Iranian Chill Thread

[jauk]

Why is it hard for you to understand that there are various steps that you can take before lobbing missiles into someone's territory specially when it's a friendly country. You could have issued a demarche. Expelled Ambassador etc before restoring to missile strike. You should be pissed at whoever authorized this launch because this has dented Iran's credibility significantly without any gain.

Not so fast:

‘Credibility at stake’: Why did Iran strike inside Pakistan amid Gaza war?

Tehran’s attacks on Pakistani, Iraqi and Syrian land have only one thing in common, say analysts: a show of strength.

www.aljazeera.com

 

[Tehrani021]

Stats never lie but they are manipulated all the time.

Hope you had stats for attacks on Pakistani installations & interests in front of you when you wrote this comment.

Cooperation is already there, as much as is mutually beneficial for both parties.

Iran may have mad gheyrat but it certainly isn’t Mad.

Thankfully, all this internet fury isn’t translated into actions by people who actually matter. I suggest keyboard warriors on both sides take a chill pill and let grown ups manage strategic affairs.

The fatalities and terror attacks are verified and well documented. Denying it makes you look like a bit of a fruitcake.

Those were mainly by Balochi groups inside Pakistan. I can only recollect Kulbashan incident which came from our end.

What cooperation has there been? Sailing a few ships the other day and mountains of tea and biriyani or chelo kabab with nothing acted upon these promises? It's time to walk the walk for both states.

Agreed on the rest of what you said.

 

[Tehrani021]

It isn’t, but there are rules of engagement & strategies.

Yes you ask the other side to act, and if they don't and more people get blown up, you have to take drastic measures. Rules of engagement also mean when a neighbour is getting their people blown up and are pleading for decades for action, then they should act with their superior military and take out these terrorists which a lowly country like Iran can fly drones over in broad day light.

 

[Tehrani021]

Why is it hard for you to understand that there are various steps that you can take before lobbing missiles into someone's territory specially when it's a friendly country. You could have issued a demarche. Expelled Ambassador etc before restoring to missile strike. You should be pissed at whoever authorized this launch because this has dented Iran's credibility significantly without any gain.

I think Iran exhausting channels for decades and begging shamelessly to Pakistan while our people get blown up or shot was enough steps that Iran tried to take. Iran obviously felt that it shouldn't have degrade relations over something that both countries ought to be cooperating over. Dont try to pull the wool over my eyes that people would have been happy with BM attack after a warning or expelling of diplomats. Iran's credibility is not measured by what others think, but by how safe it keeps its people.

 

[ThunderCat]

The stats don't lie. The terrorists coming from your end have been more frequent and deadlier, as though theyre getting weapons, uniform and elite training along with pinpoint intelligence. We're not dumb, we see what's happening here. They serve no purpose for Iran at all, but they do for Pakistan being a US ally and engaged in sectarianism. Stop looking for excuses not to cooperate because this will happen again. Iran has some mad gheyrat when it comes to our people getting killed by terrorists.

Did you forget to count all the Iranian backed terrorists in Pakistan and the Middle East?

 

[randompk]

I think Iran exhausting channels for decades and begging shamelessly to Pakistan while our people get blown up or shot was enough steps that Iran tried to take. Iran obviously felt that it shouldn't have degrade relations over something that both countries ought to be cooperating over. Dont try to pull the wool over my eyes that people would have been happy with BM attack after a warning or expelling of diplomats. Iran's credibility is not measured by what others think, but by how safe it keeps its people.

Let's agree to disagree. BM strikes would have been unacceptable in any case as you can see Pakistan has clearly responded and ensured that this is never repeated again and Pakistan would respond back in future too if it needs to. Ball is in Iran's court now and it is clear Iran has backed off after getting stuck inside it's territory after 30 years. So basically Pakistan has shown Iran it's place and it seems to have worked. You can continue to pretend here that Iran is some super duper power which can strike unilaterally across the globe.

 

[Tehrani021]

Did you forget to count all the Iranian backed terrorists in Pakistan and the Middle East?

They're not terrorists, but fighting against western backed terrorism. This narrative won't change from our end. There are no Iran backed terrorists in Pakistan!

 

[Tehrani021]

Let's agree to disagree. BM strikes would have been unacceptable in any case as you can see Pakistan has clearly responded and ensured that this is never repeated again and Pakistan would respond back in future too if it needs to. Ball is in Iran's court now and it is clear Iran has backed off after getting stuck inside it's territory after 30 years. So basically Pakistan has shown Iran it's place and it seems to have worked.

See proving my point that you're talking waffle! For you, Iran should do nothing and just keep begging Pakistan to act. So in a way, I'm glad Iran did this and we are seeing some noise of commitment from
Pakistan to cooperate. They will be judged by their action though and this will repeat if more Iranians die from your side! Ball is not in Iranian court as IRGC who sent the missiles were not targetted.

 

[Kharral]

The fatalities and terror attacks are verified and well documented. Denying it makes you look like a bit of a fruitcake.

Those were mainly by Balochi groups inside Pakistan. I can only recollect Kulbashan incident which came from our end.

What cooperation has there been? Sailing a few ships the other day and mountains of tea and biriyani or chelo kabab with nothing acted upon these promises? It's time to walk the walk for both states.

Agreed on the rest of what you said.

Name calling isn’t going to make your argument any stronger.

