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[nang2]

It's increasingly clear IR will never under any circumstances go for nukes. They'd rather get slowly picked off one by one like Hezbollah did. Even Araghchi was targeted and he's still talking about how diplomacy is always an option.

Iranians are certainly brave enough to die for their country. Unfortunately, you don't win a war by dying for your own country or your cause. You do it by making your enemy dying for his country. (paraphrased from Patton's speech).

 

[ShapurII]

It's increasingly clear IR will never under any circumstances go for nukes. They'd rather get slowly picked off one by one like Hezbollah did. Even Araghchi was targeted and he's still talking about how diplomacy is always an option.

I don't disagree with you, but we need to wait. Nothing is certain before October 2025.
I believe a lot of unexpected things will happen by then. We are currently in an extremely unstable situation. This cannot go on for long.

 

[BigMela2onin]

I don't disagree with you, but we need to wait. Nothing is certain before October 2025.
I believe a lot of unexpected things will happen by then. We are currently in an extremely unstable situation. This cannot go on for long.

Well it seems that as of now the plan is to go to Oslo where the US will say "no enrichment" and Iran will say "but... but... the NPT says!" and ask the US to condemn itself at the UNSC again.

 

[ShapurII]

Well it seems that as of now the plan is to go to Oslo where the US will say "no enrichment" and Iran will say "but... but... the NPT says!" and ask the US to condemn itself at the UNSC again.

The IR needs to buy time, albeit it seems impossible at this point.
As far as the US is concerned, they are aiming for regime change and the wheels are in motion. The IR thinks they might be able to change it or slow it down, but it's going to be futile in my opinion.

The regime has lost some critical components of its nuclear program. If they do not have secret backup sites, they're screwed.

 

[BigMela2onin]

The IR needs to buy time, albeit it seems impossible at this point.
As far as the US is concerned, they are aiming for regime change and the wheels are in motion. The IR thinks they might be able to change it or slow it down, but it's going to be futile in my opinion.

I can't find it at the moment but I was reading that the US is looking for a religious leader to replace Khamenei and the jews don't want a religious leader in charge. 99% Rouhani is their agent and regime change is coming from the inside.

 

[ShapurII]

I can't find it at the moment but I was reading that the US is looking for a religious leader to replace Khamenei and the jews don't want a religious leader in charge. 99% Rouhani is their agent and regime change is coming from the inside.

Yes, that's my theory too. If you see my previous posts, I told Persian Gulf that maybe we shouldn't really hope for Khamenei's death if the alternative is someone like Hasan Rohani. People assume Khamenei is the problem because of the fatwa, but the IR system is so compromised and complex that nothing is certain.

If the IRGC is not compromised, they really need to take care of Rohani and Zarif. And by taking care of, I'm thinking about the "Farah's pool".

 

[Flotilla]

You need to secure 100% of Iranian airspace especially over your key cities and defence installations.
Huge task for your defence planners

It is impossible right now to secure such damn big airspace. Irán is nearly a half of the surface of the EU. With time passing and with such damaged Economy the best it is just protect under earth more sensitive military industry, specially missiles and SAM systems. It will take at least 10 years to have a huge, modern and operative Air force.

 

[Flotilla]

Iran may well choose to deploy its new assets in the south east of Iran, so that it can be out of range of the IAF, and then launch missions to defend Northwest from those bases. Iran will need to use its large size to it advantage by careful placement of assets when they arrive.

Agreed. Even use them inside Pakistán for some years until being operative meaningful numbers and enough air and ground crews. But who knows. It is wildly unrealistic.

 

[Michael]

3. If you believe no one want to sell you anything. Why would china sell J-35 then ? Also, do you believe your pilots can directly transition from 2.5 generation jets to 5th generation ? Even within 1 year training ?.

PLAAF does have a large number of J-6/7/8 pilots who have changed directly to flying the J-20. their training cycle is about six months. This approach provides PLAAF with a large number of advanced fighter pilots quickly. Their experience in this area is well established.
I'm not sure if these experiences apply to foreign pilots.

but they didn't because of US sanctions.

For Chinese companies investing in Iran, it is important to distinguish between different corporate natures.

Most Chinese state-owned enterprises. They have largely ignored any U.S. sanctions. The exception is SOEs in the financial sector. They have too many dollar-denominated assets.

Private enterprises.
If the private enterprise's main market is the West and it has deep cooperation with U.S. companies, then they will implement U.S. sanctions policies.
However, there are some special private enterprises in China-Iran trade activities. They exist only because of the Iranian market. Therefore, they completely ignore any U.S. sanction policies.

