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[Kyussis]

He is still asking Iran for full surrender.

Israel's plan was exactly that, a two week war then pause to replenish supplies, then attack again. Netanyahu announced this at the outset.

If Iran truly deterred Israel, they wouldn't be gearing up to attack again.

Just ignore this guy. He is a troll, but doesn't mean we should all ignore reality.

Can you show me where Israel declared that they were going to wage a 2 week war?

 

[Shafagh]

Can you show me where Israel declared that they were going to wage a 2 week war?

Benjamin Netanyahu vows to attack Iran for ‘as long as necessary’

Tehran begins retaliatory strikes while US says it is helping to shoot down missiles targeting Israel

www.ft.com

"An Israeli military official said the attacks could last for as long as two weeks"

They had planned it out for this duration.

 

[kastor ville]

Benjamin Netanyahu vows to attack Iran for ‘as long as necessary’

Tehran begins retaliatory strikes while US says it is helping to shoot down missiles targeting Israel

www.ft.com

"An Israeli military official said the attacks could last for as long as two weeks"

They had planned it out for this duration.

I bet you a dollar, the reason they said that was because of their own calculations of how many missiles they could intercept.....they said it in advance knowing they would be sitting ducks after 2 weeks time.
This is the kind of preplanning we need to do.

 

[OldTwilight]

Both Russian and China have officially stated they do not recognise the “snap back” sanctions

but they will honor it in reality ... you simply don't know how they play when it comes to Iran ... Iranian so called leader like "TALK" more than real "ACTION" , so they in talk , please them but in action please the west .

 

[ToddE]

You repeat the name of Iranian leader left and right like a crow.

I had seen a couple of your posts that looked rational but with the current rate of obsession you may end up like one of those shit posters.

Khamenei said Iran is not important in the middle of the war, gave fatwa against nukes, forbade ICBMs, killed IRIAF through budget cuts, crippled Iranian economy due to self inflicted sanctions. Sorry but not Sorry.

No one is saying Iran doesn't need airforce. Issue has always been sanctions and the will of other countries to share their top tech jets.

BS. Majority of the 2nd world has domestic fighter production or projects that blossomed into fleets. Where is the Iranian fighter that got mass produced ?

Russia for example suggested Iran with Mig-35. Iran refused for obvious reasons.

Iran refused MIG-35 because Iran prefers its awesome fleet of Mirages F-1, F-5 and F-7N ? LOL

Iran wanted Mig-29 upgrade and if possible Mig-31 and upgraded generation of SU-30's family such as 30SM and 35. But Russians didn't want to bother their Israeli brethren.

Source ?

China only had J-10 at that time to offer. It had serious limits plus it requires AWACS to compensate its relatively short radar range. China has improved it with C version but still has its own limits.

Stop the BS. J-10 operates KLJ-7/10A AESA that can guide 145/200+ KM ranging ARH PL-15/PL-15E. In comparison Su-35S has IRBIS-E PESA radar that can track a 4.5 gen fighter at 100 KM. One can argue that J-10CE came later but what would have stopped Iran from getting its own fleet of 100 or so J-10A/B upgraded to C standard later had IRI purchased the platform to retire Shahi relic grounded fleet. IRI ran away from J-10 (and JH-7 Attack) and ended up purchasing nothing.

Main question is, Iran wants fighter jets for what? Which country on the planet can offer Iran a fighter jet capable of taking on American technology such as F-22?

Israel phucked Iranian IADS's Search n Track Assets from Iraqi airspace using their F-16, F-15. American F-22 or F-35 played no role in Israel killing 1000 Iranians or crippling of IADS. Your logic is pure shit. You are technically saying that because USAF F-22 are invincible, IRIAF should not have any capability to counter regional enemy 4th gen fighters either.

For obvious reasons Iran wants new capable jets to reduce pressure on its airdefense network. No one on the planet can completely overcome quality of American fighters in aerial combat.

