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[ToddE]

Iran need that airplane or at least one modified version of it for civil aviation

The project is disastrously slow. Its the non combat equivalent of Iranian local F-5 projects. Its better to save time + effort and go for civilian aircraft from abroad. Seems like there has been little problem for Iran to smuggle them in even from western countries.

 

[OldTwilight]

if IRI didn't wasted 50 billions $ on Syria and on rearming syrian army , we would have enough budget to build something in par with jf17 and with 200-300 them , our skies would far safer ..

 

[MS Sandhu]

Iranian A


Indeed. Iranian Americans earn more on average than even white americans or other european migrant groups. In Germany they are the most educated migrant group, much above Slavs, Turks, forget Arabs or other MENAS. With EU getting more industrialized this brain drain will enhance even further.

I wrote some time ago what happened to Bavar-373 early in its development phase when almost entire project bigwigs left the country. IRI is failing to get loyalty from its youths who see the system as corrupt, obsolete, suppressive and hypocritical. A top tier Iranian STEM grad can get 200K USD in North America while in Iran he will be paid in a currency that has lost its value like hell in past decade. He will be living in a country that can get into war with US/NATO/Israel any day for the sake of arabs and "principles". Then people ask why these projects like yasin, Kowsar, saeghe, besat, Karrar, Simorgh never get into serious mass productions. It is easy to churn out a prototype but for establishment of mass production line, government needs top people, not politically appointed loyal people.

Let me tell you my observation;
I know many people who have actually moved from Pakistan to Iran for better opportunities.
And Companies in Iran pay in Dollars to these people.
For example;
My senior got opportunity in a Multinational European company in Tehran and he is paid in dollars almost 2000USD / month + other benefits.
This may be little by European standard but he says living cost in Iran is really low. According to him, you can live a chilling life in Tehran in just 1000USD rest of money is your saving.So a good opportunity.

So Iranian graduates may not want to stay there but Iran is really becoming a work destination for people here.Especially multinational companies in Iran.

 

[Immortals]

if IRI didn't wasted 50 billions $ on Syria and on rearming syrian army , we would have enough budget to build something in par with jf17 and with 200-300 them , our skies would far safer ..

Holding land is always more valuable than expensive toys. That is military conquest 101. Iran just went about badly and didn’t establish proper deterrence against Israel or keep Turkey in check in Idlib. They got complacent. I blame IRGC upper leadership. This wouldn’t have happened if Solemani was still alive, he wouldn’t have sat on his hands as Syria delved deeper into Choas.

 

[Tijani]

Holding land is always more valuable than expensive toys. That is military conquest 101. Iran just went about badly and didn’t establish proper deterrence against Israel or keep Turkey in check in Idlib. They got complacent. I blame IRGC upper leadership. This wouldn’t have happened if Solemani was still alive, he wouldn’t have sat on his hands as Syria delved deeper into Choas.

First two sentences are accurate but you're the conclusion you based on these factually incorrect.

Iran went about very commendable but the financial means to help sustain Syria economically wasn't there and the Syrian people and leadership were out of sync. The Sunni population of Syria always had a tendency for headchopper democracy and when the Assad clan failed to deliver economically, due to the geopolitical ambitions of the zionist empire, he lost them. This was then compounded by the fact that the rest of the elites, especially the top brass, were bought by petrodollars.

This situation is hardly the fault of Iran and the IRGC. God bless the memory of Hajj Suleimani and his ability to convince all actors to see the bigger picture, but I do not see how he would've made the Syrians fight for their own land. Short of perhaps bringing in a invasion force, with all such madness would've entailed. Not Iran's style though and would never happen.

 

[Flotilla]

This situation is hardly the fault of Iran and the IRGC. God bless the memory of Hajj Suleimani and his ability to convince all actors to see the bigger picture, but I do not see how he would've made the Syrians fight for their own land. Short of perhaps bringing in a invasion force, with all such madness would've entailed. Not Iran's style though and would never happen.

