Iranian Air Force (IRIAF/IRGC-ASF) | News and Discussions

[Yommie]

R-37M is not the latest. R-77M is far more capable.

 

[dani191]

R-37M is not the latest. R-77M is far more capable.

yes 193 km range

 

[Flotilla]

Therefore, you need to first purchase J-10CE fighter jets to meet basic operational requirements. Then, gradually upgrade your air combat system. Only after your air combat system meets the basic requirements should you consider purchasing J-35 fighter jets. The same requirements apply to the Su-57 and F-35.

Completely agree.
For operating something so advanced like a Su75 (seems that Russia is assemblying first prototypes) Iran needs to operate modern russian avionics, communications and sensors, develop training, tactics and logistics during years. It would not have sense to buy a hypothetical Su75 without operating first 4 and 4.5 gen russian fighters.
Unfortunately I think China cannot provide J10CE or any desirable J35 to Irán.

 

[Michael]

They have a home grown IADS system(we have all seen their homegrown radars, SAM systems and C&C centers, and the lack of operational secrecy detail does not mean it is not advanced. The issue with Iran, right now is its ancient fighter fleet.

Does Iran possess an advanced command system? We don't know. It certainly cannot support the J-35 fighter jet.

Public information shows that Iran has a JY-10 air defense command system imported from China (excluding air defense radar and missiles, it is only the command system). This system is a low-cost export version of the air defense command system launched by CETC. Most of its components use general commercial specifications rather than strict military specifications.

I fundamentally disagree with this statement, it is basically wrong imho. A stealth fighter, in a non-integrated environment will still be more effective than a non-stealth fighter in that same environment. While both can use its onboard passive sensors to track targets e.g. radio emissions, the stealth platform will find it easier to creep up on a target like an aerial refueling tanker, or AEW&C and take it down before being detected. Additionally, fighter pilots in stealth fighters can accept voice commands on target location over encrypted channels and then turn on their own sensors "at the last moments" for final target solution. That setup is better than what a J10CE can do, and will offer more success.

Please note that my viewpoint refers to the overall effectiveness of fighter jets, not fighter-versus-fighter aerial combat.

1. The so-called 4.5th-Gen fighter jet is essentially a technology transfer from the 5th-Gen fighter jet. Within the same national system, many core components and technologies are common. The J-20 initially used the WS-10 engine; if needed, the J-10C could also be equipped with the WS-15 engine to further enhance performance.

2. Fighter jets have many other uses besides air combat. While stealth fighters can adopt a "beast mode" to carry more weapons and ammunition, they lose their valuable stealth capabilities. A 5th-Gen fighter jet without stealth is not significantly different from a 4.5th-Gen fighter jet.

3. The purchase and maintenance costs of 5th-Gen fighter jets are very high. This involves cost-effectiveness. This is the fundamental reason why countries use a combination of 4.5th-Gen and 5th-Gen fighter jets.

4. Stealth and non-stealth are relative, not absolute. Stealth fighters are more effective against weaker adversaries, but their effectiveness is very low against truly powerful adversaries (those with comprehensive modern air defense systems), especially during the offensive phase. Non-stealth fighters, with their lower cost and larger payload capacity, are more effective in these situations.

If Iran deploys J-10CE fighters, anti-stealth radar systems, and air defense missiles, it can achieve a very good homeland air defense effect at a relatively low cost.

Unfortunately I think China cannot provide J10CE or any desirable J35 to Irán.

Regarding this issue, there are no political or national technological security obstacles in China. That is, theoretically, they can be sold to Iran. Of course, we also do not have production or delivery cycle issues.

The remaining issues are international diplomatic matters and the details of negotiations between China and Iran regarding the deal. Of course, this also includes the question of whether Iran is willing to buy Chinese fighter jets.

 

[Arash]

It is a well-known fact that the Rouhani government wanted to buy Rafale fighter jets, but the West refused to sell them. And because Rouhani government didn’t want to anger the E3 countries, they also decided not to buy the Chinese J-10.