Americans did not kill 1000 Iranians or crippled Iranians IADS using ALBMS. Israel did with its 4th gen fighters.

Plus Iran doesn't have deep pockets like China to operationalize hundreds of jets to at least challenge USN's jets in terms of quantity. The infrastructure, the subsystems, the required technology from chipsets to superalloys. It needs hundreds of billions of dollars to challenge top tech of USAF.

Whose fault is this that Iran with its 2nd largest in the world HC sector cant sell its oil or get investments into the sector ? Khamenei lost 500+ billion in Hezbollah, Iraqi militias, Syria, Yemen, Hamas. Just 1/10th of that would have armed Iran with IRIAF that could save Iran.

A single MIG-29M worth 25 Million, JF-17 Block III costs 30 million, J-10 is probably 40 Million USD. Forget the foriegn Tech, a single fully armed Kowsar costs 25 million USD. A force fo 150 would have taken down enemy ALCMs, Sows, Drones, hunted local terrorists in furthest corners of Iran. Yet 5 exists. F-14AM conversion that can take on enemy at 200 KM costs 10 Million USD yet 2 exists. I can go on and on. Mullahs messed up big time.

This makes airforce lose its priority in Iranian doctrine not because its not important, but because of its financial burden. We can't afford to defeat USAF in the air. It's impossible with current sanctions and current amount of limited budget.

USAF did not bomb Iranian generals in Syria to shreds. They did not bomb Iranians Search n Track assets inside Iran, they did not kill thousands Iranians either. IAF did. In future Arab airforces, Turkey and possibly even Azerbaijan can do same to Iran because Iran has no Airforce. Search n Trakc Assets of IADS will be taken down to blind the batteries, ALBMS, ALCMS, Sows will be fired upon Iranian nation from outside Iranian borders and you will be saving Khamenei here again because you people have lost shame in cult following.

Despite all the hurdles, Iran has managed at it. It keeps its fleet alive and has already begun to work on newer technology to reach an affordable solution.

Newer Tech like 5 kowsars (F-5F with 4.0 avionics), 6 Saeghes with no avionics, 2 Yasins one of which crashed ? Or RC Qahers

Currently, nothing can down F-35 and F-22 in an air battle. All the current 5th generation fighter jets in the world including SU-57, J-20, J-35 etc are all wannabe F-22 hence they can never beat F-22 in the air.

Iranian IADS was surgically crippled by IAF using F-15, F-16 from Iraqi airspace. Stop spinning it into the 5th generation dogfight scenario. Nobody is entering Iran with F-35 or SU-57 when Enemy can cripple Iranians IADS or Missile launchers sites from hundreds of KM away from Iranian airspace using any attack fighters that can lift PGMs.

The projects that you ignorantly introduce as failed attempts, are tech demonstrators not actual projects for production line.

Stop lying, none of them were introduced as "protoypes" or "tech demonstrators". Everytime a rebuilt F-5 copy was introduced the generals standing there called it being "mass produced". They even showed assembly lines. Tech demonstrators do not have assembly lines.

Iran will mass produce only one platform. It has to be able to keep our sky safe and it has to be capable of taking on American jets. This makes IRIAF's job hard but possible to pursue a platform that is not firstly am economic burden, secondly its affordable, thirdly its comparable to best air superiority jets in the world and finally it has to be up to date. Till reaching this point, every kind of foreign purchase has to be limited and considered as a fill the gap process nothing more nothing less.

BS again. IAF shat on Iranians IADS's radars and sensor sites using their 4th generation fighters. USAF did not. In any future conflict with Turkey, Azewrbaijan, PGCC. F-16, F-15, F-18, Rafales, EF2000 will repeat same story. Walk in a park for anybody with planes that can fire ALBMS or long ranged ALCMS, SOWS away from Iranian airspace. A decent IRIAF could have handled it but Mullahs killed IRIAF.