Not only have there been well documented large scale attacks on LeA & civil installations, there has also been a very strong connection to criminal gangs & mafias in Pakistans biggest city Karachi from Iran based/connected baloch residents.

Stop acting like a Bollywood influenced Indian & see the other side of the coin too.

 

[Tehrani021]

Name calling isn’t going to make your argument any stronger.

Not only have there been well documented large scale attacks on LeA & civil installations, there has also been a very strong connection to criminal gangs & mafias in Pakistans biggest city Karachi from Iran based/connected baloch residents.

Stop acting like a Bollywood influenced Indian & see the other side of the coin too.

The facts remain whatever I call you.

Iran based and Iran-backed are two VERY different things. Pulling the wool over my eyes by blurring the lines is a futile endeavour. Iran has taken many dead from internal operations in Sistan, so we dont need lectures from you about that.

The murder of our police and civilians from terrorists that come from your side are red lines and not bollywood! The other side of the coin is corruption, turning a blind eye to terrorists and ignoring a neighbours call to act on what is your responsibility.

 

[Kharral]

Yes you ask the other side to act, and if they don't and more people get blown up, you have to take drastic measures. Rules of engagement also mean when a neighbour is getting their people blown up and are pleading for decades for action, then they should act with their superior military and take out these terrorists which a lowly country like Iran can fly drones over in broad day light.

There are thousands upon thousands of Pakistani citizens who have joined IRGC led militias, you don’t see the State of Pakistan clamping down on them.

Why do you think that is ? It’s definitely not due to inability on Army or LeAs part. They exist because the State of Pakistan & IRI cooperate & have a strategy for goals & interests that one or the other party can’t deal or support openly & directly for one or the other reason.

As I said, IRI & PAK establishments are no novices. There are costs to pay for the great Game, Pak establishment has managed its society pretty well until recently to be willing and accepting of those loses.

However, there are a lot of IRI citizens who for some reason ( I can only pin it down to historic sense of Persian superiority) aren’t willing to recongnise those costs.

If I had one advice to give to a certain segment of Iranian society then it would be to stop Nagging & see a difference between confidence & hubris.

 

[PakAl]

That is a pathetic excuse to allow terrorists to carry on. How would fighting terrorists upset a nation? And why would that even be a consideration for Pakistan! Iran wouldn't hesitate to clear these out regardless of who has relations with who. Dude, IRGC has flown many drones in Pakistan and seen, in broad day light, these terrorists training! Your superior army should gave enough gheyrat and vision to see them and act!

Go cry me a river. This is my last post as the mods are requesting us not to post. That is not an excuse but I am trying to work out how the terrorists still operate, if your so professional at dealing with terrorism then secure your side of the border, don't even allow a bird to enter but you have failed aswel, Pakistan has also faced terrorism and faced failures, alot more than Iran via India RAW who train the rebels, we also have intelligence.

 

[PakAl]

Why is it hard for you to understand that there are various steps that you can take before lobbing missiles into someone's territory specially when it's a friendly country.

He can't understand because he joined the forum after Pakistan attack on Iran. He thinks Indians are so intelligent that they can cause ill feelings between the brotherly nations of Iran and Pakistan. @mods watch this guy in disguise.

 

[Tehrani021]

There are thousands upon thousands of Pakistani citizens who have joined IRGC led militias, you don’t see the State of Pakistan clamping down on them.

Why do you think that is ? It’s definitely not due to inability on Army or LeAs part. They exist because the State of Pakistan & IRI cooperate & have a strategy for goals & interests that one or the other party can’t deal or support openly & directly for one or the other reason.

As I said, IRI & PAK establishments are no novices. There are costs to pay for the great Game, Pak establishment has managed its society pretty well until recently to be willing and accepting of those loses.

However, there are a lot of IRI citizens who for some reason ( I can only pin it down to historic sense of Persian superiority) aren’t willing to recongnise those costs.

If I had one advice to give to a certain segment of Iranian society then it would be to stop Nagging & see a difference between confidence & hubris.

This is simply not true. The only time Iran has influenced groups in Pakistan are Shia ones which have never attacked Pakistani establishment or police, rather have helped Pakistan fight terrorists. So ungrateful! That's why Pakistan hasnt acted.

However Pakistan does not act on its side against terrorists because of corruption and influence from US who is using Pakistan to fight a proxy war with Iran. This is unacceptable and not what I would call cooperation.

In terms of cooperation against fighting terrorists the evidence is clear they are worse than novices, its non-existant. Allowing terrorists to flourish in your lands is generally considered the polar opposite of a well run society, seems you have low standards.

What the hell is this great game? Appeasing US to kill Iranians in a proxy war? No Iranians will never accept these costs and it is hypocrisy for you to demand us to accept these costs when you couldn't handle a couple of missiles landing in Balochi Pakistan! Pot calling the kettle black!

Not only will we not stop nagging but will begin to act more decisively. All Iran needs is a better airforce which it will have once the Su-35s comes and our secret nuke weapons program carries pace.

 

[Tehrani021]

Go cry me a river. This is my last post as the mods are requesting us not to post. That is not an excuse but I am trying to work out how the terrorists still operate, if your so professional at dealing with terrorism then secure your side of the border, don't even allow a bird to enter but you have failed aswel, Pakistan has also faced terrorism and faced failures, alot more than Iran via India RAW who train the rebels, we also have intelligence.

Terrorists coming from your side of the border is YOUR responsibility.