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[Arash]

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Such losses !!!!!@

Except the two old corvettes, it's really a shame

 

[Immortals]

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[Immortals]

Makran 441 was hit; it had returned from a long mission a few days ago.
I still can't understand why they left all the ships stranded in the harbor; this is pure suicide.

If you recall, I proposed a simple thought experiment of what these vessels could do against 6-12 F35/F22s hunting for them

The results are as you see.

It never made sense to build big vessels without proper radar and AD to protect them. Even then they would eventually succumb to mass attacks.

 

[Persian Gulf]

U.S. Centcom says that they sunk Iran’s drone carrier in the opening hours of war:

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Shahid Bagheri still moving as of today

Waste of money that could have gone to air defense. Those Mowj ships likely cost over $1B for all of them.

Could have gone to another major for air defenses.

yes true, useless ships that hid in port when war came and got destroyed

that money should have been spent on mass producing Majid and Ghaem-118 and missile 358/359 systems

 

[sahureka2]

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Perhaps some error was made by whoever painted that picture of the naval units
IRIS Taftan and IRIS Noor Kilo Sub in the dry dock, namely:
The Taftan frigate had been under construction for a long time in a completely different location, namely in the shipyard north of Bandar Abbas, and if I'm not mistaken, it hadn't yet been launched.
While the Kilo-class submarine, I'm told, was removed from this dry dock some time ago.
Perhaps it's best to wait for photos when the smoke has cleared

 

[Gabriel]

Sad days for navy, hope small boat with anti ship launcher still operatinal

 

[ToddE]

Perhaps some error was made by whoever painted that picture of the naval units
IRIS Taftan and IRIS Noor Kilo Sub in the dry dock, namely:
The Taftan frigate had been under construction for a long time in a completely different location, namely in the shipyard north of Bandar Abbas, and if I'm not mistaken, it hadn't yet been launched.
While the Kilo-class submarine, I'm told, was removed from this dry dock some time ago.
Perhaps it's best to wait for photos when the smoke has cleared

You were so right my friend, we should have made 20 More Mowj class frigates. I was so wrong about investing same money in attack subs.

 

[sahureka2]

You were so right my friend, we should have made 20 More Mowj class frigates. I was so wrong about investing same money in attack subs.

The theory of small steps: it's unheard of for a nation that had never built warships to start building attack submarines first.
First, you build the simplest thing, the Sina-class FAC, thanks to your experience with the Kaman class.
Then you try to build a larger ship, and the Moudge class was designed thanks to the knowledge gained with the Alvand class and even more so thanks to the reconstruction of the Sabalan 73.
In the meantime, you can focus on midget submarines, and the DPRK has helped.
For ocean-going submarines, the way forward was to purchase the Kilo-class/Project 877 submarine from Russia, with which you gained experience.
This experience, combined with the production of the Ghadir class, then led to a step up in domestic production with the Fateh-class coastal submarines.
So, you can then move on to the next step:Build destroyers for surface ships and then consider having an attack submarine.
But how do you get an attack submarine?Actually, what do you mean by attack submarine?
1) conventionally powered like a Kilo class, of which Iran has 3 in the first version of Project 877E. Perhaps they could have done like Vietnam and bought 3+3 of the Improved Kilo/Project 633.3 type with the ability to launch missiles from TLS.
2) you mean nuclear-powered. In this case, the option was to do like India, which leased an attack submarine from Russia in 2012 for 10 years at a cost of approximately $1 billion for an Akula class/Project 971 Shchuka-B, Displacement 8,140 tonnes surfaced.Length 112 m.
3) If, however, you mean a conventionally or nuclear-powered submarine with the ability to launch ballistic missiles, things get even more difficult, because no one will rent or sell it to you, except that in the early 1990s, the North Korean method was followed, acquiring Scrap some old Soviet Golf-class submarines and learn how to reverse engineer them.
But in any case, it took the DPRK about three decades to build the first experimental conventionally powered submarine capable of launching a single SLBM missile.
So in theory, everything is easy; in reality, the project is more complete.In any case, Iran had no intention of building 20 Moudge-class light frigates, and I never predicted it either.
I have always written that in reality, there is no Moudge class, but ships that used the same hull as a basis, and that each new ship was to be considered a prototype that evolved with the experience gained from using the first units built and with the growth of the Iranian military industry of armaments, electronics, and engines.
Then, if in a crisis and risk of war, you keep all your ships in port and they are hit and sunk, it's not the fault of the quality of construction or the weapons installed, but of whoever ordered them to dock.In this sad, no-fight end to the Iranian fleet, the only bright spot is that it was probably easier to save the crews with the ships in port than if they sank in the open sea in a naval battle.

 

[Immortals]

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[Immortals]

You were so right my friend, we should have made 20 More Mowj class frigates. I was so wrong about investing same money in attack subs.

The 20 Ghadir subs did nothing like I suspected.

Not sure iran could hope to match USA - a 100 year submarine power.

Even the only working Kilo wasn’t taken to sea.

 

[FUB]

The 20 Ghadir subs did nothing like I suspected.

Not sure iran could hope to match USA - a 100 year submarine power.

Even the only working Kilo wasn’t taken to sea.

The naval war has not started.

