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[Piet]

200-300 is probably very exaggerated for the underground aircraft shelter argument, I talked about it on the old forum long before the general immortal for underground aircraft shelters.

There are more Kowsars than you think with new configurations and other new aircraft. We will end up seeing it, let the Iranians choose the time of these revelations which will affect the ego of certain people here on this forum. For me, this is an absolute certainty

Greetings all.

In refence to the issue of building combat a/c for the IRIAF, I have posted an update to my previous 5-part paper.

Signs indicate that UAV’s could undertake rather similar missions through their AI also, to combat aircraft. I just wonder why then the rest of the world are buying combat aircraft as if it’s a fire sale . Does IRIAF’s brass and indeed the country’s political leadership perhaps have something in store that the rest of us don’t know about.

This is part of Paper no 1.

Acknowledgements​

This five-part paper would not have been possible without generous member posts to; https://defencepk.com/forums/forums/iranian-defence-forum, et al; https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/iriaf-news-and-discussions, et al; Secret Projects (UK); X (previously Twitter); and other nuggets where these were are to be found across the internet.

UPDATED 2024 06 27 – Piet.

Iran’s future go-to combat aircraft.

LIGHT – MEDIUM POSSIBILITIES

Part 1: Forebears.​

If a Northrop F-5-derived platform is indeed selected to be Iran’s future light - to - medium weight multi-role fighter, then it will probably be named along the following lines viz Azarakhsh II, Saeqeh-III, Kowsar III, and perhaps even – NG’ for instance. Going back to its roots however, it will still be a F-20 Tigershark at heart, albeit one on steroids. Also, I doubt whether the IRIAF would complain too much about entertaining an F-5 derived platform at this juncture, since its ORBAT clearly is unsatisfactory. So, let’s call the resultant aircraft ‘Saeqeh-III’ for easy reference.

The link to the above is: -

https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fo/0qsp...ey=t6z4xzpdx7794d78d75ahtdut&st=umsqtoh7&dl=0

Enjoy

Piet

 

[Flames In The Desert]

AFAIK this is the only evidence of a dielectric fairing belly with a possible SAR radar in a S129.
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This fairing it is similar in shape and size to those already posted. And news were published in Jane´s.

New payload seen on Iranian Shahed-129 UAV

At least one of the Shahed-129 unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs) operated by Iran's Islamic Revolution Guard Corps (IRGC) has been fitted with a previously unseen sensor,...

www.janes.com

Also, there is some images with a smaller belly fairing that is probably capable of carrying a small SAR radar as you have described.

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But, or you design a new UAV with integrated SAR radar like Scan Eagle (and even you can see a dielectric panel in the fuselage of the UAV or you need to modify a already designed UAV to fit a SAR radar.

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You can see rear the gimballed camera at the bow the dielectric pannel where it is carrying the SAR radar.

None of these features are visible in the 99,9% of Shahed or Mohajer family drones. That it is the reason that makes me think that SAR radars are really not operative in IRGC/Artesh UAVs.

Hope I am wrong.

Mohajer-4b

 

[Hack-Hook]

Mohajer-4b

their in field upgrade manage to make aerodynamic worse now its not even balanced between left side and right side of drone on the left side it not only have more drag but also less lift

 

[Piet]

Greetings all.

In refence to the issue of building combat a/c for the IRIAF, I have posted an update to my previous 5-part paper.

Signs indicate that UAV’s could undertake rather similar missions through their AI also, to combat aircraft. I just wonder why then the rest of the world are buying combat aircraft as if it’s a fire sale . Does IRIAF’s brass and indeed the country’s political leadership perhaps have something in store that the rest of us don’t know about.

This is part of Paper no 1.

Acknowledgements​

This five-part paper would not have been possible without generous member posts to; https://defencepk.com/forums/forums/iranian-defence-forum, et al; https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/iriaf-news-and-discussions, et al; Secret Projects (UK); X (previously Twitter); and other nuggets where these were are to be found across the internet.

UPDATED 2024 06 27 – Piet.

Iran’s future go-to combat aircraft.

LIGHT – MEDIUM POSSIBILITIES

Part 1: Forebears.​

If a Northrop F-5-derived platform is indeed selected to be Iran’s future light - to - medium weight multi-role fighter, then it will probably be named along the following lines viz Azarakhsh II, Saeqeh-III, Kowsar III, and perhaps even – NG’ for instance. Going back to its roots however, it will still be a F-20 Tigershark at heart, albeit one on steroids. Also, I doubt whether the IRIAF would complain too much about entertaining an F-5 derived platform at this juncture, since its ORBAT clearly is unsatisfactory. So, let’s call the resultant aircraft ‘Saeqeh-III’ for easy reference.

