Iranian Chill Thread

[Hack-Hook]

One thing is definitely no conspiracy theory : Raisi's team booking him on a 4 decade old small Helicopter.

I read the helicopter was bought by the Shah government !

bell-212 is a 15 passenger helicopter and backbone of Iran aviation . calling it small is not fair , i believe the problem lie with mission planning until investigations show something else

 

[Hack-Hook]

I think Iranian government and sepah is infiltrated by zionists and this was an assassination. Two choppers made it out okay from the cloud, but the one where Raisi and Amirabdollahian were in was the one that crashed. Sus!

please provide evidence and stop preaching conspiracy theories .
all evidence till now suggest the chopper in zero visibility situation hit a mountain

 

[Hack-Hook]

Yeah but the other two 4 decades old choppers did okay in the same situation...

the helicopters didn't fly in a single line one is a little left , one is a little right and they are in different position. at the time for reduced visibility they decided to raise altitude so its not strange one hit mountain and two other pass it

 

[Hack-Hook]

How about the Fog that came out of nowhere ?

And and conclusion ?

nothing strange in those areas

 

[Hack-Hook]

A bit odd how the chopper of the president and FM was the one that had to go down.

was it less odd if another helicopter went down. is there a reason that certain helicopter must have less chance of going down

 

[Tehrani021]

please provide evidence and stop preaching conspiracy theories .
all evidence till now suggest the chopper in zero visibility situation hit a mountain

Please pay attettion to the discussion. User @Cancerous Tumor asked for conspiracy theories here (post #1733), btw this is the chill thread and I can speak about this if I wish. What evidence of this do you have? Have you studied the black box? Do you have released audio or flight path data? If so, please provide.

 

[Tehrani021]

was it less odd if another helicopter went down. is there a reason that certain helicopter must have less chance of going down

Yes it would be less odd. What your point? It's a bit suspect that the other two were fine but the one with the pres and FM went down.

 

[Tehrani021]

the helicopters didn't fly in a single line one is a little left , one is a little right and they are in different position. at the time for reduced visibility they decided to raise altitude so its not strange one hit mountain and two other pass it

Amazing how you speak of evidence and cry about conspiracy, yet you post nonesense like this with no evidence and pure conjecture. This is hypocritical.

 

[Cancerous Tumor]

please provide evidence and stop preaching conspiracy theories .
all evidence till now suggest the chopper in zero visibility situation hit a mountain

We were discussing realm of possibilities and conspiracies.

And I think there should be a place for these kind of discussions too since whether we like it or not the incident will have heavy impact on future of Iran.

Please pay attettion to the discussion. User @Cancerous Tumor asked for conspiracy theories here (post #1733), btw this is the chill thread and I can speak about this if I wish. What evidence of this do you have? Have you studied the black box? Do you have released audio or flight path data? If so, please provide.

I have my own conspiracy theories and/or theories too which basically can be categorized in two type :

1) Let's call it Honest mistake/s

2) Sabotage

Of which we may find and argue terms or events in favor or against each category.

For example in Honest mistake we may reach to ignoring weather forecast alert and type of choice of traveling method from airport to meeting place.

and in Sabotage category downplaying red flags of security alerts around the world.

The way i see it there are multiple (maybe more than 6 in a row) abnormalities (sometimes normal events in Iran !) and the result of it is what we saw.

 

[muhammed45]

People like @Dariush-e Bozorg keep asking, what we did after almost 40 years.

Islamic republic of Iran has done much more than enough to be proud of. But it's necessary to mention that this 40 years wasn't completely 40 years of a lala land in the middle of an peaceful ocean. We had 8 years of brutal war with Saddam backed by the whole world and years of CIA/Mossad/MI6 terrorism that we had to face with. Our neighbors are engaged with brutal wars for hundreds of years after rise of British empire of savages.

For 40 years and more British and American colonizers have done all they could to bring this nation on its knees. Their terrorism has variety of shapes, it includes drug terrorism, armed terrorism, food terrorism and any kind of savagery that western empire has already committed. The brightest example for their savagery was depriving Epidermolysis bullosa or the EB hit kids in Iran from receiving their medicine.