 

[ToddE]

The 20 Ghadir subs did nothing like I suspected.

Not sure iran could hope to match USA - a 100 year submarine power.

Even the only working Kilo wasn’t taken to sea.

In what world, Ghadir is an "attack sub" ? or you somehow hoped it will fill the role of one?

Submarine "years" mean nothing otherwise Israeli Navy should bundle up their program of having dozen attack subs by 2030. They started having first one barely 2-2.5 decades ago.

 

[ToddE]

The theory of small steps: it's unheard of for a nation that had never built warships to start building attack submarines first.
First, you build the simplest thing, the Sina-class FAC, thanks to your experience with the Kaman class.
Then you try to build a larger ship, and the Moudge class was designed thanks to the knowledge gained with the Alvand class and even more so thanks to the reconstruction of the Sabalan 73.
In the meantime, you can focus on midget submarines, and the DPRK has helped.
For ocean-going submarines, the way forward was to purchase the Kilo-class/Project 877 submarine from Russia, with which you gained experience.
This experience, combined with the production of the Ghadir class, then led to a step up in domestic production with the Fateh-class coastal submarines.
So, you can then move on to the next step:Build destroyers for surface ships and then consider having an attack submarine.
But how do you get an attack submarine?Actually, what do you mean by attack submarine?
1) conventionally powered like a Kilo class, of which Iran has 3 in the first version of Project 877E. Perhaps they could have done like Vietnam and bought 3+3 of the Improved Kilo/Project 633.3 type with the ability to launch missiles from TLS.
2) you mean nuclear-powered. In this case, the option was to do like India, which leased an attack submarine from Russia in 2012 for 10 years at a cost of approximately $1 billion for an Akula class/Project 971 Shchuka-B, Displacement 8,140 tonnes surfaced.Length 112 m.
3) If, however, you mean a conventionally or nuclear-powered submarine with the ability to launch ballistic missiles, things get even more difficult, because no one will rent or sell it to you, except that in the early 1990s, the North Korean method was followed, acquiring Scrap some old Soviet Golf-class submarines and learn how to reverse engineer them.
But in any case, it took the DPRK about three decades to build the first experimental conventionally powered submarine capable of launching a single SLBM missile.
So in theory, everything is easy; in reality, the project is more complete.In any case, Iran had no intention of building 20 Moudge-class light frigates, and I never predicted it either.
I have always written that in reality, there is no Moudge class, but ships that used the same hull as a basis, and that each new ship was to be considered a prototype that evolved with the experience gained from using the first units built and with the growth of the Iranian military industry of armaments, electronics, and engines.
Then, if in a crisis and risk of war, you keep all your ships in port and they are hit and sunk, it's not the fault of the quality of construction or the weapons installed, but of whoever ordered them to dock.In this sad, no-fight end to the Iranian fleet, the only bright spot is that it was probably easier to save the crews with the ships in port than if they sank in the open sea in a naval battle.

Mowjs, Converted FOBs ate money like termites. The same money should have gone to creating fleet of Fateh-I (2-3) then Fateh-II a proper Ocean attack/hunter killer type. All got delayed becasue of focus on Mowj corvettes and useless Forward Ocean bases.

 

[sahureka2]

Mowjs, Converted FOBs ate money like termites. The same money should have gone to creating fleet of Fateh-I (2-3) then Fateh-II a proper Ocean attack/hunter killer type. All got delayed becasue of focus on Mowj corvettes and useless Forward Ocean bases.

An analysis of Iran's budget legislation and military structure reveals that the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC) receives significantly more funding and resources than the Iranian Armed Forces (Army, Air Force, and Navy). In the 2025 budget, the state allocated over 311 trillion tomans (approximately $6 billion) to the IRGC, approximately 1.8 times more than the 177 trillion tomans (approximately $3.4 billion) allocated to the regular army.
Since 2016, the IRGC's base budget has consistently been 1.5 to 3 times higher than that of the regular armed forces. Therefore, the regular armed forces struggle to innovate with limited funding, while the IRGC has excelled at innovation.

 

[Immortals]

In what world, Ghadir is an "attack sub" ? or you somehow hoped it will fill the role of one?

It was suited for the Persian Gulf and yes only had low armament (2 torpedo slots) but could still wreck havoc if it hit a ship.

Remember Ukraine sunk Russia’s Black Sea flagship with just 2 Neptune Anti ship missiles.

Expecting Iran to build multiple SLBM capable submarines would be unrealistic. They struggled with the Fateh. And also Iranian shipyards are some of the slowest in the world.

A single Chinese drydock builds 4 destroyers at the same time. A single Iranian dry dock couldn’t repair Kilo submarines after years of outcomnission. They gave dry docks building carriers side by side. They are true naval shipbuilder.

Not sure how Iran could build what you wanted on a reasonable timeline.

Submarine "years" mean nothing otherwise Israeli Navy should bundle up their program of having dozen attack subs by 2030. They started having first one barely 2-2.5 decades ago.

Experience means a lot. And the Israeli submarine fleet was built by the Germans — another great 100 year submarine nation.

The Germans and American trained the Israelis.

Who is training the Iranians? Who is building state of the art subs for iran? Iran didn’t even trust Russia with repairing the Kilo submarines because Russia asked for them to be sent to their dry docks.