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Flotilla said:
IMO, no.
Alvand has something better. Kamand with IR/EO fire control.
But Mowj have 2 Sayyad that Alvand doesn´t have.
It is impossible to fit any VLS on both of them.
In fact, as you know Mowj it is a reverse engineered ship from Alvand class. Both classes have reached the peak of development. Any further addition will affect the stability (Sahand) or will require remove sensors or other weaponry.
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The place could be found, certainly some modifications are needed and the displacement of what is underneath it.
The accident that happened to Sahand and the need to repair it could be an opportunity to install VLS.
My own simple interpretation, I used those from the combat catamaran
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sahureka2 said:
The place could be found, certainly some modifications are needed and the displacement of what is underneath it.
The accident that happened to Sahand and the need to repair it could be an opportunity to install VLS.
My own simple interpretation, I used those from the combat catamaran
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Unfortunately a VLS requires a lot os space under de deck, not only because of the length of the missile cell, but also the systems for expelling gases (specially hot launched style like iranian one), so if you install those VLS cells you would virtually make no space for any corridor or even pipe between bow and the rest of the ship. That is why you see on a small boat like zulfiqar of IRGCN just a small short range navab 4 cell Launcher. But the idea is beautiful.
 
Flotilla said:
Unfortunately a VLS requires a lot os space under de deck, not only because of the length of the missile cell, but also the systems for expelling gases (specially hot launched style like iranian one), so if you install those VLS cells you would virtually make no space for any corridor or even pipe between bow and the rest of the ship. That is why you see on a small boat like zulfiqar of IRGCN just a small short range navab 4 cell Launcher. But the idea is beautiful.
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Yes, it will probably not be possible to use long-range anti-aircraft missiles in the VLS version, but I think that for the defence of units the size of the Sahand, even SAMs for short- and medium-range defence as in the Shahid Soleimani FS313-01 catamaran corvette are acceptable.
My simple hypothesis, apart from internal modifications, would also include a limited increase in the external height of the superstructure and the possibility that the tubes of the launch silos would not be almost level with the deck as in the catamaran, but slightly higher, which should allow the installation of medium-range SAMs without problems.
However, the Danes to upgrade their old Niels Juel class Corvettes, installed VLS Mk-48/Mod.3 launchers for RIM-7 Sea Sparrow missiles with above-deck installation, as can be seen in the attached photos the dimensions are not exaggerated, on the contrary, this configuration there are 2 x 6 SAM missile silos + 6 tubes for gas venting.
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The Danes have placed them aft, but given the dimensions, a similar but adapted configuration where I had placed the VLS on the Sahand might be feasible.

Here in two configurations with 6 and 9 VLS
In the first 6 VLS and for the expulsion of gases create ducts connected with openings in the ship's side, openings possibly equipped with a hatch that can be opened when the SAMs are launched and then closed to prevent sea water from entering.
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In the second with 9 VLS, the additional 3 each equipped with an exhaust pipe that goes to the deck.
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But again, this is a simple hypothesis that probably cannot be realised.
 

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sahureka2 said:
Yes, it will probably not be possible to use long-range anti-aircraft missiles in the VLS version, but I think that for the defence of units the size of the Sahand, even SAMs for short- and medium-range defence as in the Shahid Soleimani FS313-01 catamaran corvette are acceptable.
My simple hypothesis, apart from internal modifications, would also include a limited increase in the external height of the superstructure and the possibility that the tubes of the launch silos would not be almost level with the deck as in the catamaran, but slightly higher, which should allow the installation of medium-range SAMs without problems.
However, the Danes to upgrade their old Niels Juel class Corvettes, installed VLS Mk-48/Mod.3 launchers for RIM-7 Sea Sparrow missiles with above-deck installation, as can be seen in the attached photos the dimensions are not exaggerated, on the contrary, this configuration there are 2 x 6 SAM missile silos + 6 tubes for gas venting.
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The Danes have placed them aft, but given the dimensions, a similar but adapted configuration where I had placed the VLS on the Sahand might be feasible.