Iran had to be voice of the voiceless before anything else and also stand on it's own 2 feet. We have fought for 40 years, we were not living in a lala land for that period of time.

Whenever we wanted to make huge steps towards progress, western terrorism started sabotage to stop it. From nuclear program to economic plans.

So when you ask questions about this brave nation, try to think about it before making tall claims.

 

[HamidAgha]

We were discussing realm of possibilities and conspiracies.

And I think there should be a place for these kind of discussions too since whether we like it or not the incident will have heavy impact on future of Iran.


I have my own conspiracy theories and/or theories too which basically can be categorized in two type :

1) Let's call it Honest mistake/s

2) Sabotage

Of which we may find and argue terms or events in favor or against each category.

For example in Honest mistake we may reach to ignoring weather forecast alert and type of choice of traveling method from airport to meeting place.

and in Sabotage category downplaying red flags of security alerts around the world.

The way i see it there are multiple (maybe more than 6 in a row) abnormalities (sometimes normal events in Iran !) and the result of it is what we saw.

Okay, so can you explain to me how security alerts around the world would be notified if there was some kind of internal sabotage, as a result of a top level highly classified covert mission?

 

[Cancerous Tumor]

Okay, can you explain to me how security alerts around the world would be notified if there was some kind of internal sabotage, as a result of a top level highly classified covert mission?

The way I see it is that usually the security forces which have duty to design and implement security protocol of heads of states are not connected or have minimal connection to body of other armed and intelligence forces.They will surely use and process information they get from all relevant sources but at the end of the day their integrity of decision making process should be intact.

They are and should be way more sensitive to certain news around them ( either local events or regional or .. ).

They were going into a hot zone ( or near hot zone ) which few months ago was battle field between two neighboring countries of Iran and a meeting between one side of that battle.

Lack of proper action in that regards shows something ...

(before anyone jumps on Azerbaijan vs Armenia issue I should say I've more things to say )

 

[HamidAgha]

The way I see it is that usually the security forces which have duty to design and implement security protocol of heads of states are not connected or have minimal connection to body of other armed and intelligence forces.They will surely use and process information they get from all relevant sources but at the end of the day their integrity of decision making process should be intact.

They are and should be way more sensitive to certain news around them ( either local events or regional or .. ).

They were going into a hot zone ( or near hot zone ) which few months ago was battle field between two neighboring countries of Iran and a meeting between one side of that battle.

Lack of proper action in that regards shows something ...

(before anyone jumps on Azerbaijan vs Armenia issue I should say I've more things to say )

I don't think the security of another nation state will know about an internal helicopter flight unless Iranian security notfies them. They may have some idea of a SAM strike, but if it was internal sabotage then nobody will know about it unless the orcherstrators of the sabotage tell the world about it.

 

[Hack-Hook]

Yes it would be less odd. What your point? It's a bit suspect that the other two were fine but the one with the pres and FM went down.

so you suggest mr. raissi had a talisman that supposed to prevented this happens to his helicopter.
this is what likely happened

Iranian President Raisi and Foreign Minister Abdollahian die in helicopter crash in East Azerbaijan

the helicopter had 9 on board it was designed for 15 with equipment path was correct , the altitude probably not , it was bad weather and in the bad weather atmospheric pressure suddenly fall and in that situation altimeter show higher altitude. so i believe they were flying lower than what they...

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[Hack-Hook]

Amazing how you speak of evidence and cry about conspiracy, yet you post nonesense like this with no evidence and pure conjecture. This is hypocritical.

Iranian President Raisi and Foreign Minister Abdollahian die in helicopter crash in East Azerbaijan

the helicopter had 9 on board it was designed for 15 with equipment path was correct , the altitude probably not , it was bad weather and in the bad weather atmospheric pressure suddenly fall and in that situation altimeter show higher altitude. so i believe they were flying lower than what they...

defencepk.com