fail.

PayPal had another founders as well, and a majority of its success has to do with them, not him. He likes to claim that he quit PayPal, when the reality is that they hated him so much that he was practically forced out (fun fact, did you know he wanted rename PayPal to X?).

 

[UKBengali]

Look at what he's doing to twitter. It's going down the shitter.

Twitter was never about being successful in its own right but helping him achieve his aims as per Tesla and Space X.

With Twitter he has been able to get into Trump's good books as he used it as a massive propaganda tool for Trump/MAGA, and now will be rewarded with boost for both Tesla and Space X.

Now that Musk will soon have an indebted US President in place, he simply has little use for Twitter anymore and simply won't care too much if it collapses.