Iranian Missiles | News and Discussions

Flotilla said:
I am really confused. I asked AI if Fattah-2 missile program have been cancelled and the answer is clear, no.

Moreover there are tens of news after 12 days war that are indicating that they were tested succefully in combat and even some other new missiles non tested during that time are ready to be used (something that I give strong credibility because high ranks IRGC have repeatedly talk about It).

But, does anyone more credible sources or some evidences about real status of Fattah-2?

wanaen.com

Why Did Israel Fail to Intercept “Fattah-2”? - WANA

Iran’s hypersonic missile Fattah-2 has become one of the most hotly debated security topics in the Middle East. The key question for...
wanaen.com wanaen.com

And this very clear message in Telegram.

To view this content we will need your consent to set third party cookies.
For more detailed information, see our cookies page.



🚫این پیشرفت‌ها نشان می‌دهد که ایران هم‌اکنون دانش فنی لازم برای طراحی و تولید موشک‌های با برد بیش از ۵۵۰۰ کیلومتر را دارد. وجود مراکز تحقیقاتی و صنعتی در حوزه‌های فضایی و نظامی نیز دلالت بر ظرفیت تولید انبوه چنین سامانه‌هایی دارد. ( کارگروه توسعه موشک های دوربرد تشکیل شده در هوافضای سپاه در سال 98 )

🚀 بنابراین، با توجه به توسعه فناوری‌های موشکی و فضایی، ایران توان فنی و صنعتی قابل توجهی برای ساخت موشک‌های قاره‌پیما دارد؛ هرچند اطلاعات رسمی درباره وجود عملیاتی موشک‌های ICBM در دست نیست و معمولاً از سوی ایران با نگاه دفاعی و بازدارنده مطرح می‌شود. فعلا سیاست نظام این است که در اینبارهء تصمیم شفاف نگیرد و البته بعد از جنگ 12 روزه مقامات غربی و عبری بسیاری دربارهء خطر موشک های قاره پیمای ایران سخن گفتند، لیک این خبر را به شما می دهم که " کوثر " با نام دیگری تا قبل از جنگ مراحل خوبی را پیش رفته بود.
Click to expand...


Fattah-1 was used, its the hypersonic MaRVed missile.

Fattah-2 is an HGV on same booster of Fattah-1. Its has not been deployed or tested as far as I know. Someone posted a news that it has been cancelled in favor of Fattah-3 project.

Fattah-3 could be a bunker buster Hypersonic missile, basically a non-MaRVed/bunker buster warheaded Fattah-1 to take out hardened targets. Khamenei was shown such RV recently.
 
With Hajizadeh gone, will the IRGCASF doctrine change from slim, precise fast solid fueled MRBMs to powerful IRBMisque heavy punchers like Sejjil II or K4, remains to be seen.

Tehrani Moghaddam never led IRGCASF but he was the brain behind the force before his death and rise of Hajizadeh. Moghaddam's work led to development of Sejjil-II which came as a surprise 2 decades back. No one would have expected Iran to develop a multistaged solid fueled borderline IRBM. It had no resemblance to any missile in the world. Exo+Endo atmospheric maneuvering Ghadr project was also his work.

Since then, Hajizadeh focused on first quasi ballistic hyper accurate MaRVs for precision strikes, AShBM roles. He later moved towards skip glide missiles like Kheybar Shikan or hypersonics like Fattah. During his tenure, only longer range "annihilator" entry was K-4.

New commanders must have learnt from the war. It would be quite interesting to see what route they take from here on, because this is an established and war hardened large force, not a new group in making by any means.
 
Last edited:
Khansaheeb said:
Iran is weaponising fast:

To view this content we will need your consent to set third party cookies.
For more detailed information, see our cookies page.
Click to expand...

The link to 'Operation 2000 missiles ... posted by Marshal X make for some interesting reading, and may even have suggested a different form of deterrence when 'smaller' nations are attacked by NWS's.

I have previously noted that a massive response to aggressors by conventional means, a non-nuclear MAD if you will, instead of a world-crippling nuclear MAD, would only make for common sense, while still retaining that N - 'MAD' threat.

This seems to have been illustrated during the Iran-Israel 12-day war. Why then has minimum images of Israeli and Iranian hits emerged? The Israeli's by their ALBM's and other means (Air Force – SOW’s?) and the Iranians by their missiles - especially the hyper-sonics.

