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[GWXP]

Because contrary to popular belief China doesn’t do much for Iran particularly in field of military arms relations. Iran and China don’t have significant military relations.

Also I doubt Chinese have any need for JAASM. Something like this is well within China’s technological capability to build on their own. They don’t need to see a U.S. copy.

Iran doesnt need China in the field of military arms relations.

Iran has a developed defense industry (hope most of it survived recent US bombing campaign).

What kind of product Iran can't build, - it will design it over the next 5-8 years by its own.

Air defense systems:
Azarakhsh - 10km range,
9 Dey - 20-30km range,
3rd Khordad - 70km range,
Arman -120km range,
Mehran 1 - 200km range,
Mehran 2 - 320km range.

Ballistic missiles:
Raad 500 -500km range,
Dezful - 1000km range,
Khaybarshekan - 1450km range,
Sejjil-2000-2500km range,
Khorramshahr - 4000km range,
Qaem 105 - 5000km range (in development)
Qaem 120 - 12.000km range (in development)

Anti-Ship ballistic missiles:
Khalije Fars missile - 300km range
Tankil missile - 500km range
Qasem Basir - 1300km range

Drones:
Raad 2 - 20km
Raad 3 - 100km
Hadid 110 - 350km
Shahed 238 - 1000km
Shahed 136 - 2500km
Arash 2 - 2500km
Shahed 136B - 4000km
Ababil 5
Mohajer 10
Shahed 149 Gaza

Cruise missiles:
Abu Mahdi anti ship missile - 1000km range
Paveh cruise missile - 1650km range
Supersonic cruise missile with ramjet engine - 300km range (currently in testing phase)

Helicopters:
Saba 248 light helicopter
Toufan light attack helicopter
Shahed 216 heavy attack helicopter (in development)

Hypersonic weapons:
Fattah 1 - 1400km range
Fattah 2 - 1500km range
Hypersonic missile with scramjet engine (in development)

Land Forces:
Toophan MRAP
BMP2
Karrar tank
Howeizeh howitzer
Fath 360 MLRS - 120km range
Fath 360 L MLRS - 180km range

Air Force:
Kowsar trainer/light fighter
Yasin trainer
Simorgh transport aircraft

Navy:
Fateh light submarine - 600 tons
Besat submarine - 3000 tons
Abu Mahdi class catamaran
Shahid Soleimani class corvette
Deylaman corvette
Safineh class frigate (in development)
Loghman class destroyer (in development)

Space vehicles in development:
Simorgh 2 - 900kg payload
Sarir - 1500kg payload
Sarir Heavy - 3800kg payload (2029)
Sourush 1 - 8 tons payload (2029)
Sourush 2 - 22 tons payload (2037)

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Tell me what else Iran needs from China or Russia, except for fighter aircraft?

Instead of spending dollars and buying expensive Russian and Chinese weapons, Iran should subsidise its own defense industry.

 

[muhammed45]

Because contrary to popular belief China doesn’t do much for Iran particularly in field of military arms relations. Iran and China don’t have significant military relations.

Also I doubt Chinese have any need for JAASM. Something like this is well within China’s technological capability to build on their own. They don’t need to see a U.S. copy.

China needs to study feature of JAASM to be prepared for a sudden attack.

They need to know how to defend against it. It will be a god sent gift to Chinese airdefense scientists.

Its true that they have their own version of stand off weapons but its important to be ready for American attacks.

 

[Ali_Baba]

Instead of spending dollars and buying expensive Russian and Chinese weapons, Iran should subsidise its own defense industry.

Iran is not an industrial military power, can it really make systems at scale, or speed for all of what you have listed? No country can except China, Russia(but not right now) or the USA.

Is the Iranian IADS in such trouble because it focused solely on home grown solutions that have not proven to be effective against fighter jets or large platforms? What will the procurement cycle be for Iran now post war ? Double down on "make it all at home" or actually try and procure top-tier systems overseas to compliment its own home grown solutions where they don't have the maturity or capability?

 

[Piet]

Iran is not an industrial military power, can it really make systems at scale, or speed for all of what you have listed? No country can except China, Russia(but not right now) or the USA.

Is the Iranian IADS in such trouble because it focused solely on home grown solutions that have not proven to be effective against fighter jets or large platforms? What will the procurement cycle be for Iran now post war ? Double down on "make it all at home" or actually try and procure top-tier systems overseas to compliment its own home grown solutions where they don't have the maturity or capability?

Under the circumstances too true.

Piet

Iran doesnt need China in the field of military arms relations.

Iran has a developed defense industry (hope most of it survived recent US bombing campaign).

What kind of product Iran can't build, - it will design it over the next 5-8 years by its own.

Air defense systems:
Azarakhsh - 10km range,
9 Dey - 20-30km range,
3rd Khordad - 70km range,
Arman -120km range,
Mehran 1 - 200km range,
Mehran 2 - 320km range.

