Immortals
Elite Member
The problem with this thinking is the core issue in Iranian mentality. Iran should have started war with Israel and the US over what? and more importantly with what? We are a sanctioned country with a regional power military capability that gives us an edge regionally but our adversary in this case would have been global warlords who technically own the entire resources of Western world and all the satellite basecamps surrounding us. Forget Jewish trillions, AIPAC, NATO, EU, US military machines all running to aid Israel in an all out war with Iran, we are surrounded by bankrupt and torn islamic countries being run on Anglo-Jew debts. We saw what this kind of western control can achieve over these debted countries with how US-Israel used Turkey to topple Assad. You want Iran to fight with regional slaves of west and entire west over likes of Mishal and Sinwar who wanted to fight Iran in name of sect just 10 years ago?
Just 9 months ago you had protestors in every major city in U.S. and Europe protesting against Israel. You had universities overrun by student protestors. You countries breaking ties with Israel. You had Arab leaders feeling nervous because they were complicit in genocide. You even had Russia talking bad about Israel and China. You had Americans in uproar because 7 U.S. aid workers were deliberating bombed by Israel. They bombed your damn embassy which is an act of war! What more excuse did you need?
You built the Islamic Republic on Al-Quds and its liberation. You had a chance to go in front of the UN and declare that genocide would not be allowed against Muslims. That the world used to stand against this. You would declare until Israel halts its genocide that you declare war on Israel for genocide and for war crimes against the Iranian nation. financial markets would go into haywire, oil prices would shoot up. Arab leaders would be put on the spot by their societies to also at least do supportive actions like not selling oil to countries that sell weapons to Israel. Erdogan would try to 1UP iran. You underestimate what momentum can do in highly tense situation.
And guess what would happen if you call Americans and Israel at their bluff of total war? You would get everyone trying to scramble to get a ceasefire, YOU WOULD CREATE AN INCENTIVE. A Sense of URGENCY.
The world couldn’t have afforded a war where the Middle East is in flames. Oil would be at $200 a barrel and economies would be crashing. Everyone would blame Israel for creating that scenario by committing genocide.
You would have the whole world put pressure on Europeans and Americans to finally say a two state solution is needed, enough is enough. Then during those ceasefires you would put non aggression pact with Israel on table alongside nuclear reduction for FULL normalization with West and a Palestinian state. Iran would be the damn hero in the Muslim world for rest of time. Then our country would finally also be free of this Zionist bullshit and the issue of Palestine since if the Gazans get a state then Iran can be done with it.
Instead Syrians now curse Iran, Lebanese now curse Iran, Gazans now curse Iran. Israel has distracted the Muslims with sectarianism and used its Takfiri brothers who by the end of 2018 were on life support in Syria btw.
Hamas, HZ, Syrian resistance groups all got destroyed because they were tied to Iran. Assad lost his country because he sided with Iran. Israel was willing to give him back the Golan in late 2000’s for a peace treaty. Did you know that? You know The same Golan that years later was discovered with a boat load of natural gas, that would change Syrian economy. Syria could have build itself to rival Turkey.
“Oh but Immortal you are so naive, the west would have overthrown Assad if he did it”.
Remind me what ended up happening today by siding with Iran?
When I criticized our FM, Nasrallah, and our incompetence would come to haunt us that Israel would attack Iran, and destroy the Axis groups. I was called a Zionist and said everything is amazing and Israel is weakened! LOL. By the more rational people they defended Iran and said “what can Iran do? It’s too dangerous”
Remind me what happened? Everything Iran tried to avoid thru “strategic patience” ended up happening.
Strategic patience to watch 300+ air strikes on Iranian personnel in Syria for a decade
Strategic patience to watch Hamas and Hezbollah get destroyed
Strategic patience to watch our Embassy get attacked in April 2024 by Israel, and banner of Solemani and Nasrallah to be ripped off it by Takfiri terrorists last night.
Strategic patience to watch every Senior Commander tied to the Resistance get assassinated
Strategic patience to watch Syria fall to Turkey and Israel after a 15 year investment by Iran.
They could have ended IRI but they did not, Israel could have gone after oil terminals or nuclear infrastructure but despite getting kicked in nuts by IRGCAF during TP2, they did not. US refused to take part in Israeli stunt.
Kicked in nuts? Come on, They took out Nasrallah and another IRGC commander and you fired some rockets.
Since 2020 they wiped out the entire IRGC commander architecture that was responsible for developing AoR including those that built Hezbollah itself. They killed all the HZ founding members. Bragging that Israel did not cause Cherynbol in Iran is wild.
Israel was never going to attack nuclear program, because they were winning! They were working on bringing down Syria with Turkey.
The program is a joke. 20 years playing chicken with the Jews and Anglo Saxons. The only reason program existed was because Iran thought Saddam would detonate the bomb by 1998. And then use it on Iran just like he used chemical weapons. In 2003, seeing saddam fallen, Iran was ready to give away its entire program and begged the West to allow just 100 centrifuges so scientists could study and learn. You know who negotiated that? Rouhani! As part of Khatami presidency.
Everyone signed off on it, but Bush and Neocons were too stupid to accept a face saving deal! They were high on momentum of kicking Taliban and Iraqi ass. The entire program exists today because of American hubris!
. Before trump even enters oval office, Iran is already a pseudo-nuclear armed with enough WGU to scare these people to not touch Iran FOR NOW. Make no mistake they will go for Iranian jugular in time. Our strategic retreat, the nuclear threat has bought Iran time to secure itself internally. IRGC should get rid of anti war dove Khamenei and replace him with someone younger and nationalistic minded, they should modernize Iranian military, deal with Baloch, Kurdish problem ... this arab ass saving has given us nothing. A war with global warlords would have destroyed Iran.
Nukes don’t mean shit. Look at Russia getting smacked around by NATO. Look at North Korea who outside of the few fancy toys in the military, is still stuck in 1960 and its people routinely die of famine.
No one is scared of nukes, Especially from the country that took 400 air strikes to the face, Embassy blown up, nuclear faculties blown up (3-4 times), Generals killed, nuclear scientists killed. Only to sit and say “strategic patience” and “we don’t want war”.
You know why Assad fell in less than 2 weeks? Because he had no economy. 90% of the country lived in poverty. In Northern Syria they used the Turkish Lira because Syrian currency was worthless. Arab Monarchs wouldnt help with reconstruction aid without strings attached. Europeans wouldn’t either. Americans wouldn’t either. The Cesar sanctions killed Syria.
There was no prospect of improvement. Iran couldn’t fix Syrian economy, its broke. Russia couldn’t fix Syrian economy, it doesn’t have the money either.
The solution was simple, Assad had to go.
Nukes don’t fix the Iranian economy, when I was in Iran, people dig thru dumpsters every night. Not one or two people, i mean it’s basically a profession. Every neighborhood at night the dumpster has people going thru it.
The bazaaris are pissed off, Iran has raised income taxes on everybody. Routinely cracks down “banned goods” like imported foreign brands. 10 years ago income tax was non existent in Iran, now the government is hustling the business owners and people for extra income. Toman is now 72,000! In Iraq some places won’t even accept Iranian currency!
And during all this crap past 2 weeks they managed to pass new Hijab Law! You can’t make this shit up!
Iranians aren’t North Koreans. They won’t sit around and eat grass and starve, while IRGC and Khamenai decide to play games with the West.
It’s been 21 years, either build the nuke or make the Damn deal. 2025 the decision will have to be made, one way or another.




