tsunset
The Legend
I use the same rhetoric that was being spammed by Pak/Israelis/Americans
USA and Israel strikes everything but Iran and thinks assassinations will somehow make the resistance crumble
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USA and Israel strikes everything but Iran and thinks assassinations will somehow make the resistance crumble
Persian Gulf
INT'L MOD
the difference is Israel directly strikes and kills Iranians
Iran does not directly strike and kill Americans or Israelis (for better or for worse)
tsunset
The Legend
They refer it as an Iraqi base simply for the sake of legal words, this is an American base where mercenaries, Americans and pro-USA Iraqis are stationed, same as how they claim their embassies to be US land
Iraq fired them in complete desperation while being crushed by NATO and when Israel didn't had decent air defenses to intercept BMs, U.S was relying on old Patriots which showed to fail against any BMs
Tehrani021
Registered Member
Well Iran has been directly killing Mossad in Erbil, and I can't think of anywhere else in neighbouring nations the IDF has troops or advisors. And as we discussed Soleimani has helped many US soldiers enter the barzakh, although it may not be direct enough. We have to accept that Iran isn't as strong as its adversary, so it cant resist toe to toe.
Tehrani021
Registered Member
Partly true, but US didnt respond to Iran whereas Iraq got destroyed so it is a bit misleading to say the two situations are identical.
tsunset
The Legend
You are being duped by the Israeli military censorship apparatus, Israel never admits their loss, their commanders and officers are getting sniped at a weekly basis by Iranian designed weapons
Israel and the US never struck inside Iran with airstrikes/force since the end of the war beside one suicide operation
Israel strikes everything but Iran
USA strikes everything but Iran
Iran strikes everything but both
Now I'm waiting how nearly a thousand of Israeli soldiers got killed only because of Palestinian muscles and 200iq to plan and make weapons, on how Ansarallah manages to nearly block the Red Sea from Israeli affiliated ships and US admitting they have no clue where they are doing airstrikes
This is the result of military censorship since the creation of the Jewish state, believe whatever they say that no one died that they were all innocent Kurdish businessmen, that there are no Mossad base inside Iraq and no Israel that everything is alright for the Jewish state
tsunset
The Legend
Full diplomatic ties restored with Pakistan
www.tasnimnews.com
www.tasnimnews.com
Iran, Pakistan Have Solid Ties: Spokesman - Politics news - Tasnim News Agency
TEHRAN (Tasnim) – Describing Iran’s recent attack on the base of terrorists at a border area on Pakistani soil as a response to an immediate threat, the Iranian Foreign Ministry’s spokesperson said the two neighbors enjoy strong and brotherly relations and respect each other’s sovereignty.
Envoys of Iran, Pakistan to Resume Missions in Days - Politics news - Tasnim News Agency
TEHRAN (Tasnim) – Iran and Pakistan have agreed to resume full diplomatic relations after the settlement of a squabble over the recent reciprocal attacks on the border areas.
Hack-Hook
INT'L MOD
دعوای زرگریFull diplomatic ties restored with Pakistan
Iran, Pakistan Have Solid Ties: Spokesman - Politics news - Tasnim News Agency
TEHRAN (Tasnim) – Describing Iran’s recent attack on the base of terrorists at a border area on Pakistani soil as a response to an immediate threat, the Iranian Foreign Ministry’s spokesperson said the two neighbors enjoy strong and brotherly relations and respect each other’s sovereignty.Envoys of Iran, Pakistan to Resume Missions in Days - Politics news - Tasnim News Agency
TEHRAN (Tasnim) – Iran and Pakistan have agreed to resume full diplomatic relations after the settlement of a squabble over the recent reciprocal attacks on the border areas.
ّ I bet both side were aware from the operation from start and all action and reaction previously decided upon
Flames In The Desert
Registered Member
9 Lessons from Iranian and Houthi Attacks on Ships in the Red Sea
In the past couple of years has seen a profusion of these designs, all appearing to leverage the same seeker. The largest and likely most sophisticated is the Raad-500 type which the Houthis call Tankil, while the Bahr al-Ahmar is barely wider than the seeker. Range and warhead vary but all present a real threat. The smaller ones will likely be cheaper and easier to hide, but still have adequate range of the engagements in the Red Sea.