 

[ShapurII]

Khamenei said Iran is not important in the middle of the war, gave fatwa against nukes, forbade ICBMs, killed IRIAF through budget cuts, crippled Iranian economy due to self inflicted sanctions. Sorry but not Sorry.



BS. Majority of the 2nd world has domestic fighter production or projects that blossomed into fleets. Where is the Iranian fighter that got mass produced ?



Iran refused MIG-35 because Iran prefers its awesome fleet of Mirages F-1, F-5 and F-7N ? LOL



Source ?



Stop the BS. J-10 operates KLJ-7/10A AESA that can guide 145/200+ KM ranging ARH PL-15/PL-15E. In comparison Su-35S has IRBIS-E PESA radar that can track a 4.5 gen fighter at 100 KM. One can argue that J-10CE came later but what would have stopped Iran from getting its own fleet of 100 or so J-10A/B upgraded to C standard later had IRI purchased the platform to retire Shahi relic grounded fleet. IRI ran away from J-10 (and JH-7 Attack) and ended up purchasing nothing.



Israel phucked Iranian IADS's Search n Track Assets from Iraqi airspace using their F-16, F-15. American F-22 or F-35 played no role in Israel killing 1000 Iranians or crippling of IADS. Your logic is pure shit. You are technically saying that because USAF F-22 are invincible, IRIAF should not have any capability to counter regional enemy 4th gen fighters either.



Americans did not kill 1000 Iranians or crippled Iranians IADS using ALBMS. Israel did with its 4th gen fighters.



Whose fault is this that Iran with its 2nd largest in the world HC sector cant sell its oil or get investments into the sector ? Khamenei lost 500+ billion in Hezbollah, Iraqi militias, Syria, Yemen, Hamas. Just 1/10th of that would have armed Iran with IRIAF that could save Iran.

A single MIG-29M worth 25 Million, JF-17 Block III costs 30 million, J-10 is probably 40 Million USD. Forget the foriegn Tech, a single fully armed Kowsar costs 25 million USD. A force fo 150 would have taken down enemy ALCMs, Sows, Drones, hunted local terrorists in furthest corners of Iran. Yet 5 exists. F-14AM conversion that can take on enemy at 200 KM costs 10 Million USD yet 2 exists. I can go on and on. Mullahs messed up big time.



USAF did not bomb Iranian generals in Syria to shreds. They did not bomb Iranians Search n Track assets inside Iran, they did not kill thousands Iranians either. IAF did. In future Arab airforces, Turkey and possibly even Azerbaijan can do same to Iran because Iran has no Airforce. Search n Trakc Assets of IADS will be taken down to blind the batteries, ALBMS, ALCMS, Sows will be fired upon Iranian nation from outside Iranian borders and you will be saving Khamenei here again because you people have lost shame in cult following.



Newer Tech like 5 kowsars (F-5F with 4.0 avionics), 6 Saeghes with no avionics, 2 Yasins one of which crashed ? Or RC Qahers



Iranian IADS was surgically crippled by IAF using F-15, F-16 from Iraqi airspace. Stop spinning it into the 5th generation dogfight scenario. Nobody is entering Iran with F-35 or SU-57 when Enemy can cripple Iranians IADS or Missile launchers sites from hundreds of KM away from Iranian airspace using any attack fighters that can lift PGMs.



Stop lying, none of them were introduced as "protoypes" or "tech demonstrators". Everytime a rebuilt F-5 copy was introduced the generals standing there called it being "mass produced". They even showed assembly lines. Tech demonstrators do not have assembly lines.



BS again. IAF shat on Iranians IADS's radars and sensor sites using their 4th generation fighters. USAF did not. In any future conflict with Turkey, Azewrbaijan, PGCC. F-16, F-15, F-18, Rafales, EF2000 will repeat same story. Walk in a park for anybody with planes that can fire ALBMS or long ranged ALCMS, SOWS away from Iranian airspace. A decent IRIAF could have handled it but Mullahs killed IRIAF.

