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[ToddE]

Whoever wants to work for money and not for his country, it is better to leave Iran.

We have many literate and educated people who work for Iran for free.

This is not how the society or humans work. Your blind devotion for incompetent Mullahs is making you say irrational stuff like people should work for mullahs for free and ruin their lives because 85 years old senile men have self imposed "principles" that they imposed on a cradle of civilization empire of millenia.

Top tier Iranians are not working in Iran, they leave in BULK for millions of USD/EUs to live in free environment where the currency is stable, country wont go to war with global superpowers to for sake of Anti-Iran semites, no one will arrest their daughters or sons in name of draconian medieval laws. Check Linkedin of Sharif or KNT etc grads sometime and see where they end up in few years after getting their degrees. IRI was blessed with a glorious nation but they failed to utilise it.

Of course, you have to prove that your claim is true, because as far as I know, Iran's military projects are progressing and expanding well, as bavar 373.

Since this is the IRIAF section, here we go:

Tazarve Trainer - Crash+abandoned.
Yasin AT - Crash, not a single flyable airframe exists in 7 years.
Shafagh AT - never left mockup stage.
Azaraksh - 3 airframes, program abandoned.
Saeghe-I/II - 6 airframes, program abandoned.
Kowsar - 5 Airframes in 8 years, dozens of airframes rusting on Assembly lines.
Qaher/JAS-313 - not a single flyable airframe in 13 years.
IrAn-140/Simorgh - Crashes, 2 airframes exist in 20 years.
F-14AM program - 2 exists.
F-4E/D Dowran Program - handful of upgrades.
Fakour-90 LRBVR - Limited to 2 x F-14AM airframes, will retire with it.
Maghsoud LRBVR - Never left mockup stage.
Azaraksh HOBS WVR - never seen with IRIAF, still using obsolete AIM-9J.
OWJ Turbojet - 10 exists on 5 kowsars.
Jashesh Turbofan - Never left the prototype stage.
Stealth ALCM - never left the mockup stage.

You were saying?

 

[mack8]

Don't want to derail this with more political stuff, just to recall than when IRI did attempted to normalize relations with the americans after 2001 they were rebuffed, so it's not only IRI leadership at fault. The americans and israelis need a real or imaginary enemy to keep the gulfies in check and justify their grotesque and genocidal policies.

This of course not to minimize the IRI leadership's faults for the current IRIAF state, and IRI's in general.

Back to topic, was there a Maghsoud mockup ever shown?

 

[BigMela2onin]

Don't want to derail this with more political stuff, just to recall than when IRI did attempted to normalize relations with the americans after 2001 they were rebuffed, so it's not only IRI leadership at fault. The americans and israelis need a real or imaginary enemy to keep the gulfies in check and justify their grotesque and genocidal policies.

This of course not to minimize the IRI leadership's faults for the current IRIAF state, and IRI's in general.

Reagan offered normalization to Khomeini, he declined. Then Bush declined Iran's offer like you said.

 

[muhammed45]

Don't want to derail this with more political stuff, just to recall than when IRI did attempted to normalize relations with the americans after 2001 they were rebuffed, so it's not only IRI leadership at fault. The americans and israelis need a real or imaginary enemy to keep the gulfies in check and justify their grotesque and genocidal policies.

This of course not to minimize the IRI leadership's faults for the current IRIAF state, and IRI's in general.

Back to topic, was there a Maghsoud mockup ever shown?

You are talking about a loser called Mohammad Khatami. Most beloved by reformists.

No one in Iran wants normalization with the US except for wishful thinking silly reformists.

 

[Mehdipersian]

This is not how the society or humans work. Your blind devotion for incompetent Mullahs is making you say irrational stuff like people should work for mullahs for free and ruin their lives because 85 years old senile men have self imposed "principles" that they imposed on a cradle of civilization empire of millenia.

Top tier Iranians are not working in Iran, they leave in BULK for millions of USD/EUs to live in free environment where the currency is stable, country wont go to war with global superpowers to for sake of Anti-Iran semites, no one will arrest their daughters or sons in name of draconian medieval laws. Check Linkedin of Sharif or KNT etc grads sometime and see where they end up in few years after getting their degrees. IRI was blessed with a glorious nation but they failed to utilise it.



