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[gambit]

A few questions:

1. Was there ever a reasonable scenario in which a fleet of modern aircraft would have survived a war against the US or Israel? Or both, in this case?

First...My comment will have no bearing on Israel. Personally, I have no ties to Israel, and I view the state of Israel as strictly a geopolitical partner.

Now...In what context do you mean 'modern'? US airpower includes platforms that predate 'stealth', of which some ME air forces already have, such as the F-15, for example. If we put aside the F-22/35 and B-2, that would still put US airpower magnitudes above most air forces. Does any potential US adversary, and that includes China, have the equivalent of the F-15EX, the most modern of that platform? Now we add in the F-22/35 and B-2.

In any war, the goal is to overwhelm the enemy in all arenas, as much as possible.

2. Was it ever possible to maintain and upgrade a fleet of such aircraft over a prolonged period of time (say 25 years) while under the world's most severe sanctions regime?

No. What you are asking is EXTREMELY complex in terms of logistics. The most 'modern' platform, and I used that word generously, the Iranian has is the F-14. The Iranians, to their credit, have done well keeping whatever few F-14s they have flying, but not because of Western sources.

If you have to import your defense, as how most of the world's militaries are, you are at the mercy of your suppliers.

3. Would air power of this kind be subject to greater or less acts of deliberate sabotage over this period of time than an indigenous missile capability?

Yes. An air base is more vulnerable to any form of sabotage than a missile base.

 

[Flotilla]

Does any potential US adversary, and that includes China, have the equivalent of the F-15EX, the most modern of that platform?

Yes, the J16. With much bigger radar antenna, and longer range missiles.

and I view the state of Israel as strictly a geopolitical partner.

...

 

[gambit]

Yes, the J16. With much bigger radar antenna, and longer range missiles.

And combat record?

 

[Cipher212]

And combat record?

Su-35 is already proven to score long range BVR kills in Ukraine with Russian radars and R-77. The J-16 is a superior version of that flanker with Chinese avionics and missiles like the PL-15.

Sometimes you don't need a test drive to know which car is faster.

 

[Ali_Baba]

And combat record?

J10CE had no combat record until it shot down
4 x Rafales ( BS-001, BS-021, BS-022, and BS-027) ||, Su30MKI, Mig-29, Mirage-2000.

Lack of combat record does not necessarily indicate lack of real capabilities.

We do know that PL15s work quite well now?

 

[Flotilla]

And combat record?

Actually better than while F15.
From Kosovo to Irán, you're a noob if you don't shoot down a B/C/SA versions.

What's on the menu today?.

 

[Flotilla]

First, am former USAF, F-111 Cold War, then F-16 Desert Storm.

Now...THERE IS NO SUBSTITUTE FOR AN AIR FORCE.

Missiles are not it.

I agree at this point.

And let be honest, they make even more pathetic the US/israelí defeat.

The truth It is they received the last US made fighter when you were still virgin and still kicked the USAF/US Navy and Heyl HaAvir out.

 

[Shags101]

I agree at this point.

And let be honest, they make even more pathetic the US/israelí defeat.

The truth It is they received the last US made fighter when you were still virgin and still kicked the USAF/US Navy and Heyl HaAvir out.

Yeah definitely agree as well countries no matter what country need competent air forces to compliment air defenses and everything in between but yeah damn Iran was fighting with several severe handicaps and were still fighting everyone off imagine an actual land invasion that would have lasted years honestly people really do need to commend how Iran fought so hard destroyed bases all over the Middle Eas(not propaganda the reports are coming in now constantly no matter how much trump tries to hide it)

 

[gambit]

Su-35 is already proven to score long range BVR kills in Ukraine with Russian radars and R-77. The J-16 is a superior version of that flanker with Chinese avionics and missiles like the PL-15.

Sometimes you don't need a test drive to know which car is faster.

The USAF have no issues with that.

 

[Mr Iran Eye]

It was clear that this was a Kowsar, probably an even more recent version that hasn't been announced.

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Explainer: How an Iranian fighter jet slid through layered air defenses to bomb US base in Kuwait

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www.presstv.ir

 

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[gambit]

J10CE had no combat record until it shot down
4 x Rafales ( BS-001, BS-021, BS-022, and BS-027) ||, Su30MKI, Mig-29, Mirage-2000.

Lack of combat record does not necessarily indicate lack of real capabilities.

We do know that PL15s work quite well now?

According to a Chinese PDF member here, a long time ago, the PLAAF is superior to the USAF because the PLAAF have not a combat loss ==> because the PLAAF have never been to war.

Before I joined the USAF, I learned to fly in a Cessna 152 while in high school. The 152 and 172 series have produced more civilian pilots than we will know. Anyone can produce an airplane to compete against the 152/172, but what does that show? Nothing. In 1959, a modified 172 flew for 65 days non-stop.

How Two Pilots Flew For More Than 64 Consecutive Days Without Landing

In 1958 two men in a Cessna took off on a nonstop 150,000-mile flight around the desert outside Las Vegas and set a record that still stands.

simpleflying.com

Lack of combat record does not necessarily indicate lack of real capabilities.

A 'cargo' plane, like a Cessna 152/172, show its capabilities everyday, for the last seven decades. Unfortunately, air combats are not always so available. So every time a fighter engaged in a 'life or death' situation, everyone involved in military aviation perk up. The F-15 base platform have produced combat record -- enviable.

But where did that combat record record came from? Enemies of the US and our allies.

When I learned to fly back in the 1980s, I did not flew against anyone but -- against myself.

Do you see where am going here?

Countries that must import their defense cannot afford to be careless with what they bought. Let us say that China exported the J16. To who and how likely are they to be engaged in wars? So far, only the PLAAF flies the J16 while the American fighters are bought and actually flew in combat by those who bought them, notably, the Israelis.

Anyone can make any plane and make any claim.

Claim vs Combat.

Airbus did not shoot down any Boeing airplane, but they competed against each other via the next best thing -- airline passengers. The result is that Airbus remains viable and consistently a threat to Boeing.

The Chinese J16 are not comparable to Airbus, aka real competition, in terms of real world records.

Claim vs Combat.

The F-15 got plenty of combat. The J16 does not.

 

[vmro]

I agree at this point.

And let be honest, they make even more pathetic the US/israelí defeat.

The truth It is they received the last US made fighter when you were still virgin and still kicked the USAF/US Navy and Heyl HaAvir out.

USA plus zio air forces combined are stronger than rest of the world combined in air jets fighting abilities...

So stronger that it is not even close...

Why was Iran so disrespectful to this proven fact and reject to beg for mercy, is lack from elemental respect for opponent's cunning plans...

They have no idea how legendary power f-15 poses

 

[mack8]

Another incredible IRIAF flex if true. I wonder if it was an upgraded F-4E Dowran, with modern Bayyenat radar and Baz BVRAAM among others.

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