نرود میخ آهنی در سنگ
اینها اگه می‌خواستن بفهمن تا الان فهمیده بودن

خطر اصلی ایران دیگه خود آمریکا نیست
آمریکا اصلاً نیازی به اینکه با ایران مستقیم درگیر بشه نداره وقتی حتی با جنگ با بازوهاش تو منطقه مثل اسرائیل و ترکیه هم می‌تونه ایران رو شکست بده

خطر اصلی ایران الان ترکیه و امارات و آذربایجان هستند
بدون نیروهوایی از هرکدوم از این کشورها شکست می‌خوریم
نیازی هم به اسرائیل و آمریکا نیست​

 

[Arkan55]

but they will honor it in reality ... you simply don't know how they play when it comes to Iran ... Iranian so called leader like "TALK" more than real "ACTION" , so they in talk , please them but in action please the west .

We are talking about Iran here, not TORKYIA (or whatever the jewish construct that is turkey calls itself today).
Can we stick to Iran, please!

 

[Arkan55]

نرود میخ آهنی در سنگ
اینها اگه می‌خواستن بفهمن تا الان فهمیده بودن

خطر اصلی ایران دیگه خود آمریکا نیست
آمریکا اصلاً نیازی به اینکه با ایران مستقیم درگیر بشه نداره وقتی حتی با جنگ با بازوهاش تو منطقه مثل اسرائیل و ترکیه هم می‌تونه ایران رو شکست بده

خطر اصلی ایران الان ترکیه و امارات و آذربایجان هستند
بدون نیروهوایی از هرکدوم از این کشورها شکست می‌خوریم
نیازی هم به اسرائیل و آمریکا نیست​

There is defintely a need for the US/Israel, as they are the primary instigator and enabler of any attacks against Iran.
As such hitting the head of the snake (Israel), makes perfect sense.

 

[Flotilla]

Khamenei said Iran is not important in the middle of the war, gave fatwa against nukes, forbade ICBMs, killed IRIAF through budget cuts, crippled Iranian economy due to self inflicted sanctions. Sorry but not Sorry.



BS. Majority of the 2nd world has domestic fighter production or projects that blossomed into fleets. Where is the Iranian fighter that got mass produced ?



Iran refused MIG-35 because Iran prefers its awesome fleet of Mirages F-1, F-5 and F-7N ? LOL



Source ?



Stop the BS. J-10 operates KLJ-7/10A AESA that can guide 145/200+ KM ranging ARH PL-15/PL-15E. In comparison Su-35S has IRBIS-E PESA radar that can track a 4.5 gen fighter at 100 KM. One can argue that J-10CE came later but what would have stopped Iran from getting its own fleet of 100 or so J-10A/B upgraded to C standard later had IRI purchased the platform to retire Shahi relic grounded fleet. IRI ran away from J-10 (and JH-7 Attack) and ended up purchasing nothing.



Israel phucked Iranian IADS's Search n Track Assets from Iraqi airspace using their F-16, F-15. American F-22 or F-35 played no role in Israel killing 1000 Iranians or crippling of IADS. Your logic is pure shit. You are technically saying that because USAF F-22 are invincible, IRIAF should not have any capability to counter regional enemy 4th gen fighters either.



Americans did not kill 1000 Iranians or crippled Iranians IADS using ALBMS. Israel did with its 4th gen fighters.



Whose fault is this that Iran with its 2nd largest in the world HC sector cant sell its oil or get investments into the sector ? Khamenei lost 500+ billion in Hezbollah, Iraqi militias, Syria, Yemen, Hamas. Just 1/10th of that would have armed Iran with IRIAF that could save Iran.

A single MIG-29M worth 25 Million, JF-17 Block III costs 30 million, J-10 is probably 40 Million USD. Forget the foriegn Tech, a single fully armed Kowsar costs 25 million USD. A force fo 150 would have taken down enemy ALCMs, Sows, Drones, hunted local terrorists in furthest corners of Iran. Yet 5 exists. F-14AM conversion that can take on enemy at 200 KM costs 10 Million USD yet 2 exists. I can go on and on. Mullahs messed up big time.