The suggestion emerging from this is that the 'Iron Dome' and other (US?) ABM defenses can, and were, penetrated by various Iranian missiles.

Compare current or possible large vs small conflicts.

Since early 2022, to date, Russia had experienced serious pushback because Ukraine were supplied with convential arms by the US and from elsewhere – particularly NATO countries.

Even now, Ukraine is still in the fight, even contemplating the purchase of Rafael’s from France. I think that a substantial number of JAS-39 Gripens were also in the mix here somewhere.

Next, China and Taiwan. If the US is severely impeded by serious internal factors such as sectarian violence etc, then China might grasp the opportunity to invade Taiwan. BTW, the UK probably does not know, or do not wish to know, that it also is ripe for such internal violence. And therefore in a lessor position to help Taiwan, which is on the other side of the world.

Absent substantial US assistance and massive arms infusions to Taiwan, I wonder if it will be able to emulate Ukraine? Remember that Ukraine is geographically situated near to Western Europe, Taiwan is not.

Getting to those ‘2000’ missiles now. This is probably just a number put out there to sow deep concern or, the total number of missiles it deems necessary to inflict massive damage to strategic and civilian infrastructure. Of course, no sane person can really expect a country to launch all of these within a tight timeframe.

Israel would of course have done its own calculation viz-a-viz Iran’s strategic and civilian infrastructure.

The end result: - mutual conventional MAD.

Piet
 
Piet said:
The link to 'Operation 2000 missiles ... posted by Marshal X make for some interesting reading, and may even have suggested a different form of deterrence when 'smaller' nations are attacked by NWS's.

I have previously noted that a massive response to aggressors by conventional means, a non-nuclear MAD if you will, instead of a world-crippling nuclear MAD, would only make for common sense, while still retaining that N - 'MAD' threat.

This seems to have been illustrated during the Iran-Israel 12-day war. Why then has minimum images of Israeli and Iranian hits emerged? The Israeli's by their ALBM's and other means (Air Force – SOW’s?) and the Iranians by their missiles - especially the hyper-sonics.

The suggestion emerging from this is that the 'Iron Dome' and other (US?) ABM defenses can, and were, penetrated by various Iranian missiles.

Compare current or possible large vs small conflicts.

Since early 2022, to date, Russia had experienced serious pushback because Ukraine were supplied with convential arms by the US and from elsewhere – particularly NATO countries.

Even now, Ukraine is still in the fight, even contemplating the purchase of Rafael’s from France. I think that a substantial number of JAS-39 Gripens were also in the mix here somewhere.

Next, China and Taiwan. If the US is severely impeded by serious internal factors such as sectarian violence etc, then China might grasp the opportunity to invade Taiwan. BTW, the UK probably does not know, or do not wish to know, that it also is ripe for such internal violence. And therefore in a lessor position to help Taiwan, which is on the other side of the world.

Absent substantial US assistance and massive arms infusions to Taiwan, I wonder if it will be able to emulate Ukraine? Remember that Ukraine is geographically situated near to Western Europe, Taiwan is not.

Getting to those ‘2000’ missiles now. This is probably just a number put out there to sow deep concern or, the total number of missiles it deems necessary to inflict massive damage to strategic and civilian infrastructure. Of course, no sane person can really expect a country to launch all of these within a tight timeframe.

Israel would of course have done its own calculation viz-a-viz Iran’s strategic and civilian infrastructure.

The end result: - mutual conventional MAD.

Piet
Click to expand...

Iranian Missile doctrine of entrenched missile forces that keep on messing enemy infrastructure, is shaping a new rather lethal conventional doctrine of staying below nuclear threshold but keep up the planned crippling of enemy.

I am feeling many countries will focus on more budget to Missile corps now instead of conventional Airforces which in a long conflict become vulnerable.
 
Piet said:
The link to 'Operation 2000 missiles ... posted by Marshal X make for some interesting reading, and may even have suggested a different form of deterrence when 'smaller' nations are attacked by NWS's.

I have previously noted that a massive response to aggressors by conventional means, a non-nuclear MAD if you will, instead of a world-crippling nuclear MAD, would only make for common sense, while still retaining that N - 'MAD' threat.

