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[Ali_Baba]

We certainly won't strictly enforce the arms embargo against Iran. Items like rocket fuel and critical instruments can be explained as civilian equipment, but there's no way to explain or hide the export of fighter jets like the J-10C and J-35.

How about HQ-9 and other SAM systems that China has supplied. How do they get explained?

 

[Flotilla]

We certainly won't strictly enforce the arms embargo against Iran. Items like rocket fuel and critical instruments can be explained as civilian equipment, but there's no way to explain or hide the export of fighter jets like the J-10C and J-35.

That would be the reason why China only give raw materials to enhance Iranian defense capability, and I am suspicious Admiral Sayyari says this publicly to excuse China for not delivering high end weapons defense.

How about HQ-9 and other SAM systems that China has supplied. How do they get explained?

All iranian media says IRI armed forces have not received such advanced systems, and if they did Sayyari is probably trying to hide it, to avoid other chinese partners in the Middle East (Qatar, Saudi Arabia and EAU) pressure China.

 

[Mr Iran Eye]

Qaher-313 turned into toy RC project which continues to embarrass Iran

for how many years will you persist with these stories

You're talking absolute nonsense, and as has been said elsewhere besides this forum, you're a nuisance here, driving people away. I still come here occasionally, but I much prefer my Telegram group now, where there are actually Iranians, and the people who talk about aviation are far superior to those here. The Qaher 313 project is active, and it's this project that's producing more science, more progress.

I thought it was the Kowsar that was driving progress, but according to the people in the group, the best scientists are on the Qaher-313 project, and all the other programs benefit from it. Someone in the group said that the Qaher 313 is the Bavar 373 of fighter aviation; they're putting the best minds there for research and development.

Prove me wrong with real facts. Do you have any underground sources, in the factories, in the research centers, to prove otherwise? I'm sorry for you, but the general was right about the 5th generation advances; it's pure logic.

 

[Persian Gulf]

where there are actually Iranians

both of your flags are Canadian, and you are talking about Iranians.

you have been posting nonsense theories for many years, and so far none of them have come true. the onus is on you to provide proof of your claims, not just refer to your magical telegram group with secret information.

 

[ToddE]

To countering OWA UAVs seems to be more than useful.

But Yak130 has no IRST and no radar. That would suggest that;

or Iran got a customized version of Yak130 or it has any kind of real time data sharing (aka data link) for such missions.

It is more than probably that other units intervened in such missions. In Biryand AB you can see three Kowsar/Saeghe/F5 with short range IR missiles.

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I don´t want to defend mullahs and other high rank officials... But as you appointed very well, the first expense it is indirectly proportional to the second one (modern IRIAF). IMO IRI didn´t invest in a real and modern air force... because most of the money... went to IRGCF missile force. And that decision was correct. Not enough to protect iranian air space but correct. I am suspicious that is why IRI central bank have sold a lot of gold because the purchase of Su35 and other assets (S400?). But that is just a guessing.

Some IRGC affiliated defence journalist accounts on IRI that defence budget has indeed been increased which points to SU-35S, MIG-29 upgrade, more YAK-130s ... But they are also saying that its not 32-35 Billion USD as Khamenei asked for (10 Billion USD current x 3). My guess is that current Iranian defence budget could be around 20-22 Billion USD. Again, major chunk will go to IRGCASF which is a good thing. Let them destroy whoever lays an eye on Iran.

It's interesting to me that the F5 derivatives were not equipped with an IRTS system. I don't think Iranian industry could manufacture one, and it wouldn't take up much space or cost much. It could also be equipped as a container, like the F4 has something like that.

Iranian local IRST is called TR-1/TR-2 I think. They are produced locally and are used in Khordad TELARS. When Kowsar was first unveiled I did a piece on why HESA should have procured the airborne version from same company.