چه کسی جنگنده نخرید ؟ - ویرگول

دولت روحانی را متهم به جلوگیری از خرید جنگنده جی ۱۰ کرده اند. این حرف اشتباه است. روحانی مقصر نخریدن جنگنده نیست. روحانی میخواست از فرانسه…

virgool.io

These are EU sources or other aligned writers. The writer works for Sanjak which is an Azergayjani journal...

 

[Khorasan Black Flags]

These are EU sources or other aligned writers. The writer works for Sanjak which is an Azergayjani journal...

There are numerous sources about treason of rohani

چگونه روحانی و نوبخت قدرت هوایی ایران را قربانی لبخند غرب کردند؟ + توضیحات دفتر دکتر نوبخت

در سال 2016، ایران فرصت دریافت 30 جنگنده مدرن از چین را داشت، اما دولت روحانی این قرارداد را لغو و به‌ جای آن، جنگنده‌های فرسوده میراژ از فرانسه را انتخاب کرد.

www.tabnak.ir

آپارات - سرویس اشتراک ویدیو

www.aparat.com

 

[Vapnope]

Iran would need another 8 to 10 years to effectively build her airforce in terms of numbers, integration, infrastructure and training. The article talks about A2A munitions but more than that Iran would need ALBM and ALCM because Israel would come to Iran to fight an air to air battle.
Do we know what is the plan for Iran in terms of numbers for SU35 beyond the current order?

 

[ToddE]

SU-35S in desert IRIAF camo will look good.

 

[Arash]

There are numerous sources about treason of rohani

چگونه روحانی و نوبخت قدرت هوایی ایران را قربانی لبخند غرب کردند؟ + توضیحات دفتر دکتر نوبخت

در سال 2016، ایران فرصت دریافت 30 جنگنده مدرن از چین را داشت، اما دولت روحانی این قرارداد را لغو و به‌ جای آن، جنگنده‌های فرسوده میراژ از فرانسه را انتخاب کرد.

www.tabnak.ir

آپارات - سرویس اشتراک ویدیو

www.aparat.com

Rohani was a scum, but a scum labelled as a great leader by many Iranians... Know I hope their eyes are more open !

 

[ToddE]

If Rouhani was blocking jet purchases then what did Raisi achieve after that? Right under his nose Kowsar project died even though he visited facilities. Did not the ayatollah notice a dysfunctional assembly line where engineers were pretending to be "working" on airframes? Why did not he asked for audits when only 5 airframes came out in 8 years ? why did not heads roll after production failure?

Also what did big mouth Traitornejad achieve before all of this under whom all cash grab projects were unveiled from Azarakhsh, Saegheh to Qaher Stunt. Right under his nose, Hasan Parvane of IAIO PSed an image of 50% rebuilt F-5E Azaraksh with mid fueselage wing and gave it to media to present it as "new fighter", Ahmadinejad administration promoted that guy instead and he later ended up pulling the Qaher stunt in front of Dehghan. When these frauds were playing around with national security in sky, IRGCAF was building hypersonic Fattah and Khyebar Shikan, clustered warhead PBV K-4, AShBMs etc. IRIAD was building datalinked OTHs, AESA trackers, TVCed HIMADS.

These doctored stories to spin the narrative around would not bring 1000 Iranians back who got crushed under the rubble just because IRIAF does not exist anymore to challenge enemy over Iraq. Rouhani, Raisi, Pezeshkian, Khamenei are just names, they all failed Iranians.

 

[Just Another Indian]

Iran has gone with missiles and drones. Hypersonics and more longer range loitering munitions are key to Iran. As it is, the pesa su35s will be slaughtered by the Israeli air force.

 

[muhammed45]

Public information shows that Iran has a JY-10 air defense command system imported from China (excluding air defense radar and missiles, it is only the command system). This system is a low-cost export version of the air defense command system launched by CETC. Most of its components use general commercial specifications rather than strict military specifications.