Completely agreed. What Immortal is suggesting is a direct confontration against Turkey and Israel, and the result would be much worse.

There were two solution; put all the meat in the grinder... or just retreat.

Now the ball it is in the Turkey´s roof. Syria it is a "de facto" turkish province, Israel is bombing each odd day any meaningful syrian military stockpile exactly the same Israel did to Irán during years. And believe me, it is question of time that some turkish officers die under the US paid JDAMs.

 

[OldTwilight]

First two sentences are accurate but you're the conclusion you based on these factually incorrect.

Iran went about very commendable but the financial means to help sustain Syria economically wasn't there and the Syrian people and leadership were out of sync. The Sunni population of Syria always had a tendency for headchopper democracy and when the Assad clan failed to deliver economically, due to the geopolitical ambitions of the zionist empire, he lost them. This was then compounded by the fact that the rest of the elites, especially the top brass, were bought by petrodollars.

This situation is hardly the fault of Iran and the IRGC. God bless the memory of Hajj Suleimani and his ability to convince all actors to see the bigger picture, but I do not see how he would've made the Syrians fight for their own land. Short of perhaps bringing in a invasion force, with all such madness would've entailed. Not Iran's style though and would never happen.

The situation between Syrian and Assad clan was well known and they knew we couldn't found them , so they started it while the end result was in sight ....

 

[Tijani]

The situation between Syrian and Assad clan was well known and they knew we couldn't found them , so they started it while the end result was in sight ....

Feelings aside. Your statements are contradictory. You either accept that Iran, with Hajj Sardar Suleimani did the right thing from the onset or they did not. You can accept A, the above, and then complain concerning the execution of the plan. B, contradict yourself by stating that they should've never to begin with involve themselves in Syria, because "The situation between Syrian and Assad clan was well known and they knew we couldn't found them , so they started it while the end result was in sight ...."
It's either one or the other in this case. You have follow things through to their rationally logical conclusion. Forgive me but here you're not.

 

[sahureka2]

The Yak-130 serves as a transition to the SU-35 which does not have a two-seater aircraft to do so.
It should also be remembered that to buy the YAK-130 you have to pay (dollars, rubles or national currency) and they go entirely to a foreign country, therefore, the total number of these aircraft will only cover the needs to train the SU-35 pilots.
So there is a lot of room to continue the Yasin project, which could improve performance if turbofan engines with Patent made in Iran or made under license are available.
To standardize if a suitable Iranian turbofan is not available, the same engine as the YAK-130 would be optimal.

Finally, I think that the only reasons that the Iranian authorities close the Yasin project would be:
1) The Yasin project ultimately turns out to be a total failure so much so that it would prove dangerous in operational use.
2) the Yasin project is closed because Iran obtains the license to build the YAK-130 including the turbofan.
or
3) Having received directly from Russia a number considered sufficient of YAK-130, they aim to create a single-engine jet trainer for the transition from propeller-driven trainer aircraft to jet, for example, an aircraft in the category of the Chinese K-8.

For this third hypothesis, in Iran they could in any case follow the path taken by MIG which is in the design phase of a single-engine version starting from the MIG-AT trainer.
Since the Yasin has similarities with the MIG-AT, the Iranian designers could eventually use a large number of the design studies already done, machinery, accessories, components and structural elements to create a Yasin with reduced dimensions and single engine

Going back to answer number 3 I quoted above, I was curious to see how it might look Yasin in my hypothesis, so I played with the pictures by doing a cut, sew and paste.
Again, this is just my curiosity, nothing concrete.

 

[ToddE]

Highlights of Admiral Rastegari (head of SAIRAN) on recent products of SAIRAN. For those who do not know SAIRAN is a global military electronics giant. One of the most successful entities inside Iranian Military Industrial complex. Entire Iranian Missile forces, IADS, electronic warfare, seekers, radars, sensors, softwares etc comes from them. It was established in collaboration with USA under Shah to tackle the needs of rapidly modernizing Iranian forces at that time. This organization has never disappointed.