Here in two configurations with 6 and 9 VLS
In the first 6 VLS and for the expulsion of gases create ducts connected with openings in the ship's side, openings possibly equipped with a hatch that can be opened when the SAMs are launched and then closed to prevent sea water from entering.
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In the second with 9 VLS, the additional 3 each equipped with an exhaust pipe that goes to the deck.
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But again, this is a simple hypothesis that probably cannot be realised.
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That would be possible. Your suggestion could help to install a VLS just elevating the launcher enough. I agree that the only viable VLS would be a short-range one like Navab system.

All in all the Mowj class is a reverse engineered Alvand and the hull is too small for allocating large VLS. IMO with Taftan delivered to IRIN and Sahand back in service (hope soon) I think Mowj class could replace the small Bayandor class and build three more ships at the standard of type 054A of Pakistan Navy or PLAN. The long awaited Longman destroyer it is too big and will take years to be design, build and test. Type 054A is smaller and have some equipments (like Noor missiles) in common with Mowj class.
 
I have a question regarding the carrier Iran has built. I know it's primarily for drone operations, but how does Iran intend to utilize it?

Will it just be a drone carrier operating out of Iranian waters? Or is it intended to be similarly used as a fully functional AC, being used to project power, but just so happens to be a drone carrier, instead of a manned-fighter carrier?

Is Iran ever intending for it to fly actual fighters on it eventually, via Russian or Chinese carrier fighters?
 
That_Guy said:
I have a question regarding the carrier Iran has built. I know it's primarily for drone operations, but how does Iran intend to utilize it?

Will it just be a drone carrier operating out of Iranian waters? Or is it intended to be similarly used as a fully functional AC, being used to project power, but just so happens to be a drone carrier, instead of a manned-fighter carrier?

Is Iran ever intending for it to fly actual fighters on it eventually, via Russian or Chinese carrier fighters?
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to answer your question now we would need the magic sphere. Too early to evaluate, it was only recently delivered, and in any case it will have to undergo a long period of testing and training by the crew and operators dedicated to the drones.
They have started to carry out take-offs and landings with small-sized drones, then they will move on to medium-sized ones and finally to large-sized ones.
Only when they have completed this long period of training and refinement of the techniques and tactics of how to use this naval unit and its drones, will the military authorities be able to define what its actual capabilities will be and consequently the missions it will carry out.
In any case, the knowledge they will acquire with the Bagherì drone carrier will be essential to carry out the next step in the construction of aircraft/drone carriers derived from commercial units.
 
Hack-Hook said:
I never wait for IRIN, IRIAF or other branches of army. But i bet on IRGC with full confidence. Replace moudge with Shahid suleymani class
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IRIN will not buy IRGC-Navy ships. Just like IRIAF doesn’t buy IRGC drones.

It’s a a petty rivalry marked by inefficiency.
 
I don't think Iran has a problem with radar production; quite the opposite. I think they're making progress so quickly that they're changing their technological configuration quickly. This is a very good problem for them. The clue is the production of new radars; they often present us with new ones.
 
Immortals said:
IRIN will not buy IRGC-Navy ships. Just like IRIAF doesn’t buy IRGC drones.

It’s a a petty rivalry marked by inefficiency.
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Soleimani catamarans are fast and cheap to produce because they use aluminium. Their machinery it is just diésel engines, that are enough powerful and economic.

But It is not the best seakeeping ship for high seas deployments specially in rough seas. I think IRIN just need bigger hulls warships to fit VLS and gas turbines. That would be the logical step.
 
Flotilla said:
Soleimani catamarans are fast and cheap to produce because they use aluminium. Their machinery it is just diésel engines, that are enough powerful and economic.

But It is not the best seakeeping ship for high seas deployments specially in rough seas. I think IRIN just need bigger hulls warships to fit VLS and gas turbines. That would be the logical step.
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Thinking on the same lines. I believe Immortal got wrong here, at least concerning the ships. They're focusing on different kind of ships for different areas of responsibilities. I don't think there's much internal competition there. On the drone side though I've also wondered. The IRGC makes all the goodies when it comes to drones but I'm not seeing them utilised by regular forces.
 
Immortals said:
IRIN will not buy IRGC-Navy ships. Just like IRIAF doesn’t buy IRGC drones.

It’s a a petty rivalry marked by inefficiency.
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previously i stated that post is forum incompatibility with tor browser on android phone
this part is mine
"Replace moudge with Shahid suleymani class "
 
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