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[Hack-Hook]

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its frustrating , we have this , its not IRGC project its defense ministry and still navy ships get manned gun

 

[Hack-Hook]

What's the reason one cannot double stack the Noor canisters? Seems like an easy way to double firepower. Is it a weight problem?

you can't really made a comment on that unless you knew the weight of each compartment of the ship

 

[strkyer1982]

its frustrating , we have this , its not IRGC project its defense ministry and still navy ships get manned gun

I think on the top part of the gun, theirs a circular lens. Looks like a Camera lens.

 

[tsunset]

its frustrating , we have this , its not IRGC project its defense ministry and still navy ships get manned gun

Tell us how the hell is this a manned gun, it looks like 2-2.50meters high with no grip, unless you are Hercules i don't see how a man can control this with his arms

There is some sort of camera on top of it on the front

 

[tsunset]

its frustrating , we have this , its not IRGC project its defense ministry and still navy ships get manned gun

By using measuring software and theorems with 10% of error margin, i calculated that the turret measures 1.5meters height, do not be fouled by this image as he is standing on the top far from the right turret


This turret has no grips and have a camera on top left of it, this is not a 7mm minigun that are operated on Chinooks etc

The weight of it should be 290-350 pounds (170kg), this would require a seat for the operator if this was manned, the seat would have to be bent underneath the turret so that the the operator carries his weight on the turret, the operator would be blind and shoot randomly while spinning himself and the turret, it would also need a lever to spin the turret unless you can carry 150kg

It would resemble to this but with the turret straight instead of elevated and the operator bent like this for shooting forward, and in reversal position for shooting at the air, so ridiculous and impossible, the turret is not manually operated.

 

[sahureka2]

what will be under those structures that I highlighted.....VLS missiles?

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the dilemma remains VLS or are they chimneys exhausting engine fumes, or?

 

[muhammed45]

IRGCN's predators

 

[Hack-Hook]

I think on the top part of the gun, theirs a circular lens. Looks like a Camera lens.

Tell us how the hell is this a manned gun, it looks like 2-2.50meters high with no grip, unless you are Hercules i don't see how a man can control this with his arms

There is some sort of camera on top of it on the front

honestly , did you guys read my post .
this ship is not a navy ship its an irgc ship
this gun is produced by defense ministry its remote controlled , its stabilized you see it on IRGC ship but you don't see it on deylaman which supposed to be the latest navy ship this is what you see on deylaman

2x 12.7mm Heavy Machine Guns (HMGs) as if you can hit shit with those while the ship moving and rocking due to waves
or if anybody ever managed to hit anything by these 20mm Oerlikon auto-cannon dinosaurs
the gun literally designed and fielded before WW2 and is supposed to be used like this

not just by 1-2 of them
Moudge have enough room for 8 extra short range air-defense missile and they just limit the airdefence to 4x mehrab/Sayyad and hope this monstrosity called Oerlikon 20 mm solve lack of enough defensive weapons
instead of ripping all those from our ships and replace them with same turreted gun and several short range air-defense missile launcher like the one is on Abu-mahdi Mohandis ctamaran they waste it on this useless gun.
all the offensive the ship needs can be provided by Fajr-27 auto cannon and its 4x/8x anti-ship launcher

 

[Flotilla]

Let me make some extrapolations of this ship;

1.- Considerably smaller and has no wave-piercing bow like Soleimaini class. Another feature it is the very low freeboard in comparison with Soleimani class. So, in my oppinion it is not designed to operate out of the Persian Gulf, because those features makes it no that seaworthy like Soleimani (more oceanic).

2.- Designation. It is designed PC-313 instead of FS-313 of Solemaini class. So that seems a hint about the real profile mission of the ship. It is a patrol ship, not a frigate as suggest his name.

3.- No air defense. Kowsar missile (which has not been tested in any drill AFAIK) seems a natural evolution of the Almas missile (IR/TV guidance) but the lenght of the canister it is too short and the size too thick to think in a fast SHORAD/VSHORAD missile like AD08 Majid or even Misagh 1/2. Moreover, there is no presence or even space for a small air control radar like Soleimaini class.