The link to the above is: -

https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fo/0qsp...ey=t6z4xzpdx7794d78d75ahtdut&st=umsqtoh7&dl=0

Enjoy

Piet

Greetings

Best viewed in Word for Web.

Piet

 

[GoMig-21]

According to this Forbes article which was written in 2015 but updated in 2022 is still pertinent today (3 years later) since we haven't seen any progress yet. I won't copy/paste the entire article but reading certain pertinent paragraphs, one can kind of understand what the issue is at hand for why Iran hasn't and isn't buying any new fighters, specifically Russian & Chinese which are really the only available ones as far as "new" aircraft. But I actually have some ideas for other options that Iran has that could make a substantial difference in raising the potency of the IRIAF. One of them I'll list at the end could be quite worthy. You can click on the title below for the link to the full article if interested in reading the entire thing.

Iran’s Air Force Still Not Likely To Acquire New Fighters Anytime Soon.​

Updated Jun 18, 2022, 04:52pm EDT
This article is more than 3 years old.

So according to the fella from Forbes who wrote this, things are starting to make more sense as to why we're not seeing either the Su-30SMs or Su-35Ss or even Chinese J-10Cs. Even Pakistani J-17 Thunders are effectively off the market.

There's no question that the sanctions have had a profound impact on not only Iran's purchase power, i.e. having the funds but also the political influence from namely the United States which has yielded its tremendous power to basically threaten those who could supply Iran with new fighter jets and for what? Unfortunately, we all know the reason being the bloody, filthy, cancerous zionist entity. Why the US bends over backwards to protect that pile of worthless scrap which offers ZERO return to the United States and the American people is a whole other ballgame, but let's leave that aside for now.

So basically, the sanctions haven't allowed Iran to maximize its oil (or other domestic) export revenues so it can enrich itself and be able to afford large military purchases, especially enough fighter jets to make a difference. In a nutshell that's the plain reason why we haven't seen the Su-30SM and/or Su-35S so far.

But what about China and the J-10C? Why can't Iran buy 3 squadrons of that rather reasonably priced fighter and augment its aged fleet of MiG-29s? Or keep those and definitely replace a bunch of F-5s? Well, according to Forbes it's because Iran is trying to use straight up oil to trade for jets, but China isn't interested in oil. It has its own source which it doesn't wish to change and would much rather have straight up cash so that's that.

The same applies to Pakistan and the J-17 Thunder. Being a JV aircraft with China and the high probability that the US has applied TREMENDOUS pressure on Pakistan to not even think about selling the aircraft to Iran, coupled with whatever China's incentive in the JV would entail, that platform is brushed aside as well.

I think that now this (not that we kinda already didn't really know all of this but this makes it clearer to everyone) pretty much explains -- in simple & condensed terms -- why we haven't seen the rumored Su-30SMs and particularly the Su-35Ss come to Iran. It also answers the Chinese J-10C and possibly the only one other option in the JF-17 from also being options to the IRIAF. Knowing these facts, it's quite understandable why this is happening, right? It's a supremely difficult position to mitigate having so much working against you and your interests from not only making money but being allowed to buy certain projects. It's absolutely ridiculous and frustrating AF but at least we can come to terms with this reality.

So, what's left, or what's the next step? Any of you fellas have any good ideas?

If you look around in certain unique situations, I've found that a GREAT option would be the MiG-31. This doesn't need to replace any of the current platforms in the IRIAF or be some great new purchase but boost the IRIAF because of the MiG-31's mission parameters and capabilities as well as its weapons systems which interestingly enough, looking at Iran's domestic missile technology, it could weaponize the 31 with weapons similar Russian ordinances such as the Kinzhal and R-37M.

Granted Russia probably won't give up any of its MiG-31s since it needs them and they're doing an amazing job for Russia in Ukraine, knocking down drones left & right, blasting Kinzhals at Ukrainian infrastructure and even intercepting a US Gobal Hawk drone. That right there would allow Iran to stretch and defend beyond just its secured territory considering the tremendous, unmanned assets the United States possesses and undoubtedly uses over & against Iran. So where can it get MiG-31s? The answer is Kazakhstan.

Kazakhstan and Iran have maintained cordial relations since Kazakhstan gained independence from the Soviet Union and has aided Iran in particular through oil swap deals, which have allowed the Islamic Republic to avoid sanctions.

