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[Cipher212]

I am just guessing this but Su-35 must be better at operating from rough airfields versus J-10 (like the MiG-29). The Chinese are probably not optimising J-10 undercarriage and suspension for that kind of operation.

Considering how Iranian airfields get hammered that could be a very useful thing.

 

[Ali_Baba]

If su35 is all that Iran gets, then that's a issue, but if they get Su35 to support long range bombing runs, I don't see a problem

Especially if Iran is allowed to incorporate and develop its own weapons



But Iran would also require a air superiority fighter, that can actually take on Israeli or others jets

Iran needs to make a concerted effort to build her air force imho. Her missiles bases and drones are perfect but they are missing that one remaining component. The fact that the IDF IAF directly entered their airspace to try and kill the negotiators(as per NYT where the civilian planes had to do an emergency landing) tells you that Iran needs to restore full sovereign control over her airspace asap though replenishment and upgrade of their IADS(and protect them better through a layered approach), coupled with a modern air force.

If Iran can get all UN sanctions, esp. those military ones lifted, then her choices are much better to rebuild.

The Iranians have proven to be good fast learners as they learned from the 12 day war to develop the mosaic doctrine thereafter, so I am sure they will make the right decisions ( but I do believe this "full" faith in Russia is misplaced imho ).

 

[hussain0216]

Iran needs to make a concerted effort to build her air force imho. Here missiles bases and drones are perfect but they are missing that one remaining component. The fact that the IDF IAF entered their airspace to try and kill the negotiators tells you that Iran needs to restore full control over her airspace though replenishment and upgrade of their IADS(and protect them better through a layered approach), coupled with an air force.

If Iran can get all UN sanctions, esp those military ones lifted, then her choices are much better to rebuild.

The Iranians have proven to be good fast learners as they learned from the 12 day war to develop the mosaic doctrine thereafter, so I am sure they will make the right decisions ( but I do believe this "full" faith in Russia is misplaced imho ).

I'm not sure what the problem with Iran-China is

I don't know if their is a trust issue or problem or what

IF China is willing to sell (maybe that's the problem, with sanctions etc)

Then I don't see a better option then the J10C


JF17 probably is unsuitable for a country as large as Iran, but it's a decent option especially if bought in numbers to protect areas and cities and locations whilst being able to support J10Cs or anything else
The added bonus being Iran has a better chance of developing and integration of weapons onto the JF17 then anything else

 

[Yasser76]

Sometimes I think country like Iran may as well forget about jet fighters. Why bother if your opponents will always have superiority in numbers and quality?

I think that they current set up of just burying everything underground, massive amounts of hidden missiles and drones proved survivable. Maybe now just invest in a massive amount of low, medium and high altitide SAMs, which can be mobile and well hidden.

Make any war as painful as possible. This does not require air superiority

 

[Ali_Baba]

I'm not sure what the problem with Iran-China is

It is difficult to know if it was the sanctions that tempered, or something deeper.

However, given what Iran has undergone and the amount of damage caused, Iran will need to rethink its approach its approach at multiple levels to rebuild her defensive capabilities asap.

Russia cannot offer Iran the AEW&C/AWCAs, EW systems, IADS that China can do on "mass".

Let's see what develops on this front.

 

[Michael]

I'm not sure what the problem with Iran-China is

I don't know if their is a trust issue or problem or what

IF China is willing to sell (maybe that's the problem, with sanctions etc)

Then I don't see a better option then the J10C


JF17 probably is unsuitable for a country as large as Iran, but it's a decent option especially if bought in numbers to protect areas and cities and locations whilst being able to support J10Cs or anything else
The added bonus being Iran has a better chance of developing and integration of weapons onto the JF17 then anything else

Shortly after the outbreak of the US/Israel-Iran war, a senior Iranian military official publicly stated that Iran was capable of independently dealing with the threat and did not need any external assistance. (I can't recall which officer this was; you can look it up yourself.)

Shortly afterward, Russian President Putin stated in an interview: "We have not received any requests for assistance from Iran."

The Chinese government and senior officials typically do not issue such statements. However, to date, we have not received any requests for assistance from Iran. The Iranian Embassy in China even publicly stated on the Chinese social media platform Weibo that it did not need any aid.

So, based on the current information, the only conclusion we can draw is that Iran is capable of independently facing the current threat and does not need any assistance.

Therefore, you don't need to worry about Iran. If they truly feel unable to cope with the current crisis, they will proactively request assistance from Russia or China. I believe that Russia and China will not stand idly by.

 

[zzw001]

I'm not sure what the problem with Iran-China is

I don't know if their is a trust issue or problem or what

IF China is willing to sell (maybe that's the problem, with sanctions etc)

Then I don't see a better option then the J10C


JF17 probably is unsuitable for a country as large as Iran, but it's a decent option especially if bought in numbers to protect areas and cities and locations whilst being able to support J10Cs or anything else
The added bonus being Iran has a better chance of developing and integration of weapons onto the JF17 then anything else

JF-17 is jointly produced by Pakistan (PAC operates the only serial production line now). While Pakistan is probably friendly enough with Iran do we honestly believe the Pakistani government wants the optics of selling Iran large ticket military equipment which might be used to bomb US bases in GCC countries? Pakistan's other key allies (USA, Saudi, Turkey, UAE to a lesser extent) aren't exactly pro-Iran. If Iran gets Chinese fighter jets JF-17 is the less likely candidate given Pakistan's political affiliation.