• Iranian IADS uses RF-DNA libraries for tracking F-35 (Electronic fingerprinting). The data apparently came from years and years of logging unique EMR signatures signatures from enemy aircraft. For those who know, this is a modern way of track profiling unique to specific aircraft.
• IADS active broad band ECCM with automatic frequency tracking. He hinted towards Jamming (USN's P-8 Posiedons) near Iranian airspace. Talks of AI controlled EW/ELINT pods on fighters.
• SAIRAN developing touch/sensory MFDs for fighter cockpits. Again talks about HMD with 360° situational awareness (seen during Kish airshow and apparently one on F-4E/D Dowran).
• 3 x PESA airborne radars for Kowsar (Bayyenat-II, copy of Grifo 346), Saegheh,
• (Bayyenat-V Baaz, based upon Sy-80 and APQ-159), F-4/E Dowran (Bayyenat-I, digitalized APQ-120). F-14AM's AWG-9 upgradation to fully digitalized APG-71 status comes from SSJO not SAIRAN but parts may have been been procured from SAIRAN. Multiple SAR radars for UCAVs. We have seen three of them.
• Digital Nav-comms: VHF/UHF secure radios, data-link (200 KM with fighters, UCAVS, IADS), TACAN, IFF.
• Battlefield integrated C4ISR and Management System (BMS): Units connected via encrypted, real-time, multi-tiered command network. Includes encrypted datalinked comms, target tracking, and automated fire coordination.
• Role of SAIRAN in upcoming LEO constellation "Soleimani".

I will later do a critical analysis of what has been purchased by forces and what not.

 

[Flotilla]

Highlights of Admiral Rastegari (head of SAIRAN) on recent products of SAIRAN. For those who do not know SAIRAN is a global military electronics giant. One of the most successful entities inside Iranian Military Industrial complex. Entire Iranian Missile forces, IADS, electronic warfare, seekers, radars, sensors, softwares etc comes from them. It was established in collaboration with USA under Shah to tackle the needs of rapidly modernizing Iranian forces at that time. This organization has never disappointed.

• Iranian IADS uses RF-DNA libraries for tracking F-35 (Electronic fingerprinting). The data apparently came from years and years of logging unique EMR signatures signatures from enemy aircraft. For those who know, this is a modern way of track profiling unique to specific aircraft.
• IADS active broad band ECCM with automatic frequency tracking. He hinted towards Jamming (USN's P-8 Posiedons) near Iranian airspace. Talks of AI controlled EW/ELINT pods on fighters.
• SAIRAN developing touch/sensory MFDs for fighter cockpits. Again talks about HMD with 360° situational awareness (seen during Kish airshow and apparently one on F-4E/D Dowran).
• 3 x PESA airborne radars for Kowsar (Bayyenat-II, copy of Grifo 346), Saegheh,
• (Bayyenat-V Baaz, based upon Sy-80 and APQ-159), F-4/E Dowran (Bayyenat-I, digitalized APQ-120). F-14AM's AWG-9 upgradation to fully digitalized APG-71 status comes from SSJO not SAIRAN but parts may have been been procured from SAIRAN. Multiple SAR radars for UCAVs. We have seen three of them.
• Digital Nav-comms: VHF/UHF secure radios, data-link (200 KM with fighters, UCAVS, IADS), TACAN, IFF.
• Battlefield integrated C4ISR and Management System (BMS): Units connected via encrypted, real-time, multi-tiered command network. Includes encrypted datalinked comms, target tracking, and automated fire coordination.
• Role of SAIRAN in upcoming LEO constellation "Soleimani".

I will later do a critical analysis of what has been purchased by forces and what not.

Thanks for translating, It is not avaiable in english and google translation is awful.

 

[Piet]

Highlights of Admiral Rastegari (head of SAIRAN) on recent products of SAIRAN. For those who do not know SAIRAN is a global military electronics giant. One of the most successful entities inside Iranian Military Industrial complex. Entire Iranian Missile forces, IADS, electronic warfare, seekers, radars, sensors, softwares etc comes from them. It was established in collaboration with USA under Shah to tackle the needs of rapidly modernizing Iranian forces at that time. This organization has never disappointed.