During Kazakh President Kassym-Jomart Tokayev’s official visit to Tehran in June 2022, the two countries agreed to boost trade and economic cooperation.

Kazakhstan inherited 45 MiG-31s from the USSR. Of those 45, 15 were B models. A majority of the rest were earlier standard built MiG-31s. One squadron is active at 610th Airbase, Karaganda with several MiG-31s in storage there. Additional MiG-31s are in storage at Semey and offered for sale. I don't know how many there are exactly; I will research more and find out but for now, let's assume there's at least 10 - 12 which IMO would be a rather wise strategic purchase since it will enhance Iran's ability to not only intercept at supersonic speeds, but project power beyond its territory which as we all know, would be an additional valid threat to a certain enemy. I would certainly explore this option.

Kazak MiG-31s.

And with Iran's indigenous ballistic & cruise missile technology, it could adapt a current heavy weapon to simulate the Russian Kinzhal which would instantly raise the threat level to any current & potential 'enemies'.

And with its max speed of Mach 2.83 and ability to carry the R-37M (which Iran could very well find a way to either obtain it or license-build it or any other long-range variant), it would be a lethal interception asset, not to mention carry other lethal anti-ship weapons as well.

Carrying 4 R-37Ms.

It's not as super sexy as having 3 squadrons of gorgeously lethal Su-30SMs or Su-35Ss or J-10Cs, even JF-17 Thunders, but it'll serve a specific and essential role and be lethal at it and automatically raise the potency of the IRIAF. I think it would be a great addition.

 

[Piet]

According to this Forbes article which was written in 2015 but updated in 2022 is still pertinent today (3 years later) since we haven't seen any progress yet. I won't copy/paste the entire article but reading certain pertinent paragraphs, one can kind of understand what the issue is at hand for why Iran hasn't and isn't buying any new fighters, specifically Russian & Chinese which are really the only available ones as far as "new" aircraft. But I actually have some ideas for other options that Iran has that could make a substantial difference in raising the potency of the IRIAF. One of them I'll list at the end could be quite worthy. You can click on the title below for the link to the full article if interested in reading the entire thing.

Iran’s Air Force Still Not Likely To Acquire New Fighters Anytime Soon.​

Updated Jun 18, 2022, 04:52pm EDT
This article is more than 3 years old.

So according to the fella from Forbes who wrote this, things are starting to make more sense as to why we're not seeing either the Su-30SMs or Su-35Ss or even Chinese J-10Cs. Even Pakistani J-17 Thunders are effectively off the market.

There's no question that the sanctions have had a profound impact on not only Iran's purchase power, i.e. having the funds but also the political influence from namely the United States which has yielded its tremendous power to basically threaten those who could supply Iran with new fighter jets and for what? Unfortunately, we all know the reason being the bloody, filthy, cancerous zionist entity. Why the US bends over backwards to protect that pile of worthless scrap which offers ZERO return to the United States and the American people is a whole other ballgame, but let's leave that aside for now.

So basically, the sanctions haven't allowed Iran to maximize its oil (or other domestic) export revenues so it can enrich itself and be able to afford large military purchases, especially enough fighter jets to make a difference. In a nutshell that's the plain reason why we haven't seen the Su-30SM and/or Su-35S so far.

But what about China and the J-10C? Why can't Iran buy 3 squadrons of that rather reasonably priced fighter and augment its aged fleet of MiG-29s? Or keep those and definitely replace a bunch of F-5s? Well, according to Forbes it's because Iran is trying to use straight up oil to trade for jets, but China isn't interested in oil. It has its own source which it doesn't wish to change and would much rather have straight up cash so that's that.

The same applies to Pakistan and the J-17 Thunder. Being a JV aircraft with China and the high probability that the US has applied TREMENDOUS pressure on Pakistan to not even think about selling the aircraft to Iran, coupled with whatever China's incentive in the JV would entail, that platform is brushed aside as well.

I think that now this (not that we kinda already didn't really know all of this but this makes it clearer to everyone) pretty much explains -- in simple & condensed terms -- why we haven't seen the rumored Su-30SMs and particularly the Su-35Ss come to Iran. It also answers the Chinese J-10C and possibly the only one other option in the JF-17 from also being options to the IRIAF. Knowing these facts, it's quite understandable why this is happening, right? It's a supremely difficult position to mitigate having so much working against you and your interests from not only making money but being allowed to buy certain projects. It's absolutely ridiculous and frustrating AF but at least we can come to terms with this reality.