USAF did not bomb Iranian generals in Syria to shreds. They did not bomb Iranians Search n Track assets inside Iran, they did not kill thousands Iranians either. IAF did. In future Arab airforces, Turkey and possibly even Azerbaijan can do same to Iran because Iran has no Airforce. Search n Trakc Assets of IADS will be taken down to blind the batteries, ALBMS, ALCMS, Sows will be fired upon Iranian nation from outside Iranian borders and you will be saving Khamenei here again because you people have lost shame in cult following.



Newer Tech like 5 kowsars (F-5F with 4.0 avionics), 6 Saeghes with no avionics, 2 Yasins one of which crashed ? Or RC Qahers



Iranian IADS was surgically crippled by IAF using F-15, F-16 from Iraqi airspace. Stop spinning it into the 5th generation dogfight scenario. Nobody is entering Iran with F-35 or SU-57 when Enemy can cripple Iranians IADS or Missile launchers sites from hundreds of KM away from Iranian airspace using any attack fighters that can lift PGMs.



Stop lying, none of them were introduced as "protoypes" or "tech demonstrators". Everytime a rebuilt F-5 copy was introduced the generals standing there called it being "mass produced". They even showed assembly lines. Tech demonstrators do not have assembly lines.



BS again. IAF shat on Iranians IADS's radars and sensor sites using their 4th generation fighters. USAF did not. In any future conflict with Turkey, Azewrbaijan, PGCC. F-16, F-15, F-18, Rafales, EF2000 will repeat same story. Walk in a park for anybody with planes that can fire ALBMS or long ranged ALCMS, SOWS away from Iranian airspace. A decent IRIAF could have handled it but Mullahs killed IRIAF.

Agreed that Iranian IADs was crippled by Israel by insider agents and aeroballistic missiles.

But Regime needs Air force. If not they won't live too much. I don't know if Trump would eventually pave the way with huge secondary sanctions to Russia or even China. But IRIAF It is a key asset for Regime survival.

There is no other alternative.

 

[ShapurII]

There is defintely a need for the US/Israel, as they are the primary instigator and enabler of any attacks against Iran.
As such hitting the head of the snake (Israel), makes perfect sense.

The US will happily provide the weapons for the right price.
Iran is in an extremely vulnerable position without an air force.

 

[Arkan55]

The US will happily provide the weapons for the right price.
Iran is in an extremely vulnerable position without an air force.

I dont see how an air force would change any equations.
Iran cannot realistically acquire a large and modern airfoce, either through domestic development or foreign acquisition.
Focusing on it's ballistic missile program is a far more prudent move.

 

[BigMela2onin]

I dont see how an air force would change any equations.
Iran cannot realistically acquire a large and modern airfoce, either through domestic development or foreign acquisition.
Focusing on it's ballistic missile program is a far more prudent move.

We already see the outcome of this failed logic played out in reality. It's not worth engaging with or discussing further.

 

[Arkan55]

The US will happily provide the weapons for the right price.

Iran has been dealing with such mercenaries for years and with great success.

 

[Arkan55]

We already see the outcome of this failed logic played out in reality. It's not worth engaging with or discussing further.

Err...
It worked fine, the enemy begged for a ceasefire.

 

[ShapurII]

I dont see how an air force would change any equations.
Iran cannot realistically acquire a large and modern airfoce, either through domestic development or foreign acquisition.
Focusing on it's ballistic missile program is a far more prudent move.

Do you want to teleport your troops to defend your borders? Telekinesis, perhaps?
Maybe you want to read Ayet-el Kürsi when you're under attack?
Or do you know of some magical spell that makes your ground forces invisible to the enemy's air force?

Iran has been dealing with such mercenaries for years and with great success.

Yeah, not really. Losing Syria in 11 days is anything but great success lol