 

[Flotilla]

Sometimes I think country like Iran may as well forget about jet fighters. Why bother if your opponents will always have superiority in numbers and quality?

I think that they current set up of just burying everything underground, massive amounts of hidden missiles and drones proved survivable. Maybe now just invest in a massive amount of low, medium and high altitide SAMs, which can be mobile and well hidden.

Make any war as painful as possible. This does not require air superiority

You're right Mr Yasser. But remember there are air forces and Air Forces. A real capable Air Force needs AEW, integration with SAM systems and multirole tankers, plus surveillance aircrafts and supra national partners.... All like Pakistán Air force. Or even Turkish Air force.
Egypt, India and even spanish are second ranked. Because we all lack AEW or the origin of differents aircrafts (europeans, americans and even indigenous) gives us less interoperativity (you won't connect never Su30 data link with Rafale ones).

So that makes Irán just to bet the easier way. Hide everything under earth and adopt a strategy of assimetric warfare.

 

[Ali_Baba]

Sometimes I think country like Iran may as well forget about jet fighters. Why bother if your opponents will always have superiority in numbers and quality?

I think that they current set up of just burying everything underground, massive amounts of hidden missiles and drones proved survivable. Maybe now just invest in a massive amount of low, medium and high altitide SAMs, which can be mobile and well hidden.

Make any war as painful as possible. This does not require air superiority

If we add the economic cost of Infrastructure that occurred during the 12 day war(a figure that Iran has not yet released), and this current war(said by Iran to be $250 to $300billion of infrastructure damage), then we have to say while the military doctrine for Iran was successful to survive, it came with a very high cost. The question is, if they had a modern effort, then how much of that damage could have been prevented.

Could an air force operating under the IADS umbrella have done better to defend the IADS itself from SEAD operations, and that "could" have reduced the freedom of movement within Iran by the USAF and therefore the damage caused ? I am not suggesting the Iranian Airforce leave the IADS umbrella to operate under it, protect the IADS and then the long range IADS systems with their 300km range could have been more effective in taking out long range targets. What we know is that the long range systems were taken out very early in the war by local drones and some SEAD operations and maybe lack of effective SHORAD to protect the 300km systems (just a thought on my part ) ?

I am interested to see what Iran decides to do, and what lessons they learnt and what they enact.

 

[Pakistan Space Agency]

I'm not sure what the problem with Iran-China is

I don't know if their is a trust issue or problem or what ...

They see Iran as a trouble maker in the region with a radicalised leadership.

Anyone sells them something sophisticated and high-tech, they'll waste no time threatening everyone in the region with it.

I have my doubts that China would want to sell any offensive weaponry like J-10s to Iran and has restricted itself to selling only defensive equipment.

 

[Yasser76]

If we add the economic cost of Infrastructure that occurred during the 12 day war(a figure that Iran has not yet released), and this current war(said by Iran to be $250 to $300billion of infrastructure damage), then we have to say while the military doctrine for Iran was successful to survive, it came with a very high cost. The question is, if they had a modern effort, then how much of that damage could have been prevented.

Could an air force operating under the IADS umbrella have done better to defend the IADS itself from SEAD operations, and that "could" have reduced the freedom of movement within Iran by the USAF and therefore the damage caused ? I am not suggesting the Iranian Airforce leave the IADS umbrella to operate under it, protect the IADS and then the long range IADS systems with their 300km range could have been more effective in taking out long range targets. What we know is that the long range systems were taken out very early in the war by local drones and some SEAD operations and maybe lack of effective SHORAD to protect the 300km systems (just a thought on my part ) ?

I am interested to see what Iran decides to do, and what lessons they learnt and what they enact.

Yeah, issue is PAF and Turks are fighting peers (if you can call India and Greece peers anymore), Iran may fight US. It is very lob sided. They seem to be masters of asymetrical warfare. Going head to head conventionally seems to make little sense

 

[Professor Jiang]

They see Iran as a trouble maker in the region with a radicalised leadership.

Anyone sells them something sophisticated and high-tech, they'll waste no time threatening everyone in the region with it.

I have my doubts that China would want to sell any offensive weaponry like J-10s to Iran and has restricted itself to selling only defensive equipment.

Interesting take. I'm sure it's backed up by robust primary research and analysis and not your very specific vibes?

 

[Pakistan Space Agency]

Interesting take. I'm sure it's backed up by robust primary research and analysis and not your very specific vibes?

That's what the "evidence" of no Chinese offensive hardware in Iran's arsenal suggests so far.

 

[Professor Jiang]

That's what the "evidence" of no Chinese offensive hardware in Iran's arsenal suggests so far.

I have no Playstation 5. It must mean Sony have banned me from owning a Playstation 5 because I am too dangerous.

 

[Flotilla]

I'm not sure what the problem with Iran-China is

I don't know if their is a trust issue or problem or what

The problem is China cannot deliver the J11/15/16 family that IRIAF need.

There is an agreement between China and Russia that doesn't allows China to export third countries their longer ranger fighters, and those are J11/16 family, assuming J15 is naval versión and also are not allowed to be exported.

By the way, the french article is talking about local assembly (FAL). We have some evidencies in Isfahan that HESA has just few months ago enlarged their landstrip and expanded their building, suggesting that they will test new aircrafts.

The article is talking about two fleets of Su30 and Su35, something weird because Su30 and Su35 are different aircrafts. While the Su35 is single seat the Su30 is piloted by 2. Engines are differents. No wing L band radars in Su30 and also different radars in SM1 versión.

Hope It is true and HESA assemble some dozens Su35/30.