Since this is the IRIAF section, here we go:

Tazarve Trainer - Crash+abandoned.
Yasin AT - Crash, not a single flyable airframe exists in 7 years.
Shafagh AT - never left mockup stage.
Azaraksh - 3 airframes, program abandoned.
Saeghe-I/II - 6 airframes, program abandoned.
Kowsar - 5 Airframes in 8 years, dozens of airframes rusting on Assembly lines.
Qaher/JAS-313 - not a single flyable airframe in 13 years.
IrAn-140/Simorgh - Crashes, 2 airframes exist in 20 years.
F-14AM program - 2 exists.
F-4E/D Dowran Program - handful of upgrades.
Fakour-90 LRBVR - Limited to 2 x F-14AM airframes, will retire with it.
Maghsoud LRBVR - Never left mockup stage.
Azaraksh HOBS WVR - never seen with IRIAF, still using obsolete AIM-9J.
OWJ Turbojet - 10 exists on 5 kowsars.
Jashesh Turbofan - Never left the prototype stage.
Stealth ALCM - never left the mockup stage.

You were saying?

Iran's aviation projects were started with the cooperation of Ukraine and Russia and were closed when the foreign party left.

Top tier scientist who are not interested in Iran are not important to us. They can easily betray Iran by taking money

 

[BigMela2onin]

They can easily betray Iran by taking money

But this is exactly why Iran is so infiltrated, it's easy for spies to throw some dollars to anyone to get information or plant a device. People need to feed themselves and their families, patriotism isn't going to fill your stomach. If economy was half way decent it would be a lot harder for them to recruit insiders.

 

[Tijani]

And what is the rate of Iranian expatriates moving back to Iran permanently? Anecdotally do you know anyone who has? I don't. Most of those I know who have the means want to leave.

That you're right on. I do many who miserable but still won't move back. Why I do not know. Many I've spoken to have personal grievances against the IRI, others might have gotten so used to being in the West that it's difficult to relocate.
This is unfortunate. I have recommended on several occasions that opportunities must be given to the highly educated and talented Iranians to go back and invest in the future of Iran. Both the government and those people need to put aside their differences. I hope the government can find away to facilitate this process. If a one party state like China can succeed then Iran must find away.

Yup no argument there, I've made my opinions on whites quite clear by now.

I concur with your highly accurate opinion on the matter!

 

[Shags101]

Man this is irrational, rial is now 1 million to 1 usd. Iranians don't want to live like medieval peasants eating only rice and they don't owe loyalty to the losers who lost Syria and Lebanon in one year, crashed the economy, and are scared to build a nuclear bomb even though they made Iranians suffer 40 years of sanctions fr it. Iranians don't owe loyalty to losers and failures just like they didn't want to be loyal to the Shah. And good leaders don't make their people work for free.

And what is the rate of Iranian expatriates moving back to Iran permanently? Anecdotally do you know anyone who has? I don't. Most of those I know who have the means want to leave.

Yup no argument there, I've made my opinions on whites quite clear by now.

Honestly fair point maybe not the losers part fairly harsh but yeah I live in America and as messed up as it’s getting and prices are getting higher would I live in Palestine no no work corrupt PA corrupt Hamas and definitely corrupt af Israelis why would I but at least we have a house there unless the Israelis decide to take it or bomb it only good thing about my family’s house and the land they do have is it’s farther away for settlers and idf doesn’t really come by Al bireh off topic but I definitely have to agree you can love the country and people but living a country and people doesn’t feed you

 

[ToddE]

was there a Maghsoud mockup ever shown?

Photo from another angle shows a visual of firing test by Tomcat as well.

 

[ToddE]

Iran's aviation projects were started with the cooperation of Ukraine and Russia and were closed when the foreign party left.