Their usefulness against warships is likely to be very limited but against unarmed merchant ships they are a real concern. Various OWA-UAVs are being used by the Houthis against ships. Many miss or get shot down, but they are likely to get better.
This also implies that if the Houthis hit a Russian or Chinese ship in the Red Sea, they meant to do so.
Warships are however smaller and have more critical parts in close proximity. As a trade off, they are expected to have better defenses and damage control should the worst happen.
Even today few warships have defenses against ASBMs. For many navies the implementation of this capability is progressing much slower than the threat is proliferating.
Warships also need to intercept missiles aimed at other ships. This stretches engagement envelopes and magazines.
The latest strikes, which target missiles before they can be launched, are probably more useful. But they cannot be expected to catch every launch, and the Houthis can modify their methods to reduce the risks. For example, launching ASBMs from deep inland.
So far, no ships have been sunk. Possibly this is because they are trying not to. There are at least indications of weapons and tactics designed to reduce the risk of sinking the targeted ship. This suggests that their goals are being met merely by presenting a credible threat.
It seems likely that they may try to sink warships however. And the Iranian technology is, in principle, able to achieve it.
There are still several capabilities that Iran is believed to have, but which haven’t been used. And Iran and the Houthis can become more effective at these strikes if they learn from them. And there’s every indication that they will. This conflict appears far from over, and the next surprise could be as soon as tomorrow.
Dramatic attacks on ships in the Red Sea, Arabian Sea and Gulf of Aden have gained world attention. Here are nine observations.H I Sutton 22 Jan 2024
Attacks on merchant ships and warships in the Red Sea and surrounding waters are ongoing. Most of the attacks have been by the Houthi Movement in Yemen, but some can be attributed directly to Iran. And there is no reasonable doubt that Iran is assisting the Houthis. So far no ship has been sunk, although several have been hit and the impact on global shipping has been substantial. It is too soon to draw conclusive lessons, but some observations can be made.1. Modular anti-ship ballistic missiles
Iran developed an anti-ship version of their Fatah-110 ballistic missile over 10 years ago. This involved fitting an electro-optical /infrared seeker. The missiles are smaller, slower and shorter ranged than their Chinese equivalents, but still potent.In the past couple of years has seen a profusion of these designs, all appearing to leverage the same seeker. The largest and likely most sophisticated is the Raad-500 type which the Houthis call Tankil, while the Bahr al-Ahmar is barely wider than the seeker. Range and warhead vary but all present a real threat. The smaller ones will likely be cheaper and easier to hide, but still have adequate range of the engagements in the Red Sea.
2. Low cost simplified cruise missiles
Iran was able to reverse the Russian Kh-55 (AS-15 KENT) air launched cruise missile. Following this a simplified and scaled down version was built which could use a commercial turbojet engine similar to those in model aircraft. This design was supplied to the Houthis and may also now be in Iranian inventories. Essentially it gives the Houthis a very low cost long ranged land attack capability, but with a smaller warhead. And as to be expected in the Houthi arsenal, there is an anti-ship version. This approach is different from Western countries which tend to buy very few, yet expensive, cruise missiles.3. Use of drones against ships
The Shahed one-way attack drone (OWA-UAV) has shown its usefulness in Ukraine. Individually they are relatively easy to shoot down, yet they are too dangerous to ignore so they stretch defenses. Generally they have been perceived as only being useful against fixed targets. But Iran has demonstrated that they can also hit ships at incredible ranges. At least two ships have been hit, one at extreme range.Their usefulness against warships is likely to be very limited but against unarmed merchant ships they are a real concern. Various OWA-UAVs are being used by the Houthis against ships. Many miss or get shot down, but they are likely to get better.
4. Even ‘dark ships’ can be seen
Ships which do not transmit their location on AIS (automated identification system) are harder to locate and identify. This is particularly true for people relying on open-source intelligence (OSINT). But the effectiveness of ‘going dark’ against a determined adversary with eyes on the water, and various sophisticated means, is limited. Ships cannot easily hide their presence in the shipping lanes.This also implies that if the Houthis hit a Russian or Chinese ship in the Red Sea, they meant to do so.
5. Merchant ships are highly survivable, and missiles rarely sink ships
Modern merchant ships are built with survivability in mind. Perhaps not against these threats, but certainly in a way which makes them hard to sink. And their layout, with the superstructure well aft of their center of mass (where missiles typically aim), means most hits are where the cargo is. There is still a significant risk if they are hit by missiles, but in practice few if any will be sunk.Warships are however smaller and have more critical parts in close proximity. As a trade off, they are expected to have better defenses and damage control should the worst happen.