4.- Seems to have a continous radar wave antenna rear and over of the "S" and "X" navigation radar system. That suggest that the automatic gun system on the bow are radar guided, making it the first real CIWS system in the IRGCN ships. Moreover that gun seems to be a copy (where the hell IRGC got this???) of a Rheinmetall Lance 30mm turret... with airburst munition, which makes it very good against incoming threats like missiles, drones or helicopters... and much more advanced that the Kamand system.

Seems that this ship will operate inside PG, it is heavily armed for her size and can operate comfortably under the protection of the long range air defense systems. It seems to fit perfectly inside the doctrine of A2/AD of the IRGCN. But in any case, you can count only with one ship. Instead of 4 confirmed Soleimaini class corvettes. So you can guess what is the real interest of IRGC Navy (operating out of the PG).

 

[jauk]

What's the reason one cannot double stack the Noor canisters? Seems like an easy way to double firepower. Is it a weight problem?

I see no reason they can’t be stacked at least one more row. Of course they can. But I don’t understand you question (hint).

 

[tsunset]

honestly , did you guys read my post .
this ship is not a navy ship its an irgc ship
this gun is produced by defense ministry its remote controlled , its stabilized you see it on IRGC ship but you don't see it on deylaman which supposed to be the latest navy ship this is what you see on deylaman
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2x 12.7mm Heavy Machine Guns (HMGs) as if you can hit shit with those while the ship moving and rocking due to waves
or if anybody ever managed to hit anything by these 20mm Oerlikon auto-cannon dinosaurs
the gun literally designed and fielded before WW2 and is supposed to be used like this

not just by 1-2 of them
Moudge have enough room for 8 extra short range air-defense missile and they just limit the airdefence to 4x mehrab/Sayyad and hope this monstrosity called Oerlikon 20 mm solve lack of enough defensive weapons
instead of ripping all those from our ships and replace them with same turreted gun and several short range air-defense missile launcher like the one is on Abu-mahdi Mohandis ctamaran they waste it on this useless gun.
all the offensive the ship needs can be provided by Fajr-27 auto cannon and its 4x/8x anti-ship launcher

You quoted this cannon

Oerlikon 20 mm

It is way enough to maul pirate boats

EDIT you could have been more clear by comparing it to IRIN navy

 

[Hack-Hook]

You quoted this cannon
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It is way enough to maul pirate boats

EDIT you could have been more clear by comparing it to IRIN navy

I think i clearly said

its frustrating , we have this , its not IRGC project its defense ministry and still navy ships get manned gun

also i compared this gun with both 2x 12.7mm Heavy Machine Guns (HMGs)and 2x Oerlikon 20 mm gun if they remove those 4 useless gun they have space enough for 6 even more of this remote controlled machine gun which are a lot more useful than those Dinosaurs that even can't be used at night
and you think those WW2 gun can do shit against fast boats ? then look at this.

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[tsunset]

I think i clearly said

also i compared this gun with both 2x 12.7mm Heavy Machine Guns (HMGs)and 2x Oerlikon 20 mm gun if they remove those 4 useless gun they have space enough for 6 even more of this remote controlled machine gun which are a lot more useful than those Dinosaurs that even can't be used at night
and you think those WW2 gun can do shit against fast boats ? then look at this.

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Of course they can damage boats and all navy uses manned guns, look at the US/British navies, they also operate manned guns on their warships, warning shots, pirate boats, two bullets land on them and it explode/sinks, how will you do warning shots with auto turrets?

So i don't know what you are suggesting to replace all manned guns with automatic guns, this makes no sense

They can be used at night with simple optics on them, unless Iran is operating the WW2 turret without anything else on it

Modern Oerlikon is still manned





Besides Oerlikon there is 23mm Qasef (mounted on Shahid Soleimani)

 

[Hack-Hook]

Modern Oerlikon is still manned

same shit in new clothes and modern ships tend to use these

Besides Oerlikon there is 23mm Qasef (mounted on Shahid Soleimani)

this is on shahid suleymani ship which is not stabilized at least Abumahdi al-muhandis ship get a remote controlled gun but still it is an IRGC ships , the complaint was about navy ships

 

[Mehdipersian]

Shahid abu mahdi warship