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IRGC continues to innovate vs IRIN

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as always money rules

 

[Immortals]

as always money rules

Establishing an EO/IO optic Gatling gun linked to radar as well isn’t some back breaking costly feature.

The issue is IRIN continues playing around 1970 ship design just like IRIAF continues to play around 1960 aircraft design.

IRGC meanwhile is apply much more recent designs to their naval element. Maybe one day they announce a CAS plane. I vaguely remember an announcement years ago that IRGC had begun designing a CAS plane. This was after seeing how effective Russian Air Force was in Syria backing up IRGC and its foreign legions alongside NDF during the war,

 

[Hack-Hook]

Establishing an EO/IO optic Gatling gun linked to radar as well isn’t some back breaking costly feature.

sometimes you don't have the money for Bandari and have to eat Falafel.

The issue is IRIN continues playing around 1970 ship design just like IRIAF continues to play around 1960 aircraft design.

the ship design is a program of 30 years ago that stretched out because of lack of money and
they have more modern design but they don't have the money for it

IRGC meanwhile is apply much more recent designs to their naval element. Maybe one day they announce a CAS plane. I vaguely remember an announcement years ago that IRGC had begun designing a CAS plane. This was after seeing how effective Russian Air Force was in Syria backing up IRGC and its foreign legions alongside NDF during the war,

As always money rules.

 

[Immortals]

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Why is this being protected by Alvand and not also a Solemani vessel?

Iran assumes since it’s parked off the coast to a Chinese military base that US won’t risk striking inside the air identification zone of the base. It is still possible that a sabatoge drone attack is done with plausible deniability.

 

[Flotilla]

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Why is this being protected by Alvand and not also a Solemani vessel?

Iran assumes since it’s parked off the coast to a Chinese military base that US won’t risk striking inside the air identification zone of the base. It is still possible that a sabatoge drone attack is done with plausible deniability.

IRGN it is considered a "terrorist organization" by US Navy. Deploying any vessel of IRGN at that place it can be considered a unnecessary escalation by Iran. IRIN is considered a conventional and "professional" navy by the US.

It is wise (IMHO) just keep a "low profile". Solemani vessels can be deployed after further escalation by the western countries.

Anyway seems that just one vessel it is operative. It will take maybe another year to have another with AAW capability and trained crew.

 

[tsunset]

IRGN it is considered a "terrorist organization" by US Navy. Deploying any vessel of IRGN at that place it can be considered a unnecessary escalation by Iran. IRIN is considered a conventional and "professional" navy by the US.

It is wise (IMHO) just keep a "low profile". Solemani vessels can be deployed after further escalation by the western countries.

Anyway seems that just one vessel it is operative. It will take maybe another year to have another with AAW capability and trained crew.

IRGCN and USN met hundreds of times, yet they do not take any action on what they perceive as a "terrorist organization operating in international waters"

Doing such an act such as obvious drone strikes or airstrike seeking to sink/kill crew members or any IRGCN ship is as a major escalation, declaration of war

And also, this is not like a single Soleimani class ship that would protect it from a massive airstrike or drone attacks

If this would happen the targets would be by using everything but warships against the US, not going first head into their comfortable zone of combat

 

[Immortals]

And also, this is not like a single Soleimani class ship that would protect it from a massive airstrike or drone attacks

My point is that Alvand class are largely outdated and not suited for air defense role against the type of threat used agains these floating bases which namely small diameter cruises missiles and small suicidal drones.

One floating base was already struck in past couple years by a suspected Israeli suicide drone.

Solemani vessel on the other hand is more geared to short range threats and has many automated CWIS as well as VLS to intercept these threats.

 

[AmirIGM]

The Soleimani class are catamarans with a displacement of about 600 tons. I'm not sure how they would fare in the waters of the Red Sea/Bab-el Mandeb but it's possible the Alvand class would do better.

IRIN ideally would have finished building all their Mowj ships a few years ago. They have no problem building the hulls but it seems electronics take years to be delivered by SAIRAN. Given IRGC's ground and ship-based radar deployments, I believe this is another budget issue. Lack of budget is slowing down and holding back Artesh in so many different areas.

Anyway, here's a recent image of the "Zagros" (aka Tala'iyeh/Shiraz) intelligence-gathering ship being built on the Mowj-class hull. Wonder if it will take over the Behshad role when it enters service (God knows when that'll be).

 

[Immortals]

The Soleimani class are catamarans with a displacement of about 600 tons. I'm not sure how they would fare in the waters of the Red Sea/Bab-el Mandeb but it's possible the Alvand class would do better.

Considering UAE had their catamaran in Yemen waters during the war when it was struck by a Houthi suicide boat leads to me believe there is zero problem in those waters. Catamarans are stable ships and Beshad is a floating oil tanker and can replenish Solemani class ships.

Anyway, here's a recent image of the "Zagros" (aka Tala'iyeh/Shiraz) intelligence-gathering ship being built on the Mowj-class hull. Wonder if it will take over the Behshad role when it enters service (God knows when that'll be).

Unlikely IRIN would get involved in this shadow war. Beshad is a IRGC SIGINT vessel that specializes in coordinating black ops and Quds force operations as well as providing targeting data to Houthi rebels.