This seems to have been illustrated during the Iran-Israel 12-day war. Why then has minimum images of Israeli and Iranian hits emerged? The Israeli's by their ALBM's and other means (Air Force – SOW’s?) and the Iranians by their missiles - especially the hyper-sonics.

The suggestion emerging from this is that the 'Iron Dome' and other (US?) ABM defenses can, and were, penetrated by various Iranian missiles.

Compare current or possible large vs small conflicts.

Since early 2022, to date, Russia had experienced serious pushback because Ukraine were supplied with convential arms by the US and from elsewhere – particularly NATO countries.

Even now, Ukraine is still in the fight, even contemplating the purchase of Rafael’s from France. I think that a substantial number of JAS-39 Gripens were also in the mix here somewhere.

Next, China and Taiwan. If the US is severely impeded by serious internal factors such as sectarian violence etc, then China might grasp the opportunity to invade Taiwan. BTW, the UK probably does not know, or do not wish to know, that it also is ripe for such internal violence. And therefore in a lessor position to help Taiwan, which is on the other side of the world.

Absent substantial US assistance and massive arms infusions to Taiwan, I wonder if it will be able to emulate Ukraine? Remember that Ukraine is geographically situated near to Western Europe, Taiwan is not.

Getting to those ‘2000’ missiles now. This is probably just a number put out there to sow deep concern or, the total number of missiles it deems necessary to inflict massive damage to strategic and civilian infrastructure. Of course, no sane person can really expect a country to launch all of these within a tight timeframe.

Israel would of course have done its own calculation viz-a-viz Iran’s strategic and civilian infrastructure.

The end result: - mutual conventional MAD.

Piet
Click to expand...
Your analysis is right.

The more resources US is pouring in Ukraine, Israel... and now in Venezuela the less capability to avoid annexation of Taiwán. I told it also many times.

China knows that and is delivering a huge quantity of raw materials to Irán to replenish all ballistic stocks.

Israel literally depleted the ABM munitions stocks everywhere.

The problem is so acute that there is a bottleneck production in US. Recently US have agreed with MBDA to open an assembly line for new Patriots in Germany. While this assembly line won´t arrive at time to supply large quantity of anti-missiles PAC3 to Ukraine it would help to Israel.

www.stripes.com

First Patriot missile facility outside US starts up in Germany

Construction has begun on the first Patriot production facility outside the United States.
www.stripes.com www.stripes.com

But aside from the industrial problem of the US to supply Israel directly or indirectly, the problem relies on the insane price of paying the Air Defense of them.

We have seen even US Navy burning SM3 ABM interceptors that cost insane 10 millions the cheapest and 28 the most expensive version of it.

The cost of this alliance is so high that it is possible that China can annex Taiwan without triggering a single missile. US is ripe economically. There are not virtually money to sustain another campaign like Ukraine and Israel-Iran war. Everybody knows it, and Trump is engaged to press all NATO to spend more money just to focus all their resources in Taiwan, something that would never happen.

EU are not in position to expend a 5% in Defense.

And that is a open opportunity for Irán also.

Th
 
Last edited:
To view this content we will need your consent to set third party cookies.
For more detailed information, see our cookies page.
 
Persian Gulf said:
To view this content we will need your consent to set third party cookies.
For more detailed information, see our cookies page.
Click to expand...


Tondar is right and it makes sense as well to have high numbers of well spread mobile TELs on surface do the damage instead of just few silos over underground missile bases, basically cartridge stores and command centers. Silos will always be few and vulnerable because enemy can direct all its efforts to destroy the openings through drones/SOWS and even by sabotage.

SIlos are more for strategic second strike (nuclear) like SSBNs. For conventional strikes Silos should operate but in mix with thousand+ cheap mobile TELs that can easily be pulled in place and leave the area after launch. Enemy is welcome to waste million+ USD SOW on that welded trailer.
 
OldTwilight said:
This is just another propaganda bullshit by IR
Click to expand...


Propaganda itself serves a purpose: It is designed to get the enemy unbalanced, boost the moral of the people at home including the armed forces, and keep the enemy to think about the consequences before they initiate another attack. Everybody does it and IR is no exception.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.

Users who are viewing this thread

  • Total: 7 (members: 1, guests: 6)

    Pakistan Defence Latest

    Country Watch Latest

    Latest Posts

    Share this page

    Back
    Top