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[Hack-Hook]

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must likely the subsystem that was not installed like air defence and radars is going to be installed

 

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[sahureka2]

Tomorrow, Iranian, Russian, Chinese forces to start joint naval exercise in northern Indian Ocean

Iranian, Russian, Chinese forces to start joint naval exercise in northern Indian Ocean

Naval forces from the Islamic Republic of Iran, Russia and China will start a combined naval exercise in the northern tip of the Indian Ocean on Tuesday.

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they mistakenly stated there is vls behind the command post while they are all in front
also they said 6 larger cell are anti ship missile, while they are longer range anti air missiles.

 

[Immortals]

so I won't hastily chalk out such submarines specially the ones that are more close to 1500t , they really can be dreadful, specially with modern AIP. they are the way to go , instead of 1 big submarine you'll have 4 smaller but more deadly submarine with several time the fire power. the doctrine of bigger is better is so cold war and is not in line with our asymmetric warfare doctrine

Fateh is not bad submarine, however it has limitations.

Fateh can only dive 200Meters. It can fire only Jask or light torpedos from its bow. It’s firepower is simply not enough to protect a fleet. Good for PG, but not great deep water submarine or a fleet protector.

Besat and a future heavy Iranian sub are needed to protect a hypothetical future fleet comprised of Iranian destroyers/cruisers/and drone carriers.

Furthermore, a future Iranian SLBM equipped to heavy sub, can allow Iran the threat of targeting US homeland while in Atlantic Ocean or dive deep enough for attacking transatlantic data cables. They help increase deterrence.

Even if Iran decided to build heavy subs tomm, it would likely take 10-20’years to get one deployed. Biggest issue right now is lack of nuclear engine for marine propulsion.

Any bigger Iranian warship or submarine will need to be equipped with sufficient engines. I am not sure Iran’s conventional marine engines are powerful enough.

 

[Hack-Hook]

Fateh is not bad submarine, however it has limitations.

Fateh can only dive 200Meters. It can fire only Jask or light torpedos from its bow. It’s firepower is simply not enough to protect a fleet. Good for PG, but not great deep water submarine or a fleet protector.

Besat and a future heavy Iranian sub are needed to protect a hypothetical future fleet comprised of Iranian destroyers/cruisers/and drone carriers.

Furthermore, a future Iranian SLBM equipped to heavy sub, can allow Iran the threat of targeting US homeland while in Atlantic Ocean or dive deep enough for attacking transatlantic data cables. They help increase deterrence.

Even if Iran decided to build heavy subs tomm, it would likely take 10-20’years to get one deployed. Biggest issue right now is lack of nuclear engine for marine propulsion.

Any bigger Iranian warship or submarine will need to be equipped with sufficient engines. I am not sure Iran’s conventional marine engines are powerful enough.

usually 533mm torpedo are not considered small. type-212 use them and fire nuclear armed cruise missile from such tubes and our largest torpedo (Valfajr can be fired from them)

250m and that is normal for subs of this size. more importantly for diving more we first need to build stronger alloys and improve our welding techniques .

the question is where that fleet want to operate Indian ocean or pacific

for attacking transatlantic cables you need specialized subs not a normal sub.

nuclear subs , they are noisy if we build them how we are supposed to sneak behind sonar and hearing line USA put in Atlantic and pacific against USSR subs

 

[tsunset]

This might sound like a joke but Iran could make a battleship holding 3 4 barreled 400mm guns modified to carry guided projectiles with barbettes and install recent equipment such as VLS or Sayyad canisters, 20mm auto in numbers as ciws on a big large platform, its role would be to shell from the shores, it could interesting for keeping the 3 islands safe and essentially the Caspian Sea

 

[Immortals]

usually 533mm torpedo are not considered small. type-212 use them and fire nuclear armed cruise missile from such tubes and our largest torpedo (Valfajr can be fired from them)

There is no verifiable proof any large Iranian CM has been fired from an Iranian sub besides Jask-1/2.

Torpedo? What is this WW2? You fire and then you are dead against any near peer adversary. You automatically highlight your position. One and done.

Unless Iran manages to use its torpedo drones with longer range to be further away before impact.

Bigger subs are needed. I’m not sure if they are coming tho. The Fateh project apparently will end with just 4 submarines produced, that means the unit cost of each one of these is pretty high since it never reached scaled production.

Besat the dimension and tonnage keeps changing so who knows when or if that will start. At the very least Iran will need 3 Besat class subs to replace its Russian kilos by 2030/2040.

diving more we first need to build stronger alloys and improve our welding techniques .

You need titanium based hulls.

for attacking transatlantic cables you need specialized subs not a normal sub.

You drop specialized rovers from the deep water submarine. That is how Russia plans to cut them in times of war.