I just don’t see IRGC trusting IRIN with that responsibility or IRIN getting involved and making themselves a legitimate target by US/Israel. Rules of Engagement are limited to IRGC and it’s affiliates not national military of Iran.

Attack on IRGC = shadow war and allowed
Attack on Artesh = possible declaration of war and significant escalation

 

[AmirIGM]

Considering UAE had their catamaran in Yemen waters during the war when it was struck by a Houthi suicide boat leads to me believe there is zero problem in those waters. Catamarans are stable ships and Beshad is a floating oil tanker and can replenish Solemani class ships.

You mean the HSV-2, which is a much larger vessel. But I see your point.

Unlikely IRIN would get involved in this shadow war

Except that the Alborz is currently escorting the Behshad but I again see your point. It's true that the Behshad conducts a variety of ops, not just intel.

I do think the Zagros would still be useful in this conflict and others like it. American, British, and other ships are blasting the electronic spectrum right now, bet there would be useful intelligence to gather there.

By the way, it's good to see @sahureka2 here

 

[Hack-Hook]

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Why is this being protected by Alvand and not also a Solemani vessel?

Iran assumes since it’s parked off the coast to a Chinese military base that US won’t risk striking inside the air identification zone of the base. It is still possible that a sabatoge drone attack is done with plausible deniability.

and you believe if USA want to sink it a single suleimani corvette can protect it ?

first build a battle group of them and then give them protection duty against strongest navy in middle east . if you have noticed iran have sent asset there that it feel it can toleratre their loss .
a vosper, 56 year old frigate that practically have zero antisubmarine or anti air capability and only can protect itself against sumalian pirates , well if they attack on daylight in a calm sea.
and behshad probably Iran can replace it easier than a Peykaap-II boat

 

[Hack-Hook]

The Soleimani class are catamarans with a displacement of about 600 tons. I'm not sure how they would fare in the waters of the Red Sea/Bab-el Mandeb but it's possible the Alvand class would do better.

IRIN ideally would have finished building all their Mowj ships a few years ago. They have no problem building the hulls but it seems electronics take years to be delivered by SAIRAN. Given IRGC's ground and ship-based radar deployments, I believe this is another budget issue. Lack of budget is slowing down and holding back Artesh in so many different areas.

Anyway, here's a recent image of the "Zagros" (aka Tala'iyeh/Shiraz) intelligence-gathering ship being built on the Mowj-class hull. Wonder if it will take over the Behshad role when it enters service (God knows when that'll be).

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zagross for long term mission needs a supply ship beside it , my guess zagros , will be used for shorter missions , when things get heated up in a region and they need more detailed data

 

[Immortals]

You mean the HSV-2, which is a much larger vessel. But I see your point.

Except that the Alborz is currently escorting the Behshad but I again see your point. It's true that the Behshad conducts a variety of ops, not just intel.

Yes, IRGC is using it as a human shield. Daring the US to break ROE. Also Iran’s FOB’s have gotten escorts ever since one of them was hit by Israel. Again….the attacks stopped.

and you believe if USA want to sink it a single suleimani corvette can protect it ?

I believe you can make it harder to strike the ship if you have a ship dedicated to small cruise missile or drone attack.

The question isn’t could USAF or USN sink two ancient ships (design). It’s can they do it in a plausible denial manner to avoid escalation.

Same applied for Solemani assassination, ROE said that they wouldn’t violate the unwritten rules, but never lacked the capability to do so. Nonetheless, Iran Opsec still took precautions, but US didn’t take plausible deniable route it went the overt route. And you saw the ensuing exchange because of that.

Iran for its part moved into Chinese air defense zone and identification waters to play it safe.

a vosper, 56 year old frigate that practically have zero antisubmarine or anti air capability and only can protect itself against sumalian pirates

Thanks for making my point.

 

[Hack-Hook]

The question isn’t could USAF or USN sink two ancient ships (design). It’s can they do it in a plausible denial manner to avoid escalation.

if they want to do it with a plausible denial way they do it just like how they attacked saviz or use a torpedo.
or just one of their titanium hulled subs surface somewhere they must not surface and claim it was accident and they didn't seen our ship.

Thanks for making my point.

in short something expendable.

by the way don't cut the must important part of the post.

a vosper, 56 year old frigate that practically have zero antisubmarine or anti air capability and only can protect itself against sumalian pirates, well if they attack on daylight in a calm sea.

 

[tsunset]

if they want to do it with a plausible denial way they do it just like how they attacked saviz or use a torpedo.
or just one of their titanium hulled subs surface somewhere they must not surface and claim it was accident and they didn't seen our ship.

in short something expendable.

by the way don't cut the must important part of the post.

a vosper, 56 year old frigate that practically have zero antisubmarine or anti air capability and only can protect itself against sumalian pirates, well if they attack on daylight in a calm sea.

and only can protect itself against sumalian pirates, well if they attack on daylight in a calm sea.

You made me laugh for one minute straight

How many times should we explain you that the Oerlikons have thermal imaging and night optics

There is no WW2 era parts installed on any of those ships besides your claim that Iran use the below version of Oerlikon 20mm, Iran uses post 60s Oerlikon with optics, you are going to tell us that Somalian pirates will destroy the ship in night time by shooting an RPG at the warship?

And I'm still waiting for your video showing USN/British navy having trouble using them and hitting something, four bullets at your Somali boat and its over, they are sitting ducks