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Nuffle said:
Basically the aircraft ends up being the first stage of an ALBM with all its advantages.
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IRIAF has a fleet of 30 Su-24s and the IRGCAF has 10 Su-22s airframes. The operational numbers will be lower. The Number of ALBMs able to be launched in one salvo is very low for overcoming the combined missile defences of the U.S and Israel. It is also much more expensive to generate the sorties to launch ALBM as apposed to produce first stage boosters for conventional MRBMs . In any war against the U.S and Israel, the disabling of Iranian air base swill be top priority for the Zionists. To me it seems like a waste of effort for Iran to pursue ALBMs when MRBMs are already available in significant numbers and much more difficult for the enemy to stop from launching in large volumes.
 
Kyussis said:
IRIAF has a fleet of 30 Su-24s and the IRGCAF has 10 Su-22s airframes. The operational numbers will be lower. The Number of ALBMs able to be launched in one salvo is very low for overcoming the combined missile defences of the U.S and Israel. It is also much more expensive to generate the sorties to launch ALBM as apposed to produce first stage boosters for conventional MRBMs . In any war against the U.S and Israel, the disabling of Iranian air base swill be top priority for the Zionists. To me it seems like a waste of effort for Iran to pursue ALBMs when MRBMs are already available in significant numbers and much more difficult for the enemy to stop from launching in large volumes.
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it is always good to add diversity and variety to your attacking options

ALBM give Iran more options in terms of launch site (wherever the plane flies to), reducing distance travelled, and varied launch trajectory, giving better chance to penetrate defences (in combination with ground launched MRBMs)

there is of course a cost benefit analysis that has to be conducted but air launch extends range of the missile so a small missile like Raad-500 could be suitable and should not be very expensive
 
ALBM means IRIAF+IRGCAF have their own deadly strike option now so enemy has to vector its assets to tackle that threat while being worried about IRGC's surface launched missiles.

Imagine if SU-35S, F-4E/D, SU-24MK2, SU-22M3/4 all are capable of launching ALBMs at Israel from Iraqi airspace while IRGC is raining it from their TELs, TP2 style. This means Israeli AD and IAF will have two theaters. They have to intercept incoming RVs some which will have no boost phase so only midcourse and terminal tracking will be possibe. IAF will have to fly to Iraq to intercept these ALBM launchers. Tables turned.
 
Emirzad said:
ALBM means IRIAF+IRGCAF have their own deadly strike option now so enemy has to vector its assets to tackle that threat while being worried about IRGC's surface launched missiles.

Imagine if SU-35S, F-4E/D, SU-24MK2, SU-22M3/4 all are capable of launching ALBMs at Israel from Iraqi airspace while IRGC is raining it from their TELs, TP2 style. This means Israeli AD and IAF will have two theaters. They have to intercept incoming RVs some which will have no boost phase so only midcourse and terminal tracking will be possibe. IAF will have to fly to Iraq to intercept these ALBM launchers. Tables turned.
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If Iran wants to go the route of ALBM, it needs to better protect its air force fleet. Israel would likely sabotage Iran's air force fleet with covert attacks. Any loss in fleet would be dentrimental given Iran's inability to effectively procure aircraft in a timely manner. I would leave that for the IRGC fleet so the IRIAF doesn't come under attack.
 
alireza said:
If Iran wants to go the route of ALBM, it needs to better protect its air force fleet. Israel would likely sabotage Iran's air force fleet with covert attacks. Any loss in fleet would be dentrimental given Iran's inability to effectively procure aircraft in a timely manner. I would leave that for the IRGC fleet so the IRIAF doesn't come under attack.
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ALBM launchers are strike or attack jets like SU-22M3/M4, SU-24MK2, F-4E/D not air-superiority MRCAs like SU-35S or interceptors like F-14A/AM or MIG-29.

I have always been in favor of IRIAF becoming an extended arm of IADS with just interceptors/air-superiority fighters. Attack fleet or role should be given to IRGCAF.
 
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Yemen possibly used new variant of Kheibar Shekan missile to strike north Israel yesterday

avoided THAAD (based in centre/south Israel). seems it defeated Arrow.
 
despite 24/7 bombing of all military sites in Yemen by USA, Ansarallah continues to fire on average 4 ballistic missiles a week into Israel (25 missiles in the last 6 weeks, plus many more drones)

far from reducing their military capabilities, this is the highest rate of missile fire from Yemen into Israel that we have seen

this suggests that if the US had any dreams of destroying Iran's missile cities and preventing Iran from firing its much larger missile arsenal, this is not feasible even with significant sortie rates after several months (as we see in Yemen)
 
Persian Gulf said:
despite 24/7 bombing of all military sites in Yemen by USA, Ansarallah continues to fire on average 4 ballistic missiles a week into Israel (25 missiles in the last 6 weeks, plus many more drones)

far from reducing their military capabilities, this is the highest rate of missile fire from Yemen into Israel that we have seen

this suggests that if the US had any dreams of destroying Iran's missile cities and preventing Iran from firing its much larger missile arsenal, this is not feasible even with significant sortie rates after several months (as we see in Yemen)
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You can't destroy mobile missiles with airstrikes alone.

Reasons:
1) missile are mobile and constantly change positions,
2) camouflage is used,
3) decoys are used,
4) missiles are in underground tunnels that can withstand airstrikes.

Ground operation is required to clean missile cities
 
Persian Gulf said:
despite 24/7 bombing of all military sites in Yemen by USA, Ansarallah continues to fire on average 4 ballistic missiles a week into Israel (25 missiles in the last 6 weeks, plus many more drones)

far from reducing their military capabilities, this is the highest rate of missile fire from Yemen into Israel that we have seen

this suggests that if the US had any dreams of destroying Iran's missile cities and preventing Iran from firing its much larger missile arsenal, this is not feasible even with significant sortie rates after several months (as we see in Yemen)
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Completely agreed. In addition to that, the new secondary sanctions means that, in reality, Pentagon has no real military way. Also we didn't see new deployments of CVNs or more strategic bombers in the área.
 
GWXP said:
You can't destroy mobile missiles with airstrikes alone.

Reasons:
1) missile are mobile and constantly change positions,
2) camouflage is used,
3) decoys are used,
4) missiles are in underground tunnels that can withstand airstrikes.

Ground operation is required to clean missile cities
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some believed, and still believe, that such known underground sites can be rendered inoperable by precisely and repeatedly targeting entrances etc

but we have empirical evidence now that this is not effective
 
Flotilla said:
Completely agreed. In addition to that, the new secondary sanctions means that, in reality, Pentagon has no real military way. Also we didn't see new deployments of CVNs or more strategic bombers in the área.
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to be clear, I don't want to underestimate the US military, this is dangerous. they have weapons they did not use yet and nobody will survive a direct war with them. but they also have limits and a clever state can try to exploit these.
 
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