6. The importance of Air Defense for naval vessels
Warships are threatened by sustained multi-vector attacks with drones, sea skimming missiles and ASBMs. Many, maybe most, warships are too lightly defended to operate in this threat environment.Even today few warships have defenses against ASBMs. For many navies the implementation of this capability is progressing much slower than the threat is proliferating.
Warships also need to intercept missiles aimed at other ships. This stretches engagement envelopes and magazines.
7. Deterrence is of limited use against an antagonist with little to lose
When the attacks begun there were calls for Western countries to take military action against the Houthis. Many observers expected Tomahawks at dawn, and were frustrated when strikes took months to materialize. But many observers were unsure that strikes would make much difference. And as we have seen, the attacks continue.The latest strikes, which target missiles before they can be launched, are probably more useful. But they cannot be expected to catch every launch, and the Houthis can modify their methods to reduce the risks. For example, launching ASBMs from deep inland.
8. Don’t Underestimate Iranian Technology
Iran is capable of innovation, and of developing effective and smart weapons, particularly in the asymmetric arena. Credit where credit is due. There are some serious threats hidden behind the hype and grandiose claims.So far, no ships have been sunk. Possibly this is because they are trying not to. There are at least indications of weapons and tactics designed to reduce the risk of sinking the targeted ship. This suggests that their goals are being met merely by presenting a credible threat.
It seems likely that they may try to sink warships however. And the Iranian technology is, in principle, able to achieve it.
9. It is hard to predict the future
Few would have imagined that the first use of ASBMs would be by the Houthi Movement in the Red Sea.There are still several capabilities that Iran is believed to have, but which haven’t been used. And Iran and the Houthis can become more effective at these strikes if they learn from them. And there’s every indication that they will. This conflict appears far from over, and the next surprise could be as soon as tomorrow.
925boy
Elite Member
If US was actually in touch with the reality that it loses most modern wars, why does it enter them knowing the disaster that awaits it at the end of the conflict?
US fighting wars =/= US winning wars.
925boy
Elite Member
i agree with you that US has been lying about some military realities recently.
US lied that It intercepted all houthis drones and missiles fired at Israel (Eilat especially)- not true.
US lied that 70 soldiers had "traumatic brain injury" from recent strikes on its bases in Syria or Iraq- not true.
US lied a PMC contractor had a heart attack when a BM attack attacked the Iraqi base some months ago- that's not true, the PMC was killed from the rocket attack.
US said those 2 navy SEALS were "lost" at sea while boarding a dhow with Iranian weapons - not true, they were likely killed by the Houthis.
US has also been lying to Americans about troop deaths, because it isn't being honest with the American people about the death (and # of deaths) of its troops (probably because Americans will ask why were those soldiers there?).
Persian Gulf
INT'L MOD
USA achieves military objectives halfway across the world with an ease not displayed by any other country in modern history
they wiped out Saddam regime in 1 month (Iran could not do it in 8 years, albeit in radically different circumstances as most of the world supported Saddam's regime against post-revolutionary Iran)
they removed Taliban from power in 2 months (Soviets could not do it in 9 years)
strategically these led to unforeseen consequences that were bad for USA, but let's not kid ourselves that they lost these wars in any tactical military sense. the only war they lost is the Vietnam War
tsunset
The Legend
They didn't wiped Saddam regime in 1991, nearly half of the world also came with the US and 5000 soldiers were killed after 2003, also their 1991 ops didn't involved help from the crumbling USSR and China and were threatening to nuke Iraq
No, Iraq didn't had the best army in the world like Saddam shills says, it consisted of Type-55 tanks and primer T-72 with scuds
Soviets were facing massive US backed Bin Laden, US was facing insurgents without any real threat
They gave Iraq, Lebanon to Iran, and lost everything but Israel and oil stealing bases in Syria and Iraq which are constantly under attack
Like another user was trying to say, no, Houthis last attack was just some hour ago, US is a loser both economically and geopolitically,most business abandonned ships to traverse the Red Sea
US navy could face its first ship sunk since a very long time if Houthis wanted to do it, and i smell this could happen in the coming weeks
This is a grave mistake to think we are still in 1990