So, what's left, or what's the next step? Any of you fellas have any good ideas?

If you look around in certain unique situations, I've found that a GREAT option would be the MiG-31. This doesn't need to replace any of the current platforms in the IRIAF or be some great new purchase but boost the IRIAF because of the MiG-31's mission parameters and capabilities as well as its weapons systems which interestingly enough, looking at Iran's domestic missile technology, it could weaponize the 31 with weapons similar Russian ordinances such as the Kinzhal and R-37M.

Granted Russia probably won't give up any of its MiG-31s since it needs them and they're doing an amazing job for Russia in Ukraine, knocking down drones left & right, blasting Kinzhals at Ukrainian infrastructure and even intercepting a US Gobal Hawk drone. That right there would allow Iran to stretch and defend beyond just its secured territory considering the tremendous, unmanned assets the United States possesses and undoubtedly uses over & against Iran. So where can it get MiG-31s? The answer is Kazakhstan.

Kazakhstan and Iran have maintained cordial relations since Kazakhstan gained independence from the Soviet Union and has aided Iran in particular through oil swap deals, which have allowed the Islamic Republic to avoid sanctions.

During Kazakh President Kassym-Jomart Tokayev’s official visit to Tehran in June 2022, the two countries agreed to boost trade and economic cooperation.

Kazakhstan inherited 45 MiG-31s from the USSR. Of those 45, 15 were B models. A majority of the rest were earlier standard built MiG-31s. One squadron is active at 610th Airbase, Karaganda with several MiG-31s in storage there. Additional MiG-31s are in storage at Semey and offered for sale. I don't know how many there are exactly; I will research more and find out but for now, let's assume there's at least 10 - 12 which IMO would be a rather wise strategic purchase since it will enhance Iran's ability to not only intercept at supersonic speeds, but project power beyond its territory which as we all know, would be an additional valid threat to a certain enemy. I would certainly explore this option.

Kazak MiG-31s.

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And with Iran's indigenous ballistic & cruise missile technology, it could adapt a current heavy weapon to simulate the Russian Kinzhal which would instantly raise the threat level to any current & potential 'enemies'.

View attachment 52640

And with its max speed of Mach 2.83 and ability to carry the R-37M (which Iran could very well find a way to either obtain it or license-build it or any other long-range variant), it would be a lethal interception asset, not to mention carry other lethal anti-ship weapons as well.

Carrying 4 R-37Ms.

View attachment 52641

It's not as super sexy as having 3 squadrons of gorgeously lethal Su-30SMs or Su-35Ss or J-10Cs, even JF-17 Thunders, but it'll serve a specific and essential role and be lethal at it and automatically raise the potency of the IRIAF. I think it would be a great addition.

Thank you for posting.
Fifty-odd MiG - 31's will certainly cost less than X number of SU-35's and S-30SM's.
Thus a single aircraft to also replace both the -35 and -SM.
I.e. Air superiority and standing off with long-range super-or-hypersonic missiles.
For the light-medium weight slot, a/c, the MiG-29 will probably be available in sufficient numbers to fill this slot.
Agree that the Pakistani-PRC JF-17 will likely remain a pipe dream for the reasons mentioned.
I sometime wonder if it would be sensible, cheaper and more timeous, to try and upgrade Irans existing Mig-29's + second hand aircraft purchased, to -SMT standard with all the modern amenities.
Well, only time will tell.

Regards

Piet

 

[GoMig-21]

Thank you for posting.
Fifty-odd MiG - 31's will certainly cost less than X number of SU-35's and S-30SM's.
Thus a single aircraft to also replace both the -35 and -SM.
I.e. Air superiority and standing off with long-range super-or-hypersonic missiles.
For the light-medium weight slot, a/c, the MiG-29 will probably be available in sufficient numbers to fill this slot.
Agree that the Pakistani-PRC JF-17 will likely remain a pipe dream for the reasons mentioned.
I sometime wonder if it would be sensible, cheaper and more timeous, to try and upgrade Irans existing Mig-29's + second hand aircraft purchased, to -SMT standard with all the modern amenities.
Well, only time will tell.

Regards

Piet

Exactly, that's my thinking. It would give them an additional, affordable, lethal power projection which they do have ATM with their ballistic missiles, but this would add another dimension to that making it even more dynamic, especially for a certain entity that wishes nothing but Iran's destruction.

Now they have to think twice that there are several way Iran can retaliate.