 

[Michael]

Its not logical for china to sell anything to Iran which make Iran AF more capable than Pakistan ... our countrymen just don't have any common sense when its comes to real politics ...

No, we need the best we can buy. If China is willing to sell us J-35, then we should buy that too. If you don't want to spend money on your air force, then you should stop picking a fight with countries like Israel.

Regarding Iran's procurement of Chinese fighter jets, our view is totally different from yours.

1, We have not gotten any information or opinion that China does not agree to sell fighter jets to Iran.JF-17B3/J-10CE/FC-31, they are all in the range of what can be sold. The information we got is that Iran is not willing to buy Chinese fighters.

2. about J-10CE. if there is any political obstacle for it to be sold to Iran, then it may have something to do with Iran-India relations.
If China sells the J-10CE to Iran and helps Iran train a large number of J-10CE pilots, Iran turns around and leaks the secrets to India. Then it will probably have a huge negative impact on our VIP customer Pakistan. So, if Iran buys J-10CE, then we will attach the necessary confidentiality clause.
Of course, this is just my speculation. We don't think this will be an obstacle for Iran to buy J-10CE.

3. Many Iranian friends do not realize that simply buying Chinese fighters will not reverse the backwardness of the Iranian air force. Even if China provides hundreds of J-20s to the Iranian air force, it still won't change that.

Let's take PAF and IAF as examples to illustrate some points.

1. The human factor.
Pilots and commanders of PAF have been training with and against PLAAF (mainly the Western Theater Air Force) for a long time. He This is not political or ceremonial training, but very “brutal” high-intensity training.
In contrast, the IAF's training intensity is not at all at the same level. The international training they participate in is also basically political or ceremonial. (We do not explore Bollywood level IAF.)

2. Weapon system factor.
Modern air war is a systematic war, not just a competition of fighters.
The PAF's weapon systems are almost exclusively Chinese weapon systems. They are completely and seamlessly integrated into a whole.
IAF weapon systems come from all over the world. Their systems are completely different from each other and cannot be integrated into a whole at all.

The Iranian Air Force is still a very long way from the PAF. The Iranian Air Force, on the other hand, is facing a far stronger opponent than the PAF's rival, the IAF.

This is not a problem that can be solved by buying some fighters.

 

[Adam Barfy]

in the meantime other beautiful images of the Yasin and you can partially see another product HESA, Simourgh
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One Yasin & one Simorgh won’t help much.

Why did they never scale anything up??

 

[R2D2]

American vs. Chinese Fighters comparison by DeepSeek.

 

[Pakistanithinktank]

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@Persian Gulf your ideas ?

According to western sources Iran place an order for 36 J-10C and intent to add 150 in next 5 years.

 

[OldTwilight]

According to western sources Iran place an order for 36 J-10C and intent to add 150 in next 5 years.

any news about AWACS and battle management system!?

 

[LittleFish]

1- Price, we are short on money that why our government want to make deal with the west to ease sanction and get some money ... (JF17 B3 would be 40-45 million $ per full unit package, while J10c would be 70-80 million $ per unit, remember Im talking about full package), we need 4.5-5 billion $ to get 100 JF17 B3 and addition 1-2 billion $ to get 4-5 KJ500 AWACS and command controller platforms ...

The problem is, Pakistan lacks foreign exchange which Iran has difficulty to pay.
In contrast, I believe China may accept payment in oil or other Iranian goods, as we have been doing so for a long period.

3- political reason, selling J10C in meaningful number will change the balance of power in Iran favor in region and for sure, so many countries will oppose it and put pressure on China to not sell or just stall delivery which make acquiring J10c in short span of time ( less than 2 years ) very unlikely unless China is willing to take the pressure ...

J10 is just fine in my opinion, since it is in the same level of F15/F16 and may not make Arabs feel threatened. Of course, J35 is another story.

5- We have active order for 40-60 Su35 , so buying another expensive 4.5th Gen fighter would put so much pressure on our AF which is always short on funds...

Forget Su35S with 1990s-level avionics , or ask Russia to offer Su35SM which at least has AESA, but you have to wait much longer.

6- The era of 4.5th gen fighter would be over in next 5-10 years, so spending so much money on 4.5th gen fighters is insane!! We should go for J10AE , Su-57 or Su-75 if the producers are willing to sell 5th Gen fighter with acceptable condition to us.

Su57 is not a real 5-gen jet due to its poor stealth, you can’t rely on Su57 to defeat F35.

Su75? Why not just buy Indian AMCA lol