I have listed which countries were involved in which projects:

(IRAN) Tazarve Trainer - Crash+abandoned.
(IRAN) Yasin AT - Crash, not a single flyable airframe exists in 7 years.
(IRAN) Shafagh AT - never left mockup stage.
(IRAN+ CHINA) Azarakhsh - 3 airframes, program abandoned.
(IRAN) Saeghe-I/II - 6 airframes, program abandoned.
(IRAN) Kowsar - 5 Airframes in 8 years, dozens of airframes rusting on Assembly lines.
(IRAN) Qaher/JAS-313 - not a single flyable airframe in 13 years.
(IRAN + UKRAINE) IrAn-140/Simorgh - Crashes, 2 airframes exist in 20 years.
(IRAN) F-14AM program - 2 exists.
(IRAN) F-4E/D Dowran Program - handful of upgrades.
(IRAN) Fakour-90 LRBVR - Limited to 2 x F-14AM airframes, will retire with it.
(IRAN) Maghsoud LRBVR - Never left mockup stage.
(IRAN) Azaraksh HOBS WVR - never seen with IRIAF, still using obsolete AIM-9J.
(IRAN) OWJ Turbojet - 10 exists on 5 kowsars.
(IRAN) Jashesh Turbofan - Never left the prototype stage.
(IRAN) Stealth ALCM - never left the mockup stage.

Out of this list (16) only two projects had foreign entities involved. Rest is pure IRI.

Top tier scientist who are not interested in Iran are not important to us. They can easily betray Iran by taking money

Top Tier Iranian Scientists are traitors because they want salaries and reward for their hardwork?

 

[Hack-Hook]

Iran's aviation projects were started with the cooperation of Ukraine and Russia and were closed when the foreign party left.

Top tier scientist who are not interested in Iran are not important to us. They can easily betray Iran by taking money

Actually it started with USA before revolution withs with bell

 

[Mehdipersian]

I have listed which countries were involved in which projects:

(IRAN) Tazarve Trainer - Crash+abandoned.
(IRAN) Yasin AT - Crash, not a single flyable airframe exists in 7 years.
(IRAN) Shafagh AT - never left mockup stage.
(IRAN+ CHINA) Azarakhsh - 3 airframes, program abandoned.
(IRAN) Saeghe-I/II - 6 airframes, program abandoned.
(IRAN) Kowsar - 5 Airframes in 8 years, dozens of airframes rusting on Assembly lines.
(IRAN) Qaher/JAS-313 - not a single flyable airframe in 13 years.
(IRAN + UKRAINE) IrAn-140/Simorgh - Crashes, 2 airframes exist in 20 years.
(IRAN) F-14AM program - 2 exists.
(IRAN) F-4E/D Dowran Program - handful of upgrades.
(IRAN) Fakour-90 LRBVR - Limited to 2 x F-14AM airframes, will retire with it.
(IRAN) Maghsoud LRBVR - Never left mockup stage.
(IRAN) Azaraksh HOBS WVR - never seen with IRIAF, still using obsolete AIM-9J.
(IRAN) OWJ Turbojet - 10 exists on 5 kowsars.
(IRAN) Jashesh Turbofan - Never left the prototype stage.
(IRAN) Stealth ALCM - never left the mockup stage.

Out of this list (16) only two projects had foreign entities involved. Rest is pure IRI.



Top Tier Iranian Scientists are traitors because they want salaries and reward for their hardwork?

Iranian projects are being built. But without foreign aid, everything will go slowly. Also, the amount of budget is important. We have many literate patriots in Iran, and there is no need to worry about this.

 

[wudangmaster]

Photo from another angle shows a visual of firing test by Tomcat as well.

Is there any chance this missile can work with anything else, even if handicapped? At least it can justify its production.

 

[ToddE]

Is there any chance this missile can work with anything else, even if handicapped? At least it can justify its production.

F-14AM can fire it with no problem. Upgraded F-4E/D "Dowran" can fire Fakour-90 and Maghsoud both but G limit reduces to 3-4.

Theoretically SU-35S, SU-30SM can fire it without any physical difficulty but they have R-37. Maghsoud can be modified to be lifted by Flankers to supplement R-37 numbers. Missile can reach 200 KM with dual ARH seeker and ECCM. Can easily thwart an enemy attack over Iraqi airspace or PG.

 

[ToddE]

Didn't know ERJ-145LR are present inside Iran.

Can be an awesome platform for local AEW&C platform since number of airforces all over the world use it for this purpose.