Where did you get this part from? I have never seen among Iranian sources that Iran has imported JY-10 command center.

There have been imports from China in the past, it stopped a long time ago.

 

[muhammed45]

This Indian guy has understood Iranian doctrine but Iranians are still talking about J-10.

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Nov 10, 2025

Iran has gone with missiles and drones. Hypersonics and more longer range loitering munitions are key to Iran. As it is, the pesa su35s will be slaughtered by the Israeli air force.

• Just Another Indian

 

[Michael]

Where did you get this part from? I have never seen among Iranian sources that Iran has imported JY-10 command center.

There have been imports from China in the past, it stopped a long time ago.

Neither Chinese nor Iranian official agencies reported the incident.

Initially, a report in Jane's Defence Weekly interviewed Brigadier General Fazad Esmari of the Iranian Air Defense Forces (automatic translation may be inaccurate). He mentioned that Iran's new Negah air defense command system is based on the Chinese JY-10 command and control system.

The Chinese did not entirely believe Jane's Defence Weekly's reports on military information.

Later, Iranian officials released some photos of the Negah system.

Chinese military enthusiasts compared these photos with CETC product manuals, confirming the news was true.

The JY-10 air defense command system has two main characteristics: low cost and extremely broad compatibility.

It is fully compatible with Russian, Chinese, and NATO standard weapons, as well as Iranian-developed air defense missiles and radar systems. It can effectively integrate various completely different air defense units into a larger system.

Because it widely uses commercial-grade components rather than military-grade components, its price is lower. Of course, there are significant differences in environmental adaptability between commercial and military-grade products.

 

[muhammed45]

Neither Chinese nor Iranian official agencies reported the incident.

Initially, a report in Jane's Defence Weekly interviewed Brigadier General Fazad Esmari of the Iranian Air Defense Forces (automatic translation may be inaccurate). He mentioned that Iran's new Negah air defense command system is based on the Chinese JY-10 command and control system.

The Chinese did not entirely believe Jane's Defence Weekly's reports on military information.

Later, Iranian officials released some photos of the Negah system.

Chinese military enthusiasts compared these photos with CETC product manuals, confirming the news was true.

The JY-10 air defense command system has two main characteristics: low cost and extremely broad compatibility.

It is fully compatible with Russian, Chinese, and NATO standard weapons, as well as Iranian-developed air defense missiles and radar systems. It can effectively integrate various completely different air defense units into a larger system.

Because it widely uses commercial-grade components rather than military-grade components, its price is lower. Of course, there are significant differences in environmental adaptability between commercial and military-grade products.

'The four new systems were unveiled at a ceremony to mark anniversary of establishment of Khatam al-Anbia Air Defense Base.

Negah air reconnaissance and object identification system, which marks the first of its type in West Asia, has been manufactured by capable scientists of the Iranian Base. The system, whose technology is available to only few countries in the world, is able to quickly obtain the most accurate information from passing flights and enhance quick identification of each flight’s route. It adds Iran to the list of few countries able to manufacture similar systems.

Negah is an essential system for controlling air traffic. Its production by Khatam al-Anbia Air Defense Base will alleviate the need to import advanced air traffic control systems used by Iran Civil Aviation Organization.'

Brig. Gen. Esmaili unveils new air navigation systems

TEHRAN, Aug. 28 (MNA) – Four new air navigation systems dubbed ‘Negah’, ‘Sami’, ‘Sama’ and 'Basir' were inaugurated Monday morning at presence of Khatam al-Anbia Air Defense Base commander.

en.mehrnews.com

No where its mentioned its based upon Chinese system. Iran mostly imports electrical components such as chips from Taiwan. Also from China and other sources. It might use Chinese components in its subsystems, does not mean its based upon a Chinese product. Even if it was, i still see no problem to use it in a civilian sector.