• Iranian IADS uses RF-DNA libraries for tracking F-35 (Electronic fingerprinting). The data apparently came from years and years of logging unique EMR signatures signatures from enemy aircraft. For those who know, this is a modern way of track profiling unique to specific aircraft.
• IADS active broad band ECCM with automatic frequency tracking. He hinted towards Jamming (USN's P-8 Posiedons) near Iranian airspace. Talks of AI controlled EW/ELINT pods on fighters.
• SAIRAN developing touch/sensory MFDs for fighter cockpits. Again talks about HMD with 360° situational awareness (seen during Kish airshow and apparently one on F-4E/D Dowran).
• 3 x PESA airborne radars for Kowsar (Bayyenat-II, copy of Grifo 346), Saegheh,
• (Bayyenat-V Baaz, based upon Sy-80 and APQ-159), F-4/E Dowran (Bayyenat-I, digitalized APQ-120). F-14AM's AWG-9 upgradation to fully digitalized APG-71 status comes from SSJO not SAIRAN but parts may have been been procured from SAIRAN. Multiple SAR radars for UCAVs. We have seen three of them.
• Digital Nav-comms: VHF/UHF secure radios, data-link (200 KM with fighters, UCAVS, IADS), TACAN, IFF.
• Battlefield integrated C4ISR and Management System (BMS): Units connected via encrypted, real-time, multi-tiered command network. Includes encrypted datalinked comms, target tracking, and automated fire coordination.
• Role of SAIRAN in upcoming LEO constellation "Soleimani".

I will later do a critical analysis of what has been purchased by forces and what not.

Greetings.

Well researched post!

Looking forward to your critical analysis... .

Piet

 

[BigMela2onin]

I will later do a critical analysis of what has been purchased by forces and what not.

Can you also link original source please.

 

[Michael]

Why are Russia and China not upgrading Iran’s Air Force ?

There are many misunderstandings about the China-Iran arms trade. Any trade is a bilateral will, not a unilateral will.

I provide some basic information:

1. Sanctions.
China is a member of the P5 and will inevitably support and abide by the resolutions adopted by the UN Security Council.
So far, most of the UN Security Council's sanctions against Iran have expired, and some clauses will expire in October 2025.
The United States and other Western countries have launched unilateral sanctions against Iran.
In March 2025, China, Russia and Iran met in Beijing, and the joint statement of the three countries clearly opposed these illegal unilateral sanctions.
So. At present, there are no legal obstacles to arms trade between China and Iran.

2. Diplomatic relations.
When China engages in foreign arms trade, in addition to complying with the international arms trade rules that the Chinese government publicly declares to comply with, it is also related to the level of diplomatic relations between China and the target country. That is, the higher the level of diplomatic relations, the richer the choice in China's foreign trade arsenal. Some countries can even obtain very sensitive weapons.
China-Iran diplomatic relations are "comprehensive strategic partnership", which is at the third level of China's diplomatic relations. Saudi Arabia, Brazil, Italy, France, etc. are at the same level of diplomatic relations. In layman's terms, the weapons that Saudi Arabia can buy from China, Iran can completely copy the order. ------Except for the DF series missiles. They are orders before China publicly declared compliance with the MTCR.
China-Pakistan relations are an "all-weather strategic cooperative partnership" and belong to the second level of China's diplomatic relations. Therefore, Pakistan will have a wider range of choices in China's foreign trade arsenal. (Some countries use this relationship to indirectly obtain Chinese weapons and technology through Pakistan.)

China's J-10CE, J-35, L-15 and other fighters are all within the scope of purchase for the Iranian Air Force.
As for whether Iran is willing to purchase these Chinese weapon systems, this is not a question I can know.

 

[Mr Iran Eye]

It smells like a scam