Ballistic missiles:
Raad 500 -500km range,
Dezful - 1000km range,
Khaybarshekan - 1450km range,
Sejjil-2000-2500km range,
Khorramshahr - 4000km range,
Qaem 105 - 5000km range (in development)
Qaem 120 - 12.000km range (in development)

Anti-Ship ballistic missiles:
Khalije Fars missile - 300km range
Tankil missile - 500km range
Qasem Basir - 1300km range

Drones:
Raad 2 - 20km
Raad 3 - 100km
Hadid 110 - 350km
Shahed 238 - 1000km
Shahed 136 - 2500km
Arash 2 - 2500km
Shahed 136B - 4000km
Ababil 5
Mohajer 10
Shahed 149 Gaza

Cruise missiles:
Abu Mahdi anti ship missile - 1000km range
Paveh cruise missile - 1650km range
Supersonic cruise missile with ramjet engine - 300km range (currently in testing phase)

Helicopters:
Saba 248 light helicopter
Toufan light attack helicopter
Shahed 216 heavy attack helicopter (in development)

Hypersonic weapons:
Fattah 1 - 1400km range
Fattah 2 - 1500km range
Hypersonic missile with scramjet engine (in development)

Land Forces:
Toophan MRAP
BMP2
Karrar tank
Howeizeh howitzer
Fath 360 MLRS - 120km range
Fath 360 L MLRS - 180km range

Air Force:
Kowsar trainer/light fighter
Yasin trainer
Simorgh transport aircraft

Navy:
Fateh light submarine - 600 tons
Besat submarine - 3000 tons
Abu Mahdi class catamaran
Shahid Soleimani class corvette
Deylaman corvette
Safineh class frigate (in development)
Loghman class destroyer (in development)

Space vehicles in development:
Simorgh 2 - 900kg payload
Sarir - 1500kg payload
Sarir Heavy - 3800kg payload (2029)
Sourush 1 - 8 tons payload (2029)
Sourush 2 - 22 tons payload (2037)

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Tell me what else Iran needs from China or Russia, except for fighter aircraft?

Instead of spending dollars and buying expensive Russian and Chinese weapons, Iran should subsidise its own defense industry.

I agree with your last sentiment. But there's also a but in there.

While I have no doubt, as Iran has demonstrated with its missiles in particular, it can develop decent kit. However, development, IOC and FOC does not go hand in hand.

Anything can meanwhile happen in the current stand-off.

This will be a short-term stand-off at best, so I doubt whether Iran will actually be afforded that 5 - 8 yrs buffer.

Iran needs combat a/c (SU-35; MiG-35 and Yak-130M CAS and perimeter defense, and later Kowsars) as soon as is humanly possible. Same goes for LR-SAMS & supporting mobile radar systems, and a hardened, fully integrated, IADS.

Are the Sayyad-4 & 4B still serious propositions?

Artesh is likely able to repel a full-scale invasion long enough to turn it into an expensive soul-sapping meat-grinder, such as was the case with North Korean in the 50's. They do however need to be supplied with substantial quantities of MANPADS.

Regarding naval affairs. Please stay away from major surface combatants, nothing bigger than say Sina-class FAC's for enforcement duties in the SOH, and brown and blue-water subs for projecting a two-prong threat envelope.

Lastly: - Sourush 1 & 2. Prioritize these. Nothing changes foreign politicians' minds faster than plummeting pole numbers amongst their constituents. I will leave the details of this to you and other members reading this.

Regards

Piet

 

[Persian Gulf]

Iran is continuing to expand new and existing missile bases at a rapid pace

 

[Immortals]

 

[GWXP]

Russia secretly helping Iran develop supersonic cruise missiles​

https://www.ft.com/content/6cf367bc-95b0-4f1f-b149-a25684adefc3?syn-25a6b1a6=1

 

[Persian Gulf]

rare instance of Artesh firing ballistic missiles

 

[Persian Gulf]

Russia secretly helping Iran develop supersonic cruise missiles​

https://www.ft.com/content/6cf367bc-95b0-4f1f-b149-a25684adefc3?syn-25a6b1a6=1

according to the article, Iran has already built a ramjet propulsion engine and flight tested it

although it is working with Russian experts to fix issues with the engine

 

[Immortals]

 

[Gryzor]

according to the article, Iran has already built a ramjet propulsion engine and flight tested it

although it is working with Russian experts to fix issues with the engine

If even remotely true, that would be nothing short of a complete geopolitical gamechanger, possibly introducing a future cooperation era à la Moscow-NK. Beyond even strictly its military terms (even though very significant of course) but rather in its larger strategic implications.

Indeed one has to remember that it has been a good 20 years give or take, that Russia hasn't been known to have engaged meaningfully in any joint developement programs with Iran. Their gradual withdrawal from the DIO's realm in the early 2000s and Ahmadinejad days, was one of the reasons Iran's R&D and early reverse engineering efforts started to reorient themselves towards Chinese designs, scientific doctrine,educationnal exchange programs, and procurement of machine-tools for the establishment of homegrown production chains.

We saw that extensively with the air defense apparatus for instance (notwidstanding the way they got so badly hurt in the 12-day war due to massive internal infitration dating back years, and the lack of a true air-force futrher coumpounding it, but that would be off-topic here), and it was also the case for anti-ship sea-skimmers starting with the Noor then Qader.

And now we're talking a big red line for the USN and American political class => supersonic naval interdictors. This is absolutely unprecedented, and for decades Russia and even China would let go of the most sensitive such projects with Iran to satisfy a longstanding though unspoken entente they had with Washington on such matters of extreme strategic sensitivity.

It will be very interesting to dig this news and try to come up with indicators further cementing its validity. This is even bigger than any Su-30/35 deal could ever become. The USN has no reliable means to defend against supersonic salvos, that is a fact, let alone hypersonic ones. If Iran can slowly but surely transition from its currently subsonic arsenal, man, I won't even have the words to properly qualify it.

Putting Iran and "ramjet" in one and the same discussion is already an earthquake and Russia being a hypotheticla facilitator of all countries, shows how groundbreaking is the masisve geopolitcal shift.

The times we live in.