You forget how massive these submarines are and what they can carry.

 

[Hack-Hook]

There is no verifiable proof any large Iranian CM has been fired from an Iranian sub besides Jask-1/2.

and that be the case if we build a 20,000 ton sub but not build the missile. we don't have any missile with such capability so building bigger sub won't help in that regard.

Torpedo? What is this WW2? You fire and then you are dead against any near peer adversary. You automatically highlight your position. One and done.

Unless Iran manages to use its torpedo drones with longer range to be further away before impact.

Bigger subs are needed. I’m not sure if they are coming tho. The Fateh project apparently will end with just 4 submarines produced, that means the unit cost of each one of these is pretty high since it never reached scaled production.

even bigger sub use torpedoes against other sub and i guess i post what a Sweden Gotland sub did with all NATO navies and one Nimitz battle group.

You need titanium based hulls.

only USA do that and no you don't need that .

You drop specialized rovers from the deep water submarine. That is how Russia plans to cut them in times of war.

as far as i'm aware the device don't care if it drop from 100m under surface or 500m or 1000m

You forget how massive these submarines are and what they can carry.

no but i also recall how noisy they are

 

[Immortals]

and that be the case if we build a 20,000 ton sub but not build the missile. we don't have any missile with such capability so building bigger sub won't help in that regard.

You can convert existing Iranian BMs into SLBM.

If North Korea can do it, Iran can do it. You forget Khorramshahr is based on a missile that was also a SLBM variant as well.

even bigger sub use torpedoes against other sub and i guess i post what a Sweden Gotland sub did with all NATO navies and one Nimitz battle group.

It’s not about just other sub, it’s about firepower and deterrence. Especially if Iran wants to one day be a nuclear weapons power you need to have the triad MAD doctrine in place.

only USA do that and no you don't need that .

Not correct.

Russian did it too. Russian Alfa class was fastest deepest diving sub and could evade western torpedos.

Chinese new 094A nuclear submarine is also titanium.

Titanium gives you stronger than steel with less half the weight and is better in corrosive salt water than steel.

as far as i'm aware the device don't care if it drop from 100m under surface or 500m or 1000m

You need to dive to avoid the enemy. So it’s better to use a deeper diving sub for such operations.

no but i also recall how noisy they are

Maybe 1960’s and 1970’s reactors.

 

[sahureka2]

some images of the joint naval exercises underway between Iran, China and Russia.

 

[tsunset]

some images of the joint naval exercises underway between Iran, China and Russia.

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Any clue on which ships brought by China and Russia?

 

[Hack-Hook]

You can convert existing Iranian BMs into SLBM.

If North Korea can do it, Iran can do it. You forget Khorramshahr is based on a missile that was also a SLBM variant as well.



It’s not about just other sub, it’s about firepower and deterrence. Especially if Iran wants to one day be a nuclear weapons power you need to have the triad MAD doctrine in place.



Not correct.

Russian did it too. Russian Alfa class was fastest deepest diving sub and could evade western torpedos.

Chinese new 094A nuclear submarine is also titanium.

Titanium gives you stronger than steel with less half the weight and is better in corrosive salt water than steel.



You need to dive to avoid the enemy. So it’s better to use a deeper diving sub for such operations.



Maybe 1960’s and 1970’s reactors.

as I said , USA , french and Spanish subs even nuclear ones get defeated by a 1500 ton Swedish diesel sub and USA Nimitz career group for two year get defeated by the same sub until they get tired of it and send sub back
and who says alfa subs can dive deeper than other subs , they cant if you read some where 1000m its based on a myth made from wrong western intelligence
and for the record modern nuclear subs are still noisier than modern diesel electric subs. for start they cant turn off that noisy engine while diesel subs can turn it off and go electric

The Type 094 is noisier than contemporary submarines. In 2004,[16] a Chinese researcher reported that the Type 094 had an acoustic signature of 120 decibels, comparable to the Los Angeles-class submarine.[17] In 2009, the Office of Naval Intelligence of the United States Navy listed the Type 094 as noisier than Soviet/Russian SSBNs from the late-1970s.[18][19] In 2015, Australian researchers Brendan Thomas-Noone and Rorey Medcalf noted that noisiness and the range of the JL-2 limited the submarine's effectiveness in attacks on the contiguous United States, but not on India.

 

[Persian Gulf]

some images of the joint naval exercises underway between Iran, China and Russia.

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IRIN sends ship with paper radar and IRGC sends ship without radar at all

 

[wudangmaster]

IRIN sends ship with paper radar and IRGC sends ship without radar at all

It's not that bad, the IRIN vessel has an appropriate radar for what it's fielding and the other does seem to have an analogue dish of some kind; limited but at least something.