Nasirzadeh said Iran successfully tested a missile with 2000kg warhead and 2000km range the day before the war with Israel started

we didn't hear more about it (or the Qasem Basir, which we learned is not yet in production, despite them showing video footage of it in advance)

Nasirzadeh is earlier version of Hamid Vahidi. I wonder why IRIAF chiefs and IAIO people are such big frauds. No other branch does the narrative propoganda as these guys do.

No, I've read some memoirs written by employees of state-owned enterprises involved in arms export. Around 2000, China hoped to cooperate with Iran to upgrade the radar of its F-4 fighter jets, using the J-8F's Type 1492 radar. However, China wanted to visit the AWG9 radar of the F-14 fighter jet.The Iranians told us that this radar was too advanced for us.Our visit request was rejected.,This is ridiculous. How could a radar that the US deployed in the 1970s be considered advanced by China?

This story of F-14 does not add up. F-4 upgradation to "Dowran" standard was completed with Chinese TOTed AShCM inside Iran (C-802/803/704 produced/upgraded inside Iran). The radar was choosen to be local SAIRAN Bayyenat-I (APQ-120 based) over Chinese offered 1492 because Pilots insisted US origin. It was not like some conflict started between two countries. Also, at the same time Chinese CATIC was running Silk Route II project inside Iran with HESA to build Azarakhsh-II light fighter from F-5E parts. They previously built Azarakhsh-I in 1997 in collaboration as well, all with J-7N/E avionics. Later Local Iranian Kowsar fighter also showed chinese components esp the radar which may have been a NRIET copy of Italy Grifo-346. Dozens of Iranian Locally produced VHF/UHF/PESA/AESA track radars bear striking resemblance to Chinese marketed ones, hinting towards deep collaboration. I am not sure why would Iran or China have issues with AWG-9 radar.

Iran's domestically produced weapons fully meet its needs, and its weapon systems are becoming increasingly diversified. We have stated many times that we and other countries in the region can guarantee regional security without the need for intervention from thousands of miles away.

This is a direct quote from a CCTV interview with this Iranian general. I think Iran is essentially a worshipper of American weapons, which is related to Iranian social ideology. They consider themselves part of the white Aryan race and have a kind of superstitious worship of Western weapons.
have no interest in weapons manufactured by people of East Asian descent.

Iranian armed forces use Russian tanks, SAMS, Fighter jets, Chinese TOTed AShCMs, fighter jets, TOTed Airdefence products.

We certainly won't strictly enforce the arms embargo against Iran. Items like rocket fuel and critical instruments can be explained as civilian equipment, but there's no way to explain or hide the export of fighter jets like the J-10C and J-35.

Missile fuel is not civilian equipment. IRIAF chose SU-35S, there is no point in discussing J-10C.

 

[LX1111]

Some IRGC affiliated defence journalist accounts on IRI that defence budget has indeed been increased which points to SU-35S, MIG-29 upgrade, more YAK-130s ... But they are also saying that its not 32-35 Billion USD as Khamenei asked for (10 Billion USD current x 3). My guess is that current Iranian defence budget could be around 20-22 Billion USD. Again, major chunk will go to IRGCASF which is a good thing. Let them destroy whoever lays an eye on Iran.



Iranian local IRST is called TR-1/TR-2 I think. They are produced locally and are used in Khordad TELARS. When Kowsar was first unveiled I did a piece on why HESA should have procured the airborne version from same company.



Nasirzadeh is earlier version of Hamid Vahidi. I wonder why IRIAF chiefs and IAIO people are such big frauds. No other branch does the narrative propoganda as these guys do.



