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[ParthianLord]

can you show me a clear good quality photo of that radar please

paper ? lmao its the material infront of the radar, its like a very thin aluminium/metal on some pics it can look "Distorted"


here picture of russian missile cruiser from todays naval exercises in gulf of oman (notice the same "Distorted" effect ont he pic, the thin front layer of the radar)

here a closer pic of Denas radar (pic is from 6 days ago)

 

[ParthianLord]

some second thought´s:
could also be some kind of new "protection layer" (would explain the whitish color , never heard of it before though ) but both the russian and iranian ship have it on their radar.

like some fabric, that keeps the radar outer layer protected but allows the radar waves going through.

either that or just my first explanation. (a thin metalic outer layer)

 

[Flames In The Desert]

paper ? lmao its the material infront of the radar, its like a very thin aluminium/metal on some pics it can look "Distorted"


here picture of russian missile cruiser from todays naval exercises in gulf of oman (notice the same "Distorted" effect ont he pic, the thin front layer of the radar)

here a closer pic of Denas radar (pic is from 6 days ago)

Thats an interesting theory,but unless they`ve fitted a new radar without telling anyone,which seems strange as this sort of thing is usually noted in the local media,the radar should look like this

Now what they have on the dena at the moment does look different to the mounting for the radar which was just a flat plate,this is what we saw from the time it was launched up until pretty recently.

So whatever the dena has at the moment isnt the asr radar.

There is one new iranian radar with a white surface covering

 

[Persian Gulf]

So whatever the dena has at the moment isnt the asr radar.

correct, finally someone with sense

 

[Mehdipersian]

can you show me a clear good quality photo of that radar please

 

[Hack-Hook]

Thats an interesting theory,but unless they`ve fitted a new radar without telling anyone,which seems strange as this sort of thing is usually noted in the local media,the radar should look like this

Now what they have on the dena at the moment does look different to the mounting for the radar which was just a flat plate,this is what we saw from the time it was launched up until pretty recently.

So whatever the dena has at the moment isnt the asr radar.

There is one new iranian radar with a white surface covering

so you guys tell they changed a 3d-phased array designed to detect boats and flying target with rcs of 4m^2 up to 200km with a 3d-phased array that have no boat detection capabilities but designed to detect and track upto 300 very small aerial target aka drones up to 12-15km (now the capabilities may differ due to change in size) !?
on a ship that make no sense to me, i Like to see what they use to detect boats and ships

 

[Flames In The Desert]

so you guys tell they changed a 3d-phased array designed to detect boats and flying target with rcs of 4m^2 up to 200km with a 3d-phased array that have no boat detection capabilities but designed to detect and track upto 300 very small aerial target aka drones up to 12-15km (now the capabilities may differ due to change in size) !?
on a ship that make no sense to me, i Like to see what they use to detect boats and ships

Ah.....no,not at all.
I was making the point that the only other iranian radar that we had currently seen with a somewhat similar white covering to whatever is mounted on the dena,be it either a placeholder for the as yet unready Asr or possibly a new unknown replacement for the Asr radar, was the new small drone detecting radar.

Now obviously they are both very different systems in size and performance.

 

[tsunset]

correct, finally someone with sense

Answers that doesn't fit your thoughts are all nonsense seemingly from your post history and your post history on the old PDF with many agressive words nearly insults on your record

 

[Mehdipersian]

 

[Persian Gulf]

Answers that doesn't fit your thoughts are all nonsense seemingly from your post history and your post history on the old PDF with many agressive words nearly insults on your record

if a post is nonsense I will say, if you find that aggressive and "nearly insults" that's your problem

now please stay on topic

 

[Flotilla]

Can anyone explain him that it is not a "paper radar" please? I've had enough with these senseless allegations of paper radars and fake missile launches/photoshop

What i can tell as a photographer is that the image you sent is the refraction/reflection present in real life where it was took which is reinforced by taking pictures

I pointed it a year ago in the previous forum. IMO Dena has no search radar.
That cover can´t allow a clear transmissions/reception of radar waves.
Any modern radar, specially military search 3D radars, are working in more than high frequencies, (new ones are in S band), at the point that in a modern phased array radar ships (like the ones with Aegis) the crew cannot be in front of the radar. The irradiation it is so high that the effect it is similar to a microwave.

A plastic cover has no sense because it would melt easily. Few radars have plastic covers. Metallic it is impossible because it affect to TX/RX waves, and plastic cover would melt in few seconds. Only dielectric materials can make that job, but if they are covered, they need refrigeration in addition. So all modern radars Spy family, APAR/Empar, and others are covered but refrigerated. That one isn´t refrigerated.

The Asr radar, like the rest of the contemporary radars (IMO equivalences); like Russian MR 750 Fregat and Chinese Type 382 HAVE NOT covered their antennas and you can see easily the RX/TX modules, and even in a corner of each line of modules, you can see the cables or even tubes for protecting the cables that connects each line of TX/RX modules.

There are some hints you can guess easily that Dena is not Full Operational Condition; it is the newest frigate of the South Fleet and you are seeing in real time how Sahand took 5 or even 6 years to have full operational systems like Kamand FC system, FC system of the Fajr.27 and SAM with real Fire control radar. Dena has the old coffing system for launching only two Sayyad missiles and only way to guide them it is a WM20 type FC radar that it is very well known and improved in other IRIN vessels (Sina/Kaman class).

But, no way. It is not possible to be a long range operative radar. No one have this kind of radar antennas. Neither russians, chinese, europeans or indian navy military vessels.

 

[Persian Gulf]

I pointed it a year ago in the previous forum. IMO Dena has no search radar.
That cover can´t allow a clear transmissions/reception of radar waves.
Any modern radar, specially military search 3D radars, are working in more than high frequencies, (new ones are in S band), at the point that in a modern phased array radar ships (like the ones with Aegis) the crew cannot be in front of the radar. The irradiation it is so high that the effect it is similar to a microwave.

A plastic cover has no sense because it would melt easily. Few radars have plastic covers. Metallic it is impossible because it affect to TX/RX waves, and plastic cover would melt in few seconds. Only dielectric materials can make that job, but if they are covered, they need refrigeration in addition. So all modern radars Spy family, APAR/Empar, and others are covered but refrigerated. That one isn´t refrigerated.

The Asr radar, like the rest of the contemporary radars (IMO equivalences); like Russian MR 750 Fregat and Chinese Type 382 HAVE NOT covered their antennas and you can see easily the RX/TX modules, and even in a corner of each line of modules, you can see the cables or even tubes for protecting the cables that connects each line of TX/RX modules.

There are some hints you can guess easily that Dena is not Full Operational Condition; it is the newest frigate of the South Fleet and you are seeing in real time how Sahand took 5 or even 6 years to have full operational systems like Kamand FC system, FC system of the Fajr.27 and SAM with real Fire control radar. Dena has the old coffing system for launching only two Sayyad missiles and only way to guide them it is a WM20 type FC radar that it is very well known and improved in other IRIN vessels (Sina/Kaman class).

But, no way. It is not possible to be a long range operative radar. No one have this kind of radar antennas. Neither russians, chinese, europeans or indian navy military vessels. View attachment 26306

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good post, fully agree

IMO only Moudge class ship with real search radar is Deylaman. and even Deylaman is back in dry dock so who knows

 

[Immortals]

It seems project management in Navy vs IRGC-N is once again oceans apart. The problem is more complicated than just less funding.

 

[Persian Gulf]

better photo

 

[wudangmaster]

I don't know why they didn't just put up a realistic looking mock up of the radar as a place holder if they wanted to have Dena in exercise so badly.