This story of F-14 does not add up. F-4 upgradation to "Dowran" standard was completed with Chinese TOTed AShCM inside Iran (C-802/803/704 produced/upgraded inside Iran). The radar was choosen to be local SAIRAN Bayyenat-I (APQ-120 based) over Chinese offered 1492 because Pilots insisted US origin. It was not like some conflict started between two countries. Also, at the same time Chinese CATIC was running Silk Route II project inside Iran with HESA to build Azarakhsh-II light fighter from F-5E parts. They previously built Azarakhsh-I in 1997 in collaboration as well, all with J-7N/E avionics. Later Local Iranian Kowsar fighter also showed chinese components esp the radar which may have been a NRIET copy of Italy Grifo-346. Dozens of Iranian Locally produced VHF/UHF/PESA/AESA track radars bear striking resemblance to Chinese marketed ones, hinting towards deep collaboration. I am not sure why would Iran or China have issues with AWG-9 radar.



Iranian armed forces use Russian tanks, SAMS, Fighter jets, Chinese TOTed AShCMs, fighter jets, TOTed Airdefence products.



Missile fuel is not civilian equipment. IRIAF chose SU-35S, there is no point in discussing J-10C.

The F-4 fighter jet radar upgrade plan was ultimately cancelled due to project delays and postponements, which China attributed to Iran's desire to integrate a large number of domestically produced weapons.
If this deal goes through, Iran will have had effective BVR capabilities as early as 2005.

 

[LX1111]

Iranian armed forces use Russian tanks, SAMS, Fighter jets, Chinese TOTed AShCMs, fighter jets, TOTed Airdefence products.

Iran has copied China's C802 missile and its 305B/JL-1 radar. Aside from that, I can't think of any other direct connection between China's military industry and Iran's.

 

[Cancerous Tumor]

most people view Chinese products as cheap knock offs of superior Western products, not just Third World countries (by the way, your GDP per capita is still not so great for you to be calling others Third World countries). but this is no longer correct, most Iranians understand that Chinese military products are now superior to Russian products in most cases.

In comparison of Russia vs China in military equipment in recent years :

Russia started it's mission in Ukraine front then NATO countered it in the realm of military with it's own equipment up to F 16 and now we are hearing about France latest jets.

When U.S (under Trump) made it's move to put pressure on China we saw Covid-19.

I would say up to 2025 Russia was ahead of China in terms of military power based on their different approaches toward NATO.

 

[ToddE]

The F-4 fighter jet radar upgrade plan was ultimately cancelled due to project delays and postponements, which China attributed to Iran's desire to integrate a large number of domestically produced weapons.
If this deal goes through, Iran will have had effective BVR capabilities as early as 2005.

Whatever upgradation was pulled on F-4E/D integrated nothing but Chinese origin AShCM produced in Iran.

Also Chinese left Iran due to US pressure. Irans IAIO and Chinese CATIC were jointly developing a light fighter "Azaraksh-II" inside Iran that later was awarded to IAIO alone due to Chinese departure from the program. That happened in 2007 so it makes perfect sense that F-4E/D upgradation program was also a victim of Chinese departure from the program.

https://www.key.aero/article/keeping-iranian-air-force-f-5ef-tiger-ii-fleet-service

Iran has copied China's C802 missile and its 305B/JL-1 radar. Aside from that, I can't think of any other direct connection between China's military industry and Iran's.
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List is much longer.

https://www.keymilitary.com/article/threat-analysis-iranian-air-defence-systems

And btw C-802/803/704 were TOTed for local production, not copied. Iranian copy was called Noor, that later got locally modified to longer ranged Ghader AShCM.

 

[ToddE]

Saegheh-I/II program was abandoned due to budget cuts but the plane was highly maneuverable, much more than F-5E/F. One good thing about IRIAF has been that despite leaderships animosity towards this force, they never compromised on pilot training and strategic thinking. Remember the decoy tricks they played on Israel, wasting enemy's milions of USD on wood.

I have always been in favor of developing 70-80 of Saegheh/Kowsar as ATs or CAS/Light CAP fighters. With Light BVR + IRST-HMD slaved WVR, these can take on drones, ALCMs, SOWs of enemy and deal with intruders. Meanwhile as ATs they can create highly trained pilots, which IMO will be their primary role.



Seems like YAK-130 will take this role now. Not bad either.

 

[Persian Gulf]

No, I've read some memoirs written by employees of state-owned enterprises involved in arms export. Around 2000, China hoped to cooperate with Iran to upgrade the radar of its F-4 fighter jets, using the J-8F's Type 1492 radar. However, China wanted to visit the AWG9 radar of the F-14 fighter jet.The Iranians told us that this radar was too advanced for us.Our visit request was rejected.,This is ridiculous. How could a radar that the US deployed in the 1970s be considered advanced by China?

seems you are emotional about this. probably indeed some mistakes were made by Iran in this relationship, but China has not been perfect either. besides, 2000 in a long time ago. 25+ years ago, perceptions of Chinese military power were very different today. best to let it go.

 

[Piet]

Footage of F-14A of IRIAF landing back after shooting down 3 x Israeli Drones. F-14A shot down total of 8 enemy drones and engaged with an IAF F-15 which had to run back.

F-15I jettisoned twice over Western Iran during the war, one time shot at (by Khordad-15?). Engagement with an F-14A could be the second instance.

Other than these two events, there exists ZERO evidence of Israeli aircraft intruding Iranian airspace. That Spice PGM image over Tehran turned out to be Ice Breaker ALCM launched from above Iraq, falsely claimed by Israeli accounts to be PGM fired from within Iran .... War is Propoganda .... at which Israelis succeed and Iranian leadership failed miserably. IRGCASF despite scoring crucial and extremely difficult strikes inside Israel could not build the narrative of absolute dominance over Israeli AD, Israeli gag order over capturing any Iranian strike was not for nothing. IRIAD/IADS of Iran despite making sure that IAF fighters do not intrude inside Iranian airspace could not put forward their performance in media either. Surprisngly IRIAF's stupid chief got the airtime despite sitting out the war mostly.



Had leadership funded IRIAF enough to carry out F-14A -> F-14AM conversions in decent numbers, many more lives would have saved from ALBM/ALCM fired from above Iraq. 10-15 million an airframe would have given them a large fleet before SU-35S arrive.

Sorry for the late response.

I think that this pilot and his WSO did more for the acquisitions of modern combat a/c by Iran than all the Defence bigwigs and 'reluctant' politicians had done over the years.

Watching the video it appeared that they got a very good reception when they returned to base. Unfortunately I was not able to understand the chatter in the background, but a sight-challenged person would in all probability have come to the same conclusion.

Its called pride, but in a good way. Heavens know but the IRIAF needed some pick-me-up at this stage.

Piet

 

[Mr Iran Eye]

both of your flags are Canadian, and you are talking about Iranians.

you have been posting nonsense theories for many years, and so far none of them have come true. the onus is on you to provide proof of your claims, not just refer to your magical telegram group with secret information.

Fake news!!

Prove to me that my so-called theories are ridiculous? In my Telegram group, there are Iranians who are much more interesting than you. And since when do you prove your claims here? Where? Who's driving people away from here? While you're talking about the generals' bellies, elsewhere people are having serious discussions! I'm not talking about everything that's said in the group here.

There's nothing magical about my group, but there are quality people with serious discussions, and very interesting things are said. Yes, the Qaher-313 project is a major research and development project, and the Supreme Leader is well aware of it and isn't playing the fake news game.

 

[Persian Gulf]

Prove to me that my so-called theories are ridiculous?

that's not how this works

In my Telegram group, there are Iranians who are much more interesting than you.

are you a child?

And since when do you prove your claims here? Where? Who's driving people away from here? While you're talking about the generals' bellies, elsewhere people are having serious discussions! I'm not talking about everything that's said in the group here.

I guess you call random anecdotes from your magical telegram group of super interesting people serious discussions

 

[Mr Iran Eye]

Never underestimate the research and development capabilities of the Iranian military industry; they still have many surprises in store for us. Only 30% of Iran's power was revealed in the 12-Day War. The remaining 70% is being strengthened daily through mass production and an increased military budget.